From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 14 19:48:00 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, July 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3121 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures fsj: 6.5 in a stock vehicle, or 6.2 in a custom? RE: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures fsj: A/C parts assist fsj: Re: [db] W124 Torture Test Re: fsj: A/C parts assist fsj: 83 J10 (not mine!) RE: fsj: Re: [db] W124 Torture Test fsj: FW: An open letter to all airline customers (fwd) fsj: adventures with bioDiesel fsj: Re: xj: Re: Cruise Control RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Cruise Control fsj: Re: A/C parts assist FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures spent Saturday morning replacing the fuel shutoff solenoid on my 6.2L Diesel... doing much better... (replaced the fuel line Thurs eve, still need to get Viton or similar to deal with BioDiesel)... pictures of the process, and possible location for fuel heater, and just some nice pix of the GW. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/FuelSolenoid-12July2008/ Then, Saturday evening, I replaced the window regulator in the driver's door of the '91 300D (124 series). Not nearly as easy, or as much fun as the Injection pump work. ;) http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/WindowRegulator/ other pictures: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-12-Snohomish-Omega/ john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: 6.5 in a stock vehicle, or 6.2 in a custom? ran across a nice clean '94 blazer with a 6.5L TD... problem is the fuel economy in town is the same as my '91 Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel, but my GW gets nearly 24 on the freeway... ;( the benefits of the '94 Blazer is a better tailgate design, smoother ride, quieter, and it's all stock... and been converted for biodiesel... the fact it's a better driving vehicle is tempting, but the economy isn't there... need list intervention... either telling me why a 6.5L TD in a completely stock vehicle in good shape is better than a custom frankenstein one-off nutcase-mobile... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:21:44 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures I was checking into fuel lines for Biodiesel. Found out they need to be different from regular diesel hoses. Napa doesn't carry anything correct for it, but they are looking into it. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:53 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures > > spent Saturday morning replacing the fuel shutoff solenoid > on my 6.2L Diesel... doing much better... (replaced the fuel > line Thurs eve, still need to get Viton or similar to deal > with BioDiesel)... > > pictures of the process, and possible location for fuel heater, > and just some nice pix of the GW. > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/FuelSolenoid-12July2008/ > > Then, Saturday evening, I replaced the window regulator in the > driver's door of the '91 300D (124 series). Not nearly as easy, > or as much fun as the Injection pump work. ;) > > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/WindowRegulator/ > > other pictures: > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-12-Snohomish-Omega/ > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:04:41 -0400 From: JeepNut Subject: fsj: A/C parts assist Hi all, I need to replace the service valves on my York compressor in the XJ. Yes it is a York. I don't like those junk Sanden compressors. Had too many fail. Or maybe I've just had this XJ for so long it SEEMS like I've replaced a lot of them... in any case...when I did the custom A/C work, I had them use an SJ compressor and valve set and have been happier with the A/C than in many years. But the old valves are now leaky. My shade-tree A/C guy can pump me up, but doesn't source parts. I found a great website, with lotsa valves, but not sure which ones are right. John should like the name of the place... http://www.omega-usa.com/client/images/Fittings.pdf So who knows WHICH valves are stock standard on an SJ of the mid-80's flavor? Thanks in advance! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] W124 Torture Test oh... how tragic... I had to pause it after she took the baseball bat to it... will try to watch later... what a beautiful vehicle... looks like a wagon version of shadowfax... :( ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Jon Filina wrote: # Y'All! # # The following is not diesel related, but is MB: # # Part 1 # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZjzqT-iT4s # # Part 2 # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRKhKKdXIl4&feature=related # # # Part 3 # # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn19Qj5jtf4 # # Part 4-Final # # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTedyrdAzV0&feature=related # # # Unbelievable! The problem with the sunroof in part 2 is funny-water and # electrics don't mix. # # # It's hard to watch.... And, I would have liked to snag the manual climate # control... # # # Enjoy, if you can! # # # Jon # # '95 E300 Diesel 234000 mi. # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: A/C parts assist the fittings compressor items look familiar... 35-10046-18 #10 o-ring to flare with 1/4 backseat valve... the 35-18283 may have worked on the GM compressor on my 6.2 setup. I had a custom adapter made that used the Jeep compressor valves and then an extension hose... the compressor on the 6.2 is on the DS, on the jeep it's on the PS... you can see the valves in this picture: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/FuelSolenoid-12July2008/replace-solenoid/cruise-setup.jpg john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: # Hi all, # I need to replace the service valves on my York compressor in the XJ. # Yes it is a York. I don't like those junk Sanden compressors. Had # too many fail. Or maybe I've just had this XJ for so long it SEEMS like # I've replaced a lot of them... in any case...when I did the custom A/C # work, I had them use an SJ compressor and valve set and have been # happier with the A/C than in many years. # But the old valves are now leaky. My shade-tree A/C guy can pump me # up, but doesn't source parts. # # I found a great website, with lotsa valves, but not sure which ones # are right. # John should like the name of the place... # http://www.omega-usa.com/client/images/Fittings.pdf # # So who knows WHICH valves are stock standard on an SJ of the mid-80's # flavor? # Thanks in advance! # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:58:41 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: 83 J10 (not mine!) 83 jeep j10 ________________________________ built for father in law, but he never drives or finished lil stuff. New AT w/converter, L6 w/webber out of newer jeep(serpentine belt setup),PS, tilt, aftermarket pwr locks, rear slider and best of all no rust thru! Light blue with some surface rust(could use paint),wht spokes with nice 31's. Can be daily driven as is, but needs a lil attention finishing wiring. Pics will be posted on craigslist soon. At inlaws in Renton. My number 253 638-2418 their number 425 255-7505 $999 obo no trades sorry i'm finishing up a 74 V8 j10 for them now. http://www.nw-wheelers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=436729 _________________________________________________________________ The i^Rm Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:44:14 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] W124 Torture Test love the last bit with the tnt. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:30:01 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jon.filina-at-sbcglobal.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] W124 Torture Test > > oh... how tragic... I had to pause it after she took the baseball bat > to it... will try to watch later... what a beautiful vehicle... looks > like a wagon version of shadowfax... :( > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Jon Filina wrote: > > # Y'All! > # > # The following is not diesel related, but is MB: > # > # Part 1 > # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZjzqT-iT4s > # > # Part 2 > # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRKhKKdXIl4&feature=related > # > # > # Part 3 > # > # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn19Qj5jtf4 > # > # Part 4-Final > # > # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTedyrdAzV0&feature=related > # > # > # Unbelievable! The problem with the sunroof in part 2 is funny-water and > # electrics don't mix. > # > # > # It's hard to watch.... And, I would have liked to snag the manual climate > # control... > # > # > # Enjoy, if you can! > # > # > # Jon > # > # '95 E300 Diesel 234000 mi. > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: FW: An open letter to all airline customers (fwd) Interesting....... got this from a friend in the aerospace industry... ________________________________ From: United [mailto:email-at-info.united.com] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: An open letter to all airline customers Planning & booking http://www.unitedoffers.com/600-1sape/101391/235992/c56d00d3506cc7949233835802bf5302 Itineraries & check-in http://www.unitedoffers.com/600-1sape/101392/235992/c56d00d3506cc7949233835802bf5302 Mileage Plus(r) http://www.unitedoffers.com/600-1sape/101393/235992/c56d00d3506cc7949233835802bf5302 Services & information http://www.unitedoffers.com/600-1sape/101394/235992/c56d00d3506cc7949233835802bf5302 Airplane http://www.unitedoffers.com/600-1sape/101395/235992/c56d00d3506cc7949233835802bf5302 An open letter to all airline customers Dear Mr. X (name removed) Last week, crude oil hit an all-time high of $146, and the skyrocketing cost of fuel is impacting our customers, our employees, the communities we serve, and the economy as a whole. United, and the majority of other major U.S. airlines, are asking our most loyal customers to join us in pushing for legislation to add more transparency and disclosure in the oil markets. Please see the attached open letter from the leaders of the U.S. airline industry. Airline An Open letter to All Airline Customers: Our country is facing a possible sharp economic downturn because of skyrocketing oil and fuel prices, but by pulling together, we can all do something to help now. For airlines, ultra-expensive fuel means thousands of lost jobs and severe reductions in air service to both large and small communities. To the broader economy, oil prices mean slower activity and widespread economic pain. This pain can be alleviated, and that is why we are taking the extraordinary step of writing this joint letter to our customers. Since high oil prices are partly a response to normal market forces, the nation needs to focus on increased energy supplies and conservation. However, there is another side to this story because normal market forces are being dangerously amplified by poorly regulated market speculation. Twenty years ago, 21 percent of oil contracts were purchased by speculators who trade oil on paper with no intention of ever taking delivery. Today, oil speculators purchase 66 percent of all oil futures contracts, and that reflects just the transactions that are known. Speculators buy up large amounts of oil and then sell it to each other again and again. A barrel of oil may trade 20-plus times before it is delivered and used; the price goes up with each trade and consumers pick up the final tab. Some market experts estimate that current prices reflect as much as $30 to $60 per barrel in unnecessary speculative costs. Over seventy years ago, Congress established regulations to control excessive, largely unchecked market speculation and manipulation. However, over the past two decades, these regulatory limits have been weakened or removed. We believe that restoring and enforcing these limits, along with several other modest measures, will provide more disclosure, transparency and sound market oversight. Together, these reforms will help cool the over-heated oil market and permit the economy to prosper. The nation needs to pull together to reform the oil markets and solve this growing problem. We need your help. Get more information and contact Congress by visiting www.StopOilSpeculationNow.com http://www.unitedoffers.com/600-1sape/101395/235992/c56d00d3506cc7949233835802bf5302 . Robert Fornaro Chairman, President and CEO AirTran Airways Bill Ayer Chairman, President and CEO Alaska Airlines, Inc. Gerard J. Arpey Chairman, President and CEO American Airlines, Inc. Lawrence W. Kellner Chairman and CEO Continental Airlines, Inc. Richard Anderson CEO Delta Air Lines, Inc. Mark B. Dunkerley President and CEO Hawaiian Airlines, Inc. Dave Barger CEO JetBlue Airways Corporation Timothy E. Hoeksema Chairman, President and CEO Midwest Airlines Douglas M. Steenland President and CEO Northwest Airlines, Inc. Gary Kelly Chairman and CEO Southwest Airlines Co. Glenn F. Tilton Chairman, President and CEO United Airlines, Inc. Douglas Parker Chairman and CEO US Airways Group, Inc. SOS http://www.unitedoffers.com/600-1sape/101395/235992/c56d00d3506cc7949233835802bf5302 http://www.united.com/page/article/0,8566,1249,00.html To contact the sender, write to: United Airlines Operations Center - WHQPW, 1200 E. Algonquin Rd., Elk Grove Township, Illinois 60007 USA (c) 2008 United Air Lines, Inc. All rights reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: adventures with bioDiesel On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ernest breakfield wrote: # i've found this 'concern' over BioD affecting fuel lines to be highly (rest of the thread below...) it's a real concern for me... with dual tanks and yards of fuel line... :) my first trouble came on my '91 300D... had to replace all the high pressure seal o-rings... then the fuel heater o-ring in line, after that it's been fine. on my 6.2L Diesel I've replaced the section of rubber line from the primary filter to the lift pump three times now... and the short rubber section to the return line to the tank once... AND, the fuel cutoff solenoid... It might not bother a 240D, a masterpiece of simplicity and elegance, but it sure as heck bothers the rest of the Diesels. ;) (My son's '85 300D seems to be ok with the little bit he's run through his... so far.) but, I concur with you, no need to worry until the fuel is dripping or things seize up... no point in fixing something that ain't broke. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ernest breakfield wrote: # i've found this 'concern' over BioD affecting fuel lines to be highly # overstated; 50+K miles on almost exclusively BioDiesel over the last 4.5 # years in the old 300D, and we're still looking for any hint of a reason # to replace them. (i watch them like i would any fuel line in any 20+ # year old vehicle, but i have no idea how old they were when i got the # car, either,...) # many people here in the fleet where i buy my BioD have had the same # experience after a few million collective miles on B100; and since fuel # line failure isn't catastrophic (but is preceded by much advance # warning), i'd say don't worry about it until you have an indication that # there's a need for it. # # # cheers! # e # # # Jim Blair wrote: # > I was checking into fuel lines for Biodiesel. Found out they need to be # > different from regular diesel hoses. Napa doesn't carry anything correct for # > it, but they are looking into it. # > # > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # > # > # >> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:53 -0700 # >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com # >> To: # >> Subject: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures # >> # >> spent Saturday morning replacing the fuel shutoff solenoid # >> on my 6.2L Diesel... doing much better... (replaced the fuel # >> line Thurs eve, still need to get Viton or similar to deal # >> with BioDiesel)... # >> # >> pictures of the process, and possible location for fuel heater, # >> and just some nice pix of the GW. # >> # >> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/FuelSolenoid-12July2008/ # >> # >> Then, Saturday evening, I replaced the window regulator in the # >> driver's door of the '91 300D (124 series). Not nearly as easy, # >> or as much fun as the Injection pump work. ;) # >> # >> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/WindowRegulator/ # >> # >> other pictures: # >> # >> http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-12-Snohomish-Omega/ # >> # >> john # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:16:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Cruise Control remove the seat???? say what? to check the brake pedal???? As a mechanic's apprentice in the early '70's the old, very overweight mechanic taught me a very useful trick for getting his rather large frame under the dash to do such work... you basically sit in the seat upside down... head on the floor, back on the seat, butt against the chair back, legs over the top of the seat (if they reach. ;) Now we must all realize that the Admiral is not like the rest of us... he's not vertically challenged, but even he would fit in the seat upside down, especially if he could open the sunroof. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Colucci B wrote: # -If the system still does not work, let's take a look under the dash on the # drivers side. (Remove the driver's seat- it will make this part of the # project so much easier. Check the wiring on the brake petal. Are all of the # connectors there, clean, and tight. Has any other wiring like trailer brake # wiring been spliced into the brake petal switch. If there is wiring that has # been added, remove it, and mark it so you can attach it later once the cruise # is working. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:19:46 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Cruise Control I used to do that "skinny me" but the 74 has an oversized steering wheel... so the neck of the mechanic is in the way, the 85 on the other has a smaller steering wheel. cheers Michel > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:16:16 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; s.sliedrecht8-at-upcmail.nl > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Cruise Control > > remove the seat???? > > say what? to check the brake pedal???? > > As a mechanic's apprentice in the early '70's the old, very overweight mechanic > taught me a very useful trick for getting his rather large frame under the > dash to do such work... > > you basically sit in the seat upside down... head on the floor, back > on the seat, butt against the chair back, legs over the top of the > seat (if they reach. ;) > > Now we must all realize that the Admiral is not like the rest of us... > he's not vertically challenged, but even he would fit in the seat > upside down, especially if he could open the sunroof. ;) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Colucci B wrote: > # -If the system still does not work, let's take a look under the dash on the > # drivers side. (Remove the driver's seat- it will make this part of the > # project so much easier. Check the wiring on the brake petal. Are all of the > # connectors there, clean, and tight. Has any other wiring like trailer brake > # wiring been spliced into the brake petal switch. If there is wiring that has > # been added, remove it, and mark it so you can attach it later once the cruise > # is working. > # _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:49:23 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: A/C parts assist um... have you tried the Jeep dealership? i know, i avoid them at all costs, too, but..... ;) Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JeepNut" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: fsj: A/C parts assist > Hi all, > I need to replace the service valves on my York compressor in the XJ. > Yes it is a York. I don't like those junk Sanden compressors. Had > too many fail. Or maybe I've just had this XJ for so long it SEEMS like > I've replaced a lot of them... in any case...when I did the custom A/C > work, I had them use an SJ compressor and valve set and have been > happier with the A/C than in many years. > But the old valves are now leaky. My shade-tree A/C guy can pump me > up, but doesn't source parts. > > I found a great website, with lotsa valves, but not sure which ones > are right. > John should like the name of the place... > http://www.omega-usa.com/client/images/Fittings.pdf > > So who knows WHICH valves are stock standard on an SJ of the mid-80's > flavor? > Thanks in advance! ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3121 **************************