From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jul 20 13:19:56 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, July 20 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3130 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: a/c info RE: fsj: tailgate fsj: a/c working as designed! fsj: np228 prefers neutral, but we wqmade it home... :) fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:00:58 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: a/c info Thank you for doing all the leg work. A/C less from the very beginning on the 74. So I left at 6 am to cross the valley while the temp is still below 75..... made it in time to higher elevation... 94 and rising. it went to 104 yesterday. Sill a lot of smoke from those butte fires. I did some search on the 85.... at some point the inside fan was working.... bypassing the switch never did anything... of course there is probably no media in the system, I will have to change all those hardened and leaky hoses, plus the dryer/receiver.... this will be my next skill to do the A/C after i do the NSS.... manana. Cheers Michel - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:51:20 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: thejeepnut-at-sbcglobal.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: a/c info > > I wonder if I need a tailgate switch fixed... my tailgate > only works with the key in the back, not from the dash... > > well... sometimes it'll go down... but not up from the dash, > but not always... > > first, getting the a/c working without a manual switch > for the compressor, need to locate that module: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning/ > > then the cruise control... :) > > then a custom heated fuel tank for WVO. :) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: > > # yep, btdt, but I think I've got the R12 valves. I've been working too > # much this week to have checked, but may get to this weekend between > # pulling a heater core on the SJ, and installing a fixed radiator, then > # the dreaded new tailgate switch and a wedding to attend.... whoever > # arranged this working concept got it backward. We should work 2 days > # and play 5.... > # > # > # john wrote: > #> hey jeep nut, weren't you looking for info like THIS: > #> > #> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tom_Collins-oljeep.com/oljeep.com/gw/ac/edge_ac.html #4 > #> > #> ----- > #> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > #> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: tailgate actually, I think the schematics can be trusted... I just got back from olympic 4x4 with the a/c module... and everything works! :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, michel balea wrote: # # # On the 85,the tailgate glass goes down from inside and up from outside only. # # I am working on testing it... at least i have 12v in an out of the dash connector at the tailgate..... but i ran out of the right size bullet connector to test the other connector... what a mess, between the timer for the tailgate window defroster... and as John mentioned the inaccuracy of the wiring schematics.... it is hard to find out what goes to where. I have the wires but the wrong colors.... The 74 is so much easier to test -and it only failed when the quick connect on the motor rusted. # # Michel # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:00:52 -0400 # > From: thejeepnut-at-sbcglobal.net # > To: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: a/c info # > # > Mine's goofy but exactly opposite. Only works from the dash now. But # > I've had the tailgate apart oh SO many times over the years, and fiddled # > with the switch in the last year or two, making one "good" one from old # > broken ones. It was intermittant at the tailgate, but the paddle has # > come out of the housing again I'm sure and it doesn't work at all # > anymore. I just bought a new one and a switch for the dash too just for # > good measure...plastic stuff just doesn't last forever. It bends, # > distorts, dries out and gets brittle, and eventually the assy (rocker # > switch, paddle switch, etc) gets so far out of tolerance it falls apart # > or just breaks. Much like the door-glass tracks... # > BJ's has the switches. Hopefully you won't need the rear one...($) # > # > john wrote: # >> I wonder if I need a tailgate switch fixed... my tailgate # >> only works with the key in the back, not from the dash... # >> # >> well... sometimes it'll go down... but not up from the dash, # >> but not always... # >> # >> first, getting the a/c working without a manual switch # >> for the compressor, need to locate that module: # >> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning/ # >> # >> then the cruise control... :) # >> # >> then a custom heated fuel tank for WVO. :) # >> # >> ----- # >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # >> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # >> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # >> # >> # >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: # >> # >> # yep, btdt, but I think I've got the R12 valves. I've been working too # >> # much this week to have checked, but may get to this weekend between # >> # pulling a heater core on the SJ, and installing a fixed radiator, then # >> # the dreaded new tailgate switch and a wedding to attend.... whoever # >> # arranged this working concept got it backward. We should work 2 days # >> # and play 5.... # >> # # >> # # >> # john wrote: # >> #> hey jeep nut, weren't you looking for info like THIS: # >> #> # >> #> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tom_Collins-oljeep.com/oljeep.com/gw/ac/edge_ac.html#4 # >> #> # >> #> ----- # >> #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # >> #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # >> #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # >> #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # >> #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # >> # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. # http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: a/c working as designed! just got back from olympic 4x4... picked up an a/c module ($10), plugged it in and after replacing the wire I had there that jim removed, it all worked as designed... so I used jim's relay for a set of harbor freight air horns... :) heading out for a road test now... whoo hoo... a/c... NEXT, cruise... need to find out what happened to the jeep connector, since the gm servo is $227 I'm going back to try to make the jeep unit work... if it doesn't, then the aftermarket unit recommended by a few folks... I even cleaned the top of the steering column off and replaced a missing screw... what a great day. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: np228 prefers neutral, but we wqmade it home... :) heading up to mt.vernon at 70 mph, decided to step on it and let the trans kick down and just "clean out the injectors" a bit... well... the transfer case decided it was going to shift into neutral... rolled off of I-5, got it into 4wd low and managed to convince the xfr case that 4wd high was ok... got to the nursery and fiddled with the lever in the parking lot, called a buddy in eastern washington (and a few others), he mentioned an issue with his xfr case, something about a detent and a spring... his xfr case isn't the same model, or year... but that got me thinking, so I crawled underneath and found the bracket holding the shifter setup was extremely loose... tightened it up with a 9/16" wrench and drove it almost all the way home... 2miles out it acted up again... limped home in 4wd low... gear whine to the max at 20mph... changed clothes, heading underneath again... :( oh, the a/c worked PERFECTLY. :) next, cruise... well, after I fix the xfr case and a few rattles... ;) two steps forward, one backward... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 looks like I'm going to drop the NP219 in tomorrow... unless my friend comes up with a quick fix for the linkage tomorrow... I tighened bolts, went up to the store and it worked great, until I got into the driveway... popped out again... the 219 has a lockup 4wd high mode that I prefer... can get home with a broken driveshaft that way... :) not that I'm planning on breaking any mind you. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:22:04 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 Didn't you swap the input gear of the tcase to 27 spline? Or did you have the trans swapped to 23 spline? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:18:12 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 > > looks like I'm going to drop the NP219 in tomorrow... unless my > friend comes up with a quick fix for the linkage tomorrow... I tighened > bolts, went up to the store and it worked great, until I got into the driveway... > popped out again... > > the 219 has a lockup 4wd high mode that I prefer... can get home with a broken > driveshaft that way... :) not that I'm planning on breaking any mind you. ;) > > john > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 no, adapter mates up with no shaft change. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # Didn't you swap the input gear of the tcase to 27 spline? Or did you have the trans swapped to 23 spline? # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:18:12 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 # > # > looks like I'm going to drop the NP219 in tomorrow... unless my # > friend comes up with a quick fix for the linkage tomorrow... I tighened # > bolts, went up to the store and it worked great, until I got into the driveway... # > popped out again... # > # > the 219 has a lockup 4wd high mode that I prefer... can get home with a broken # > driveshaft that way... :) not that I'm planning on breaking any mind you. ;) # > # > john # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # _________________________________________________________________ # Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. # http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:38:24 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 got a pic of the adapter? Sounds like what I need to put a Buick 200R4 into the Rambler a customer has. (Did you meet Paul the gas truck driver?) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:32:41 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 > > no, adapter mates up with no shaft change. > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # Didn't you swap the input gear of the tcase to 27 spline? Or did you have the trans swapped to 23 spline? > # > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # ---------------------------------------- > #> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:18:12 -0700 > #> From: john-at-wagoneers.com > #> To: fsj-at-digest.net > #> Subject: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 > #> > #> looks like I'm going to drop the NP219 in tomorrow... unless my > #> friend comes up with a quick fix for the linkage tomorrow... I tighened > #> bolts, went up to the store and it worked great, until I got into the driveway... > #> popped out again... > #> > #> the 219 has a lockup 4wd high mode that I prefer... can get home with a broken > #> driveshaft that way... :) not that I'm planning on breaking any mind you. ;) > #> > #> john > #> ----- > #> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > #> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > # http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 > # _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 no pictures, but I got it from BJs, it's the NOVAK adapter... there was some initial confusion about shafts, but this is just a bolt on adapter, the 700r4 had the right spline count... I think... would have to check with curtis... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # got a pic of the adapter? Sounds like what I need to put a Buick 200R4 into the Rambler a customer has. (Did you meet Paul the gas truck driver?) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:32:41 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 # > # > no, adapter mates up with no shaft change. # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # # > # Didn't you swap the input gear of the tcase to 27 spline? Or did you have the trans swapped to 23 spline? # > # # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # ---------------------------------------- # > #> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:18:12 -0700 # > #> From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > #> To: fsj-at-digest.net # > #> Subject: fsj: looks like Omega is going from a 228 to a 219 # > #> # > #> looks like I'm going to drop the NP219 in tomorrow... unless my # > #> friend comes up with a quick fix for the linkage tomorrow... I tighened # > #> bolts, went up to the store and it worked great, until I got into the driveway... # > #> popped out again... # > #> # > #> the 219 has a lockup 4wd high mode that I prefer... can get home with a broken # > #> driveshaft that way... :) not that I'm planning on breaking any mind you. ;) # > #> # > #> john # > #> ----- # > #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. # > # http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. # http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3130 **************************