From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jun 24 09:45:02 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, June 24 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3103 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: F250 Diesel 4x4? fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? fsj: wjs, trailers, towing capacity of a 300D? fsj: solution from so cal big tank FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:32:50 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: F250 Diesel 4x4? It must be the F350 I'm thinking of then (with Dana 60 front) It's currently the most sought after axle upgrade by most 4wheelers. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:28:24 -0700 > From: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: F250 Diesel 4x4? > > Until the new super duties came out (1999), there was no such thing as a > factory diesel F-250 with a straight axle. The main problem with the > twin traction beam is that most alignment shops cannot figure out how to align > them properly. They also came from the factory undersprung for the diesels, > and there is a documented fix for that which not a lot of owners did. > > The powerstroke is still an international engine. 1994.5 was the start of the > first generation powerstroke. It gained an intercooler for 1999 and the ZF > five speed was replaced by a ZF six speed, and the 1999.5 model year had a > change to the turbo that netted a little more power. > > Having an aftermarket turbo doesn't appreciably raise the price of the truck > for resale. The 1993 turbo diesel was a (basically) one year only turbo added > to the 7.3IDI (with a few internal changes as well) to hold over until the > direct injected powerstroke was available. > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 09:37:11AM -0700, Jim Blair wrote: > > Make sure you get a solid front axle! The TTB (Twin Traction Beam, sort of a > > scissored axle) doesn't seem to do too well with the twisting power of the > > diesel engines. Some early years (up to '91 IIRC) had issues with frame > > cracking (at least the E series vans did. My buddy up in Chilliwack BC had it > > happen to the van I swapped the motor from into a '91) Ford also changed from > > the IH series diesels (6.9 and 7.3L) to their own Powerstroke. Turbo and > > non-turbo models make a price/fuel economy difference. > > The E4OD transmission (auto overdrive) has issues, mostly fixable with a > > computer update by a shop knowledgeable in them (like Sea-Tac transmission > > here in S Seattle) After I did the motor swap (which I plan to NOT do again in > > a van!) I brought the van down to them and they dialed it in (fuel economy > > coming down was 17 mpg and going back it was closer to 25) > > The Power Stroke setup is computer controlled and the earlier IH motor was > > mostly mechanical (for simplicity) I didn't know about the differences when I > > started the swap. Luckily they were both IH motors. > > > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:05:38 -0700 > > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > > To: > > > Subject: fsj: F250 Diesel 4x4? > > > > > > when I was in boise I saw a ford f250 extended cab > > > with a short box... it didn't look like a freight train... > > > not sure of the wheelbase or width... but was wondering > > > if anyone knew anything about the Diesels in the Fords from > > > say '90 and up... looked on craigslist and saw a large > > > range of prices... > > > > > > my Diesel Grand Wagoneer project is almost there... a/c > > > cruise and vibration issue... but when I'm there I still > > > have an old vehicle with body damage and will continue > > > to experience the legacy of AMC quality. :) > > > > > > if an F250 has decent ride and quality, and good economy > > > with the Diesel... I'd consider selling both the Grand Cherokee > > > and the Grand Wagoneer and just having an F250 4x4 Diesel and > > > my '91 300D. > > > > > > so now, let's hear the horror stories of the ford Diesels and suspension... > > :) _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_062008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:45:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? I think his was a 7.3... larger tires and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... but still, that's horrible... that and my wife refuses to part with the grand cherokee (wj)... guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll only be my grand wag that goes... the adventure continues... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # This is my primary reason for sticking with an IDI. # You can build very nice IDIs. I'd get an early '94 # with factory turbo, put in the larger downpipe and go! # # Or get a Cummins! # # ;) # # Jim # # > Biggest problem I see with you having a powerstroke # > of that vintage is that the injectors are $250-300 # > each, and with ford issuing bulletins not # recommending # > biodiesel (much less SVO/WVO) in higher # concentrations # > than 5% or so, I wouldn't consider a first gen # > powerstroke for an alternative fuels vehicle. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:33:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? so what year extended cab, SHORT box F250 Diesel 4x4 would I want to get to run wvo/bioD and Diesel? my Grand Wagoneer gets 16 in town and 24 on the freeway... not much sense in moving to an F250 if it doesn't get at least 18 in town... the other unresolved issue with the ride comfort... remaining issues on my GW: a/c wiring, cruise control cable bracket, engine vibration reduction via stock mounts... maybe new carpeting... that little bantam jeep trailer seems to still be available, that might be handy for moving wvo around... need to call the guy... would my 300D be able to tow a 600lb trailer with maybe another 300lbs of wvo in it? 1,000lbs??? would a TDI be able to tow it? :) sounds like a possible solution to the oil movement problem... :) appreciate the wisdom of the list... you guys are fantastic. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # There's something wrong with his. He should be getting more like 13/18-16/22 # city/freeway. Then again, his could be suffering from a bad case of "lead foot # syndrome." 8^) Those powerchokes will suck the fuel down FAST with your foot # on the floor. # # If you want to fool with the fuel though, DO AVOID the PowerChoke diesels. # They are fussy and expensive. The pre-powerchoke 7.3 turbo was a much less # fussy engine. Actually, the normally-aspirated version wasn't bad. I've driven # 2, and am actually very deeply involved with one right now (moving....) and # it's not the dog most people think NA diesels are. # # And the 6.9 was great, but they stopped making that in the 80s. # # J # # -- john wrote: # saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the # guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? # I think his was a 7.3... larger tires # and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... # but still, that's horrible... # # that and my wife refuses to part with the grand # cherokee (wj)... # # guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll # only be my grand wag that goes... # # the adventure continues... # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # # # This is my primary reason for sticking with an IDI. # # You can build very nice IDIs. I'd get an early '94 # # with factory turbo, put in the larger downpipe and go! # # # # Or get a Cummins! # # # # ;) # # # # Jim # # # # > Biggest problem I see with you having a powerstroke # # > of that vintage is that the injectors are $250-300 # # > each, and with ford issuing bulletins not # # recommending # # > biodiesel (much less SVO/WVO) in higher # # concentrations # # > than 5% or so, I wouldn't consider a first gen # # > powerstroke for an alternative fuels vehicle. # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:38:28 -0700 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? My wife won't part with hers either, unless it's for a Mini. I've been trying to get my wife to trade the WJ in for a 7.3L Excursion, but she doesn't want anything to do with it. I've been hauling a 6K lb trailer on the weekends with the WJ for the last few months. I've put trailer brakes, and air bags in it. It works, but it still sways a bit. Joe Hughes Everett, WA 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Current DD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:45 AM To: Jim Hoffman Cc: diesel-benz list; full size jeep list; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? I think his was a 7.3... larger tires and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... but still, that's horrible... that and my wife refuses to part with the grand cherokee (wj)... guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll only be my grand wag that goes... the adventure continues... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # This is my primary reason for sticking with an IDI. # You can build very nice IDIs. I'd get an early '94 # with factory turbo, put in the larger downpipe and go! # # Or get a Cummins! # # ;) # # Jim # # > Biggest problem I see with you having a powerstroke # > of that vintage is that the injectors are $250-300 # > each, and with ford issuing bulletins not # recommending # > biodiesel (much less SVO/WVO) in higher # concentrations # > than 5% or so, I wouldn't consider a first gen # > powerstroke for an alternative fuels vehicle. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:47:35 -0700 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? Have you looked into a Cummins powered Dodge? The bottom ends in those motors are bullet proof. The first gens are all mechanical and it's not uncommon to get 20-30% more power by turning some screws on the pump. They're probably a little better MPG than the 7.3L, but not much. Joe Hughes Everett, WA 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:34 AM To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com Cc: full size jeep list; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; diesel-benz list Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? so what year extended cab, SHORT box F250 Diesel 4x4 would I want to get to run wvo/bioD and Diesel? my Grand Wagoneer gets 16 in town and 24 on the freeway... not much sense in moving to an F250 if it doesn't get at least 18 in town... the other unresolved issue with the ride comfort... remaining issues on my GW: a/c wiring, cruise control cable bracket, engine vibration reduction via stock mounts... maybe new carpeting... that little bantam jeep trailer seems to still be available, that might be handy for moving wvo around... need to call the guy... would my 300D be able to tow a 600lb trailer with maybe another 300lbs of wvo in it? 1,000lbs??? would a TDI be able to tow it? :) sounds like a possible solution to the oil movement problem... :) appreciate the wisdom of the list... you guys are fantastic. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # There's something wrong with his. He should be getting more like 13/18-16/22 # city/freeway. Then again, his could be suffering from a bad case of "lead foot # syndrome." 8^) Those powerchokes will suck the fuel down FAST with your foot # on the floor. # # If you want to fool with the fuel though, DO AVOID the PowerChoke diesels. # They are fussy and expensive. The pre-powerchoke 7.3 turbo was a much less # fussy engine. Actually, the normally-aspirated version wasn't bad. I've driven # 2, and am actually very deeply involved with one right now (moving....) and # it's not the dog most people think NA diesels are. # # And the 6.9 was great, but they stopped making that in the 80s. # # J # # -- john wrote: # saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the # guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? # I think his was a 7.3... larger tires # and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... # but still, that's horrible... # # that and my wife refuses to part with the grand # cherokee (wj)... # # guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll # only be my grand wag that goes... # # the adventure continues... # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # # # This is my primary reason for sticking with an IDI. # # You can build very nice IDIs. I'd get an early '94 # # with factory turbo, put in the larger downpipe and go! # # # # Or get a Cummins! # # # # ;) # # # # Jim # # # # > Biggest problem I see with you having a powerstroke # # > of that vintage is that the injectors are $250-300 # # > each, and with ford issuing bulletins not # # recommending # # > biodiesel (much less SVO/WVO) in higher # # concentrations # # > than 5% or so, I wouldn't consider a first gen # # > powerstroke for an alternative fuels vehicle. # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: wjs, trailers, towing capacity of a 300D? the WJs are fantastic... chrysler really screwed up with the WK. looking for a pair of tan heated leather seats out of a Limited WJ - 99-04... I've towed around 8K behind my wj... 2,000lb trailer with 2+ yards of gravel... it has surge brakes, but they're broke. :) Towed the panel and the grand wag behind the WJ... had the panel a bit too far back on a very large equipment trailer, it was a little spooky... the grand wag was on a uhaul car trailer, better distribution, felt much better. thinking of getting an old bantam trailer for hauling wvo around... I'm wondering what my '91 300D is capable of towing... those old bantams are around 600lbs empty... found a whole nest of them at MM 3 on I-84 at the Idaho Motor Pool. they want too much for them though. :) john snohomish, wa 91 grand wag 6.2 - DD 16/24 91 300D 2.5L TD - wife is driving 30/35+ 99 wj laredo 4.7 - interstate cruiser/family snow machine 15/~20 83 j10 no engine right now - had 4.2 ~15-17 75 j10 -hydraulic dump trailer 67 j100 panel - holding for son's graduation from college (he actually started!) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # My wife won't part with hers either, unless it's for a Mini. I've been # trying to get my wife to trade the WJ in for a 7.3L Excursion, but she # doesn't want anything to do with it. # # I've been hauling a 6K lb trailer on the weekends with the WJ for the last # few months. I've put trailer brakes, and air bags in it. It works, but it # still sways a bit. # # Joe Hughes # Everett, WA # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Current DD # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:45 AM # To: Jim Hoffman # Cc: diesel-benz list; full size jeep list; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net # Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? # # saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the # guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? # I think his was a 7.3... larger tires # and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... # but still, that's horrible... # # that and my wife refuses to part with the grand # cherokee (wj)... # # guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll # only be my grand wag that goes... # # the adventure continues... # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # # # This is my primary reason for sticking with an IDI. # # You can build very nice IDIs. I'd get an early '94 # # with factory turbo, put in the larger downpipe and go! # # # # Or get a Cummins! # # # # ;) # # # # Jim # # # # > Biggest problem I see with you having a powerstroke # # > of that vintage is that the injectors are $250-300 # # > each, and with ford issuing bulletins not # # recommending # # > biodiesel (much less SVO/WVO) in higher # # concentrations # # > than 5% or so, I wouldn't consider a first gen # # > powerstroke for an alternative fuels vehicle. # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:41:18 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: fsj: solution from so cal big tank $2.50 a gal for gas so of the border. (in the Wall Street J).... people are starting to put big tanks and drive south for the weekend.... I wonder about the waiting in line to come back. Solution: put a big hose accross the border Michel > From: joe-at-j-hughes.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:47:35 -0700 > > Have you looked into a Cummins powered Dodge? The bottom ends in those > motors are bullet proof. The first gens are all mechanical and it's not > uncommon to get 20-30% more power by turning some screws on the pump. > > They're probably a little better MPG than the 7.3L, but not much. > > Joe Hughes > Everett, WA > 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis > 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:34 AM > To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > Cc: full size jeep list; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; diesel-benz list > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? > > so what year extended cab, SHORT box F250 Diesel 4x4 > would I want to get to run wvo/bioD and Diesel? > > my Grand Wagoneer gets 16 in town and 24 on the freeway... not > much sense in moving to an F250 if it doesn't get at least 18 in > town... > > the other unresolved issue with the ride comfort... > > remaining issues on my GW: a/c wiring, cruise control cable bracket, > engine vibration reduction via stock mounts... maybe new carpeting... > > that little bantam jeep trailer seems to still be available, that > might be handy for moving wvo around... need to call the guy... > > would my 300D be able to tow a 600lb trailer with maybe another > 300lbs of wvo in it? 1,000lbs??? > > would a TDI be able to tow it? :) > > sounds like a possible solution to the oil movement problem... :) > > appreciate the wisdom of the list... you guys are fantastic. > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > # There's something wrong with his. He should be getting more like > 13/18-16/22 > # city/freeway. Then again, his could be suffering from a bad case of "lead > foot > # syndrome." 8^) Those powerchokes will suck the fuel down FAST with your > foot > # on the floor. > # > # If you want to fool with the fuel though, DO AVOID the PowerChoke > diesels. > # They are fussy and expensive. The pre-powerchoke 7.3 turbo was a much > less > # fussy engine. Actually, the normally-aspirated version wasn't bad. I've > driven > # 2, and am actually very deeply involved with one right now (moving....) > and > # it's not the dog most people think NA diesels are. > # > # And the 6.9 was great, but they stopped making that in the 80s. > # > # J > # > # -- john wrote: > # saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the > # guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? > # I think his was a 7.3... larger tires > # and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... > # but still, that's horrible... > # > # that and my wife refuses to part with the grand > # cherokee (wj)... > # > # guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll > # only be my grand wag that goes... > # > # the adventure continues... > # > # ----- > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > # > # # This is my primary reason for sticking with an IDI. > # # You can build very nice IDIs. I'd get an early '94 > # # with factory turbo, put in the larger downpipe and go! > # # > # # Or get a Cummins! > # # > # # ;) > # # > # # Jim > # # > # # > Biggest problem I see with you having a powerstroke > # # > of that vintage is that the injectors are $250-300 > # # > each, and with ford issuing bulletins not > # # recommending > # # > biodiesel (much less SVO/WVO) in higher > # # concentrations > # # > than 5% or so, I wouldn't consider a first gen > # # > powerstroke for an alternative fuels vehicle. > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i^Rm Talkathon. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3103 **************************