From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Aug 1 07:28:12 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, August 1 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3138 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? fsj: imcdb Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? RE: fsj: imcdb Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? fsj: Re: xj: 97 Jeep for sale -price drop fsj: today's adventure... RE: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:03:33 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? john said: {- here in the states we're paying $4.90 or so for Diesel, and $4.30 or so for {- gas... Heh, maybe in WA. ;) But you can't generalize that for "the states". Here (in IA), I just saw the mid-grade ethanol for $3.66. Low-grade is probably in the $3.75 range, and premium is $3.87. (Our mid-grade is a little cheaper than the low-grade because Iowa subsidizes it a bit.) It dropped 10-20c in the last few days; I remember seeing premium at $3.98 or so a couple days ago, and it was $4.10 when I got back from CO eleven days ago. Generally, we're one of the cheapest areas in the country... but WA is usually a fair bit _above_ the average. I'm betting the U.S. national average is probably in the $4.00-$4.10 range for low-grade right now, but the last time I saw an official number was almost a month ago. I don't remember what diesel is here, but I'm guessing somewhere in the $4.50 range. (Gasprices.net says $4.52-$4.64, mostly around $4.60. Hmmm, it also says there's one station selling premium for $3.70, and that was a couple days ago, so it might be even lower! And $3.60 for mid-grade, as of yesterday...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In my day, we couldn't afford shoes, so we went barefoot. In the winter, we had to wrap our feet with barbed wire for traction. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:29:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals, almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;) but we do have better mountains here. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: # john said: # {- here in the states we're paying $4.90 or so for Diesel, and $4.30 or so for # {- gas... # # Heh, maybe in WA. ;) But you can't generalize that for "the states". # # Here (in IA), I just saw the mid-grade ethanol for $3.66. Low-grade is # probably in the $3.75 range, and premium is $3.87. (Our mid-grade is a # little cheaper than the low-grade because Iowa subsidizes it a bit.) It # dropped 10-20c in the last few days; I remember seeing premium at $3.98 # or so a couple days ago, and it was $4.10 when I got back from CO eleven # days ago. # # Generally, we're one of the cheapest areas in the country... but WA is # usually a fair bit _above_ the average. I'm betting the U.S. national # average is probably in the $4.00-$4.10 range for low-grade right now, # but the last time I saw an official number was almost a month ago. # # I don't remember what diesel is here, but I'm guessing somewhere in the # $4.50 range. (Gasprices.net says $4.52-$4.64, mostly around $4.60. # Hmmm, it also says there's one station selling premium for $3.70, and # that was a couple days ago, so it might be even lower! And $3.60 for # mid-grade, as of yesterday...) # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # In my day, we couldn't afford shoes, so we went barefoot. # In the winter, we had to wrap our feet with barbed wire for traction. # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:27:42 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? john said: {- but we do have better mountains here. ;) I'll admit that IS an important point. :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many parents are gonna want to send their kids into the woods _that_ summer? -- Jack - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? oh yes... I flew into Chicago one nice and sunny day, sky was clear and blue... my first action was to look for the snow covered mountains... but there weren't any... :( ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: # john said: # {- but we do have better mountains here. ;) # # I'll admit that IS an important point. :) # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # How many parents are gonna want to send their kids # into the woods _that_ summer? # -- Jack # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:50:03 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: imcdb Anybody here see the IMCDB before? It's the Internet Movie CARS DataBase. Pretty cool! http://www.imcdb.org/search.php http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=jeep&model=grand+wagoneer http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=jeep&model=wagoneer Great Outdoors only got 3 stars... I would've expected 4. (Page 2 of Grand Wags.) ***** The vehicle is part of the movie **** Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time *** Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase ** Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene * Background vehicle And several people here will like this: http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?resultsStyle=asImages&sortBy=4&make=ford&model=mustang - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great, now there'll be cats everywhere. -- woman in Discovery Channel ad - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:54:23 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the ones we have here :) On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote: > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals, > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;) > > but we do have better mountains here. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:22:58 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: imcdb Very good.... could not remember the french movie: association de malfaiteurs... they use the winch to pull a safe embedded in a wall.... of course the winch is up front and they are driving away... w a flying safe following them. I believe that there was a 007 movie w a chase in the alps 70's or early 80's.... and the waggy plows accross the curve to catch up.... Michel 74 wag > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: imcdb > From: dan-at-black.org > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:50:03 -0500 > > Anybody here see the IMCDB before? > It's the Internet Movie CARS DataBase. > > Pretty cool! > > http://www.imcdb.org/search.php > http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=jeep&model=grand+wagoneer > http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=jeep&model=wagoneer > > Great Outdoors only got 3 stars... I would've expected 4. > (Page 2 of Grand Wags.) > ***** The vehicle is part of the movie > **** Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time > *** Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase > ** Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene > * Background vehicle > > And several people here will like this: > http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?resultsStyle=asImages&sortBy=4&make=ford&mo del=mustang > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > Great, now there'll be cats everywhere. > -- woman in Discovery Channel ad > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge r2_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? well, you do have Shasta... it's pretty decent. but we've got the Olympics, Baker, Rainier, Adams, Helens and a variety of others with snow on 'em... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kevin wrote: # Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the # ones we have here :) # # On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote: # > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals, # > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;) # > # > but we do have better mountains here. ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: 97 Jeep for sale -price drop just got back with the '94 Blazer... looks like I'll be selling my '91 Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel AND the '99 Grand Cherokee with a 4.7L V8. The Blazer is very nice... the XJ you describe sounds very nice... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: # My friend at work is STILL trying to sell her son's Jeep, # so she's dropped the price.... # # A little playing in a field is as much wheeling as this truck has seen. # She has put well more money into the truck than is being asked for it, # but they cannot afford to maintain it and he can't really afford to # drive it, so it's got to go. # I have seen/driven it and can attest that it's a pretty solid truck. # Located on northeast side of Indianapolis. # Just drop me a note if interested. # ** This is NOT a flood vehicle. ** # # 97 Jeep Cherokee Sport - $3000 # http://www.flickr.com/photos/thejeepnut/ # Moss Green Metallic / Gray interior w/ Charcoal accents. # Odometer: 163389 # 4.0 litre 6 cyl. # Automatic Transmission # Command-Trac 4x4 system # Full instrument panel gauge package # A/C # PW, PDL, PS, PB # Cruise Control # Adjust. Steering Column # ABS # # Recent work completed by ASE Certified mechanic (w/ receipt): # * 60,000 mile Certified replacement engine installed w/ new plugs, # oil & filter, oil filter adapter, water pump, thermostat, lower radiator # hose, coolant, new headpipe, catalytic converter, muffler, upstream & # downstream O2 sensors. # * New front drive axle U Joints, new RF steering knuckle, new RF # U/L ball joints, track bar, rotors resurfaced x2, new rear brake shoes, # wheel cylinders, hardware and drums. # * Rear differential service, rear axle bearings, wheel bearings, # seals and pinion shaft seal. # * 49,000 mile Certified replacement Transmission, new neutral # safety switch, fluid flush, new filter, adjusted range sensor. # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: today's adventure... just got back from Tri-Cities... picked up a '94 Chevy Blazer with a 6.5L TD... very nice... thought it was green from the pictures, but it's dark blue... needs some TLC, mostly cleaning... ran out very nicely... So, it looks like we'll be selling both of our Jeeps... '91 Grand Wagoneer 6.2L/700R4/NP219 - 4.10s, 16-18 city, over 23 freeway '99 Grand Cherokee 4.7L/45RFE/NV247 - 3.73s, 15 city, 21 freeway john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:29:48 -0700 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: RE: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? Don't forget your local neighborhood hill "Glacier Peak" at a measly 10,541 feet. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:07 PM To: Kevin Cc: Dan Black; Full Size Jeeps Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? well, you do have Shasta... it's pretty decent. but we've got the Olympics, Baker, Rainier, Adams, Helens and a variety of others with snow on 'em... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kevin wrote: # Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the # ones we have here :) # # On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote: # > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals, # > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;) # > # > but we do have better mountains here. ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:15:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:20:52 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs? {- On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote: {- > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals, {- > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;) {- > {- > but we do have better mountains here. ;) Kevin said: {- Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the {- ones we have here :) But which ones do you live in? John's comments were aimed at me, being in Iowa. Anyone in the Rockies definitely has better mountains than Iowa. Heck, the Appalacians (which someone on this list once ammusingly referred to as "nice foothills") are better mountains than Iowa has. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just remember: If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3138 **************************