From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 21 10:15:15 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, July 21 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3131 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: np228 dies the same death as np229 fsj: ac module - pictures fsj: car pictures... snohomish klahaya days RE: fsj: car pictures... snohomish klahaya days Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... fsj: RE: adventures with cruise controls Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... RE: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:04:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: np228 dies the same death as np229 can't get the xfr case to work in 4wd or 2wd high... only 4wd low... removed the linkage from the vacuum motor and attempted manual engagement of the xfr case per the '82 shop manual... I removed the linkage that locks it out of 2wd, and it doesn't engage, that means the viscous coupler of central diff is blown... the case was virtually dry... it apparently wasn't filled when installed... and I didn't check it... :( The top plug was really hard to get loose... added almost 3 quarts of atf... :( it's an NP228, should have a center diff, but I played around with everything I can think of to make it work... it only works in 4wd low... not 4wd high or 2wd high... :( so, the bottom line is, the NP228 is no different than an NP229... Installing an NP219 in it's place... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: ac module - pictures http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning-Module/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: car pictures... snohomish klahaya days http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-20-snohomish-klahaya-days/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:44:52 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: car pictures... snohomish klahaya days Next weekend is the Gold Bar days Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:48:10 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: car pictures... snohomish klahaya days > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-20-snohomish-klahaya-days/ALL.html > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:29:27 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... {- # On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: {- # # I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it {- # # could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any {- # # tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or {- # # even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. This would still be my biggest concern if you use the PVC. You're talking about eliminating any structural protection (from a normal bumper) and replacing it with something that will leave a big mess if the bumper is used for, well, a bumper. Heck, backing up and tagging something -- fencepost, corner of the house, a big rock -- would probably immediately result in a big mess. And, of course, it won't protect your vehicle at all. (Don't bother pointing out that modern vehicle bumpers also don't actually do anything; that doesn't make it right. ;) ) I'd still be concerned with a potential mess with a metal bumper like that, but if it were thick enough, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as the PVC. I definitely wouldn't ask the vehicle registration people if they think it's ok. I can't imagine DOT people would pass that for any kind of safety inspection. If you're going to build something out of PVC anyway, why not figure out a way to just build a custom tank to sit in the back of the truck? I'd bet you could make it out of Plexiglas or something. You could make it the size and shape you wanted. You could design it to prevent sliding around in the back, be big enough to hold what you want and/or small enough to be manageable, make it easily removable, put the custom drain in the top (you could do a simple sloped top with a rim so you could pour stuff in the top and it would drain down... or just do a hinged and latched top and pour it straight in), maybe a spigot near the bottom or something, maybe put in baffles to keep it from sloshing... All sorts of options if you're going to build something anyway, and you'd hopefully end up with something better for collecting veggie oil _and_ leave the truck safer as far as the bumper is concerned. Or buy some cool jerry cans -- either keep them inside (won't spill like a bucket) or do a mount on the outside, retro-Jeep style. http://www.roof-rack-supplies.co.uk/accessories/jerry-can.htm (That's just the first quick link I found; look around for something in the U.S., obviously.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. -- Douglas Adams - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: adventures with cruise controls all it would take is time, motivation, a hall effect transistor and a counter circuit. :) or just buy one that works on Diesels or off of the alternator. the emissions test place uses on that runs througj the cig lighter. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Potter, Tom E wrote: # I bet with your electronic expertise you could rig an inductive pickup. # :) # # Tom Potter # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:20 AM # To: Potter, Tom E # Subject: RE: adventures with cruise controls # # that was for a special tool that used # an inductive pickup. no tach like # on a gas engine... # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # # # On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Potter, Tom E wrote: # # # Are you positive that there is not a tach pickup on the GM diesel? I # # THINK my old Oldsmobile 5.7 had a pickup on the crank pulley for # # testing. # # # # Tom Potter # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # # john # # Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:52 PM # # Subject: fsj: adventures with cruise controls # # # # # # the continuing saga from the Snohomish Monster Carport... # # today's story brings us to the cruise control... # # # # (background: a GMC 6.2L "J" motor Diesel from 1983 3/4t 4x4 pickup # was # # "inserted" # # into my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer... have the stock jeep wiring # # in place, # # and remnants of the GM cruise system... including computer and # # brake pedal. ;) # # # # # # # # ...last night we determined that it would "MIGHT" be easier to use # the # # GM servo since it had the brackets and such for the 6.2L Diesel # # injection pump. # # # # So we ripped apart the servos (jeep and gm) and figured out the # # wiring... # # # # JEEP function GMC # # ------------------------------------------------ # # orange GROUND Black # # dark red Accel Power Green # # white Decel Power Dark Blue # # # # Gray Potentiometer 1 Light Blue # # Tan Potentiometer 2 Tan # # # # # # Ok, no problem, we've got it figured out... so, called my favorite # Chevy # # dealer # # with the part number from the deceased original GM servo... no longer # # available... # # ah, but there is one in Texas... for $227 and change... and # shipping... # # hold # # the order... need to regroup... # # # # ...regrouping because I really don't know if the Jeep computer and # # controls # # will really work with that servo... we're morphing a GAS AMC system # to # # a DIESEL GM system... I don't have a good feeling about # # interoperability, actually # # I have more confidence that we can make this work than I do in making # # Linux # # and Microsoft work together, but that's another story for another # # time... ;) # # # # # # So, that brings me to my trusty JC Whitney catalog... and looking at # # universal # # cruise controls... which lead me to an Audiovox universal kit: # # # # # http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalog # # Id=10001&storeId=10001&productId=341067&langId=-1 # # # # the manual for the Audiovox CCS-100 is at: # # http://site.brandsplace.com/audiovox.pdf (among other places) # # # # Problem is it has a tach input... I have no tach... not sure if it's # # needed or not... # # don't know if it'll work with a Diesel... the Diesel universals are 3 # # and 4 times the # # price... if there is one that doesn't require magnets on the # driveshaft # # I don't # # mind spending the money if it works and is simple... # # # # I still could go with the stock Jeep cruise setup, but need a bracket # to # # mount it # # to the Diesel... might be the best solution... however I think we # cut # # the cables # # last night... no worries... have a soldering iron. :) and the # cruise # # wasn't # # work with the original AMC 360... that's another concern... # # # # ------------------------------------------------------- # # # # So, all this background brings me to you with THE QUESTIONS: # # # # 1) do you have a GM cruise servo for an '83 GMC 3/4T with a 6.2L # Diesel # # # # 2) do you know of a universal cruise control that would work with the # # cruise # # switch (GM style) on the stalk of a '91 Grand Wagoneer... # # # # 3) do you have a good Grand Wagoneer servo (I think mine has a # ruptured # # diaprahm) # # # # ------------------------------------------------------- # # I have a soldering iron and a firm grasp of electronics... really do # # NOT want # # to attach magnets to my driveshaft(s). There is a speed sensor in # the # # speedometer # # cable on the Jeep with two leads... # # # # ideas? parts? :) # # # # I think PLAN B at this point is to try to make the stock Jeep system # # work # # with the IP on the 6.2L Diesel... # # # # in other news, replaced the glow plug controller last night... # actually # # works # # normally now! need to hook up my old test fuel gauge for the aux # # tank... the jeep is # # in a shop hopefully getting the a/c sorted out today... making # # progress... :) # # have the body control module and the seat module from a '99 WJ to # make # # the heated # # leather WJ seats work... not a big priority for a few weeks... ;) # # # # thanx, # # john # # # # ----- # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # - # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # - # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... after I swap the xfr case that failed over the weekend, I'll start assembling the ABS pipe into a tank holding about 5 gals and strap it under the bumper to the brush guard. I guess I could carry a small bag of kitty litter in case it leaks. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: # {- # On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # {- # # I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it # {- # # could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any # {- # # tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or # {- # # even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. # # This would still be my biggest concern if you use the PVC. You're # talking about eliminating any structural protection (from a normal # bumper) and replacing it with something that will leave a big mess if # the bumper is used for, well, a bumper. # # Heck, backing up and tagging something -- fencepost, corner of the # house, a big rock -- would probably immediately result in a big mess. # # And, of course, it won't protect your vehicle at all. (Don't bother # pointing out that modern vehicle bumpers also don't actually do # anything; that doesn't make it right. ;) ) # # I'd still be concerned with a potential mess with a metal bumper like # that, but if it were thick enough, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as the # PVC. # # I definitely wouldn't ask the vehicle registration people if they think # it's ok. I can't imagine DOT people would pass that for any kind of # safety inspection. # # If you're going to build something out of PVC anyway, why not figure out # a way to just build a custom tank to sit in the back of the truck? I'd # bet you could make it out of Plexiglas or something. You could make it # the size and shape you wanted. You could design it to prevent sliding # around in the back, be big enough to hold what you want and/or small # enough to be manageable, make it easily removable, put the custom drain # in the top (you could do a simple sloped top with a rim so you could # pour stuff in the top and it would drain down... or just do a hinged and # latched top and pour it straight in), maybe a spigot near the bottom or # something, maybe put in baffles to keep it from sloshing... All sorts # of options if you're going to build something anyway, and you'd # hopefully end up with something better for collecting veggie oil _and_ # leave the truck safer as far as the bumper is concerned. # # Or buy some cool jerry cans -- either keep them inside (won't spill like # a bucket) or do a mount on the outside, retro-Jeep style. # http://www.roof-rack-supplies.co.uk/accessories/jerry-can.htm # (That's just the first quick link I found; look around for something in # the U.S., obviously.) # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what # the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be # replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. # There is another theory which states that this has already happened. # -- Douglas Adams # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:58:29 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... john said: {- I guess I could carry a small {- bag of kitty litter in case it leaks. :) Or carry a little metal vat, a propane-driven grill/stove, and a bag of French fries. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ethernet: (n.) Something used to catch the etherbunny. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... nah, too many carbs... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: # john said: # {- I guess I could carry a small # {- bag of kitty litter in case it leaks. :) # # Or carry a little metal vat, a propane-driven grill/stove, and a bag of # French fries. # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Ethernet: (n.) Something used to catch the etherbunny. # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:08:54 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Before you get carried away, there are laws, and regulations you may wish to peruse. (Use other's loss to keep from making the same mistakes!) http://www.transferflow.com/fuel_tank_regulations.html http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext .asp?section=393.67 http://www.biofuelsforum.com/svo_users/543-fuel_tank_regulations.html Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:42:35 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: dan-at-black.org > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... > > after I swap the xfr case that failed over > the weekend, I'll start assembling the ABS > pipe into a tank holding about 5 gals and > strap it under the bumper to the brush > guard. I guess I could carry a small > bag of kitty litter in case it leaks. :) > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: > > # {- # On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: > # {- # # I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it > # {- # # could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any > # {- # # tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or > # {- # # even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. > # > # This would still be my biggest concern if you use the PVC. You're > # talking about eliminating any structural protection (from a normal > # bumper) and replacing it with something that will leave a big mess if > # the bumper is used for, well, a bumper. > # > # Heck, backing up and tagging something -- fencepost, corner of the > # house, a big rock -- would probably immediately result in a big mess. > # > # And, of course, it won't protect your vehicle at all. (Don't bother > # pointing out that modern vehicle bumpers also don't actually do > # anything; that doesn't make it right. ;) ) > # > # I'd still be concerned with a potential mess with a metal bumper like > # that, but if it were thick enough, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as the > # PVC. > # > # I definitely wouldn't ask the vehicle registration people if they think > # it's ok. I can't imagine DOT people would pass that for any kind of > # safety inspection. > # > # If you're going to build something out of PVC anyway, why not figure out > # a way to just build a custom tank to sit in the back of the truck? I'd > # bet you could make it out of Plexiglas or something. You could make it > # the size and shape you wanted. You could design it to prevent sliding > # around in the back, be big enough to hold what you want and/or small > # enough to be manageable, make it easily removable, put the custom drain > # in the top (you could do a simple sloped top with a rim so you could > # pour stuff in the top and it would drain down... or just do a hinged and > # latched top and pour it straight in), maybe a spigot near the bottom or > # something, maybe put in baffles to keep it from sloshing... All sorts > # of options if you're going to build something anyway, and you'd > # hopefully end up with something better for collecting veggie oil _and_ > # leave the truck safer as far as the bumper is concerned. > # > # Or buy some cool jerry cans -- either keep them inside (won't spill like > # a bucket) or do a mount on the outside, retro-Jeep style. > # http://www.roof-rack-supplies.co.uk/accessories/jerry-can.htm > # (That's just the first quick link I found; look around for something in > # the U.S., obviously.) > # > # - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > # There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what > # the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be > # replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. > # There is another theory which states that this has already happened. > # -- Douglas Adams > # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- > # _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3131 **************************