From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jul 16 08:26:38 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, July 16 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3124 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag RE: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag Re: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag RE: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag fsj: Best laid plans and vehicles plus parts for sale RE: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag RE: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. RE: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. RE: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag shouldn't have to. just a crazy thought, maybe you could jack up one side of the vehicle so all the fluid sloshes over to the other side... that switch most likely is above the fluid line... the fluid should NOT be above the pan gasket... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, michel balea wrote: # Do i need to remove some trany fluid to replace the Neutral safety switch. I # used the UV dye and ithas shown some glow around the area, 195 Kmiles, owned # for the last 8k. Did a trany fluid flush after purchase. This think has leaked # from any seal you can list. # # # Or do i have to remove the front driveshaft to make the job easier? # # Still dripping somewhere above/side of the Tcase, after a 6 week standing # time, the cardboard was soaked. # # # # Thanks # # # # Michel # # # # # # # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Making the world a better place one message at a time. # http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:07:48 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag Thanks, there is a big halo of fluorescent dye around the NSS. Impossible to take picts. After i cleaned up the big oily area to bare metal, I ran the engine for a minute and shifted into all gears to make sure pressure builds up. The shifter area looks OK, as yesterday am.... time to go for a dive at nite... it will be easier to see the dye. While inspecting, i found that the balance weight on the driveshaft did a number on the trany pan/flange, it is missing a little chunk: about 1/4 x 1/4", and it seems to be happening sometimes. The part is not covered w grease and it is rusted, like the shaft is rubbing on the trany pan? I am putting a pict at http://picasaweb.google.com/jeepmr/FSJ/photo#5223426408759143810 After inspection, the only trany mount at the midline bolted to center X member piece was hanging loose... I bolted it back in tight (1/2"). One more surprise of the $250 wagoneer. Cheers Michel > Subject: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:33:47 -0700 > From: landon.tesar-at-freescale.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > > The top shifter seal is really bad when it goes... > > - L > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > michel balea > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:27 PM > To: fsj digest > Subject: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag > > Do i need to remove some trany fluid to replace the Neutral safety > switch. I > used the UV dye and ithas shown some glow around the area, 195 Kmiles, > owned > for the last 8k. Did a trany fluid flush after purchase. This think has > leaked > from any seal you can list. > > > Or do i have to remove the front driveshaft to make the job easier? > > Still dripping somewhere above/side of the Tcase, after a 6 week > standing > time, the cardboard was soaked. > > > > Thanks > > > > Michel > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace _________________________________________________________________ The i^Rm Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:51:58 -0400 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag It's been a while since I messed with the tranny but I clearly recall that mine is exactly the same. Just the very edge of one corner of the pan is eaten up by that weight just exactly like the pic shows. Several years ago I tried loosening various bolts and pushing things over slightly with light touch on a prybar, then retightened things and I haven't noticed progressive damage. And no noises that I can attribute to that contact, so I guess it was OK... I've added 6" lift and dropped the xfer case 2" in the rear to take out driveline vibrations. (No way I can afford the correct driveshaft...) Talk about a tight spec during engineering.... sheesh. Especially for a vehicle built to be driven in the rough... michel balea wrote: > Thanks, there is a big halo of fluorescent dye around the NSS. Impossible to > take picts. After i cleaned up the big oily area to bare metal, I ran the > engine for a minute and shifted into all gears to make sure pressure builds > up. > > The shifter area looks OK, as yesterday am.... time to go for a dive at > nite... it will be easier to see the dye. > > While inspecting, i found that the balance weight on the driveshaft did a > number on the trany pan/flange, it is missing a little chunk: about 1/4 x > 1/4", and it seems to be happening sometimes. The part is not covered w > grease and it is rusted, like the shaft is rubbing on the trany pan? > > I am putting a pict at > > http://picasaweb.google.com/jeepmr/FSJ/photo#5223426408759143810 > > After inspection, the only trany mount at the midline bolted to center X > member piece was hanging loose... I bolted it back in tight (1/2"). > > One more surprise of the $250 wagoneer. > > Cheers > > Michel > > > > >> Subject: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag >> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:33:47 -0700 >> From: landon.tesar-at-freescale.com >> To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net >> >> The top shifter seal is really bad when it goes... >> >> - L >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of >> michel balea >> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:27 PM >> To: fsj digest >> Subject: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag >> >> Do i need to remove some trany fluid to replace the Neutral safety >> switch. I >> used the UV dye and ithas shown some glow around the area, 195 Kmiles, >> owned >> for the last 8k. Did a trany fluid flush after purchase. This think has >> leaked >> from any seal you can list. >> >> >> Or do i have to remove the front driveshaft to make the job easier? >> >> Still dripping somewhere above/side of the Tcase, after a 6 week >> standing >> time, the cardboard was soaked. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Michel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Making the world a better place one message at a time. >> http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The i^Rm Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:52:09 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag The O ring is probably bad. New switch is pretty cheap too, but not as cheap as an Oring (if it's not a cracked switch) Same switch used from -at-'66 on Mopar 727 and 9XX trans till RWD and now the Overdrive variants of the earlier trans till '02 anyways. (at least in the B series vans) When my trans and motor mounts were loose on Elmo and the J4000, I had the knocking noise on RH corners from the weight touching the pan. Went away after the re-tighten. The bad motor/trans mounts in my '82 Spirit caused my ujoints to shred in less than a year! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > From: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > To: landon.tesar-at-freescale.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:07:48 +0000 > > Thanks, there is a big halo of fluorescent dye around the NSS. Impossible to > take picts. After i cleaned up the big oily area to bare metal, I ran the > engine for a minute and shifted into all gears to make sure pressure builds > up. > > The shifter area looks OK, as yesterday am.... time to go for a dive at > nite... it will be easier to see the dye. > > While inspecting, i found that the balance weight on the driveshaft did a > number on the trany pan/flange, it is missing a little chunk: about 1/4 x > 1/4", and it seems to be happening sometimes. The part is not covered w > grease and it is rusted, like the shaft is rubbing on the trany pan? > > I am putting a pict at > > http://picasaweb.google.com/jeepmr/FSJ/photo#5223426408759143810 > > After inspection, the only trany mount at the midline bolted to center X > member piece was hanging loose... I bolted it back in tight (1/2"). > > One more surprise of the $250 wagoneer. > > Cheers > > Michel > > > >> Subject: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag >> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:33:47 -0700 >> From: landon.tesar-at-freescale.com >> To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net >> >> The top shifter seal is really bad when it goes... >> >> - L >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of >> michel balea >> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:27 PM >> To: fsj digest >> Subject: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag >> >> Do i need to remove some trany fluid to replace the Neutral safety >> switch. I >> used the UV dye and ithas shown some glow around the area, 195 Kmiles, >> owned >> for the last 8k. Did a trany fluid flush after purchase. This think has >> leaked >> from any seal you can list. >> >> >> Or do i have to remove the front driveshaft to make the job easier? >> >> Still dripping somewhere above/side of the Tcase, after a 6 week >> standing >> time, the cardboard was soaked. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Michel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Making the world a better place one message at a time. >> http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace > > _________________________________________________________________ > The i^Rm Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:18:21 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: Best laid plans and vehicles plus parts for sale For those of you wondering "why the heck did I get this?" I'm cc'ing those who might be interested as well as the lists I'm on. Thanks to the fuel price increase, my plans have changed considerably (at least until I get an LPG rig finished) I just picked up a '94 YJ tank tonight to use as a template to do my EFI conversion on both my '82 Spirit and new to me '79 DJ (ex-postal Jeep, then converted to Ice Cream truck for awhile, and now about to become 4x4 and daily driver ) Just for fun, I have been thinking about re-motoring my DJ. Since it already has the Audi 2.0L (same one used in Gremlins of the same vintage) I also found out that the motor was used in Porsche 924 and I found a pair of turbo rigs for $500 for the pair. That got me thinking a turbo 4 cyl with O/D auto would be good for fuel economy as a daily driver. (probably better than the almost 20 mpg my '87 4.0L Comanche was getting) I have already posted my '86 Longbox for sale, and I've been thinking about posting the '87 shortbox for $2,000 (it's almost finished the auto/4x4 conversion. Just need to do the dash to column shift and hook up the cooling lines and a couple more wires) I figure I can keep whichever I don't sell for hauling small stuff. I'll have a '76 J10 finished soon for hauling my 5th wheel around (not that it's going far very soon) with a 304/727/NP208D (from a Dodge Ramcharger for RH drop) and J20 axles with low, low gears. (I'll have to add an O/D later for freeway cruising) I have my '84 J10 to still build for fun and power. That will leave me several vehicles and numerous parts to sell. I have my '73 J4000 almost ready to get rid of (rolled it last year and have been slowly picking it apart to build the '76. Rest goes for scrap next monday) I have an '83 J10 longbox with 4.2L, AW4 (I converted it before breaking my rib in the rollover in the J4000) NP208 and I have a D60 rear (from the J4000, but originally from a '76 J20 I downgraded to a J10) and matching front brakes from a J20 axle. (my '84 J10 and '76 j10 shortbox have J20 axles too. Do you sense a trend? ) I have a '68 IH Travelall that I traded Brian (BMax) the '82 Spirit for (which was his before but he couldn't get it running right due to massive rust in the tank and DSPO syndrome and typical AMC idiosyncrasies that took me several months to fix as they broke. All except the front seats that is! Hopefully by the time he gets back from AK, I will have the 2wd AW4 and EFI put in the Spirit) I think he paid -at-$1500 for it (right before gas prices jumped up) and it does consume a fair bit of gas. At least it now gets double digit fuel economy (I figured -at-14 mpg towing my little trailer in warm weather) but it needs some work to make it better. Thermostat would be first (and retorque the head as the tech manual for the BG241 6 cyl says should be done every 40,000 miles) It has a T86? 4 speed (granny low) with divorced NP202 tcase. The axles are D44 front and rear with 4.10 ratio (it has a positrac tag on the rear. I just changed the diff oils in it and put the correct stuff in, which made it handle better) The steering is sloppy (due to bad tierods and pulling brakes) I have lots of pics of it and it could be a really nice rig if someone with ability took the time to fix it up. I have a Farm truck '69 IH Loadstar 1800 18' dumping flatbed with 392, 5 speed, Eaton or Rockwell 2 speed rear axle (may be 3 speed. Tag inside the cab offers both setups for this rig) I've driven it around my place (the power steering is nice!) but the brake pedal is zero (haven't checked fluid level yet) I plan to use it as an anchor to haul down some uber sized trees so they don't hit my cabin when I cut them. Then it will be up for $1,000 obo. The '81 Chev C20 with 454/TH400 will be up for $800 as soon as I pull the 5th wheel setup out for my '76 shortbox (which is getting the J4000's springs and the overloads from the '76 J20 that axle came from originally) I'll have the Model 20 from the '83 J10 for sale (less than 100,000 miles) for $150. I think it's 3.31 geared (4.2L T5 NP208 originally) I've yakked enough for now. Will post a parts list soon. Wanted: CJ7 widetrack axles with -at- 3.54 or lower gears to put in my DJ. _________________________________________________________________ The i^Rm Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:27:02 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag IIRC, 1 quart comes out when you pull it. (or it could be Chev TH400 I'm thinking of) Don't have access to my ATRA manuals right now or I'd find out (slowly getting all that stuff organized) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:18:54 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag > > shouldn't have to. > > just a crazy thought, maybe you could jack up one side of the vehicle so > all the fluid sloshes over to the other side... that switch most > likely is above the fluid line... the fluid should NOT be above the > pan gasket... > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, michel balea wrote: > > # Do i need to remove some trany fluid to replace the Neutral safety switch. I > # used the UV dye and ithas shown some glow around the area, 195 Kmiles, owned > # for the last 8k. Did a trany fluid flush after purchase. This think has leaked > # from any seal you can list. > # > # > # Or do i have to remove the front driveshaft to make the job easier? > # > # Still dripping somewhere above/side of the Tcase, after a 6 week standing > # time, the cardboard was soaked. > # > # > # > # Thanks > # > # > # > # Michel > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Making the world a better place one message at a time. > # http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace > # _________________________________________________________________ It^Rs a talkathon ^V but it^Rs not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:34:08 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. Happened in Texas. The vehicle driver and passenger climbed out the other side with just a couple bruises. He was traveling faster than you might think. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:43:52 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com > CC: xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Jaydog1971/?action=view¤t=camera 21.flv > > > So, Jim, what's the full story on this? where was this? > > > ...did the guy survive???? that truck just collapsed like an aluminum can... > > didn't they use rebar in those columns??? flimsy construction of the trailer, > truck AND the building... > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:17:48 -0700 From: "Paul and Megan Kershner" Subject: RE: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. It was NOT a gas station. In fact it was a bank - note the plastic tube for transporting your money/checks. If it was a gas station, the roof would have been higher ans likely, built to different safety standards so this type of thing would not happen. But it does present comic relief... pk - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Blair Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:34 PM To: john; Jim Blair Cc: xj-list; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; full size jeep list Subject: RE: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. Happened in Texas. The vehicle driver and passenger climbed out the other side with just a couple bruises. He was traveling faster than you might think. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:43:52 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com > CC: xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Jaydog1971/?action=view¤t=camer a 21.flv > > > So, Jim, what's the full story on this? where was this? > > > ...did the guy survive???? that truck just collapsed like an aluminum can... > > didn't they use rebar in those columns??? flimsy construction of the trailer, > truck AND the building... > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. the "rest of the story" is much more interesting than the snippet of info that Jim sent out... ;) it would be much more interesting if we could gather all the facts about stuff like this before sharing... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Paul and Megan Kershner wrote: # It was NOT a gas station. In fact it was a bank - note the plastic tube for # transporting your money/checks. If it was a gas station, the roof would # have been higher ans likely, built to different safety standards so this # type of thing would not happen. # # But it does present comic relief... # # pk # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim # Blair # Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:34 PM # To: john; Jim Blair # Cc: xj-list; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; full size jeep list # Subject: RE: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. # # Happened in Texas. The vehicle driver and passenger climbed out the other # side # with just a couple bruises. He was traveling faster than you might think. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:43:52 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; # fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck. # > # > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Jaydog1971/?action=view¤t=camer # a # 21.flv # > # > # > So, Jim, what's the full story on this? where was this? # > # > # > ...did the guy survive???? that truck just collapsed like an aluminum # can... # > # > didn't they use rebar in those columns??? flimsy construction of the # trailer, # > truck AND the building... # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # _________________________________________________________________ # Making the world a better place one message at a time. # http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3124 **************************