From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Aug 19 09:45:40 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, August 19 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3155 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras RE: fsj: RE: [db] the next stage... cameras RE: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras Re: fsj: RE: [db] the next stage... cameras Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras fsj: CNG - possible alternative? RE: fsj: RE: [db] the next stage... cameras RE: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:50:34 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras I have an A-1 and an F-1, and both are capable of using either an FL or FD lens. Canon EOS lenses can be used on a digital, or at least that's what a friend has done with no ill effects THOUGH there are some made for digitals that don't work on the film or full size sensor style digitals. I haven't made the switch to digital, but may next year who knows. Get a lot of strange looks in airports and at customs when I hand them a lead bag, but coworkers keep asking me how much I spent on my digital to get pictures that crisp. 100 or 64 ISO film will do that :) On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:12:36PM -0700, john wrote: > no, the canons will NOT work, checked at a camera store and on line... > that's why I am considering Nikon... all are the F mount... :) > > sad, but true about the Canon... I have some nice FD lenses... canon has had several > types and they are not interchangeable... FL, FD, EF and EOS with another > one thrown in somewhere... don't know of an adapter either... > > the EF lenses came out in the mid-70s, the Canon EF and F1 could use them, > I had an AE-1 and still have a FTb with three lenses, or is it two? Can't > remember and can't find them right now. ;) My son had them down in AZ. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras yes, the beauty of film... I showed my son my 2-1/4 inch negatives and slides last night from 1976... he was impressed. :) it's too bad the FD lenses won't work on the modern Canon dslrs. :( I went from Canon to Contax/Zeiss... had several in 35mm... bad electronics forced me out of them... I gave my last 35mm cameras to my son and neice... technically have 4 digitals, but my wife and daughter have two of them, a friend is buying my fz7 and I put my fz50 on cl today... going to get the fz28 and continue researching the Dslrs. today I sold Omega, tomorrow I get my work blackberry, wed my bfg's, thurs the 4" exhaust... :) what a week for toys, eh? :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold * SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL * * SAVE ELECTRICITY use Linux: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf * http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Kevin wrote: # I have an A-1 and an F-1, and both are capable of using either an FL or FD # lens. Canon EOS lenses can be used on a digital, or at least that's what a # friend has done with no ill effects THOUGH there are some made for digitals # that don't work on the film or full size sensor style digitals. # # I haven't made the switch to digital, but may next year who knows. Get a lot # of strange looks in airports and at customs when I hand them a lead bag, but # coworkers keep asking me how much I spent on my digital to get pictures that # crisp. 100 or 64 ISO film will do that :) # # On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:12:36PM -0700, john wrote: # > no, the canons will NOT work, checked at a camera store and on line... # > that's why I am considering Nikon... all are the F mount... :) # > # > sad, but true about the Canon... I have some nice FD lenses... canon has had several # > types and they are not interchangeable... FL, FD, EF and EOS with another # > one thrown in somewhere... don't know of an adapter either... # > # > the EF lenses came out in the mid-70s, the Canon EF and F1 could use them, # > I had an AE-1 and still have a FTb with three lenses, or is it two? Can't # > remember and can't find them right now. ;) My son had them down in AZ. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:58:00 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: RE: [db] the next stage... cameras > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: [db] the next stage... cameras > From: dan > michel said: > {- I was referred to chdk for the purpose of motion controlled remote (I need to > {- figure out which dog is crapping on my 25 sq feet piece of lawn), time delay > {- video, and extending the duration of the video (limited to 2min originally, > {- but the newer models can go as long as the memory can take. I have done close > {- to 10 mins, w the camera attached to the helmet) > > Attached to the helmet? What are you doing, getting video of motorcycle > or bike riding? (For those, I'd probably just build a mount for a > normal video camera... Much less limited for time, and better quality.) RE: Mounting the camera on the handlebar is too rocky... this is off road..... so you need some dampening by adjusting the riding position, so the headset works best. When I am back, i will put a link up... on youtube > For the other... Well, maybe you'll catch him if it only activates when > it sees motion, but I'd be more tempted to look into wiring up a webcam > and recording the whole day. I'm tempted to do that myself, now and > then, when people in the neighborhood leave their trash on my lawn or > when local kids vandalize the mailboxes (opening them and leaving them > open, or breaking off the red flag thingies). RE:webcam is good... but who wants to review a whole day... at least i could have caught the truck that swipe the side of the jeep.... luckily, it only hit the blinker orange plastic on the fender... did not even crack the "chrome", but left a nice piece of rubber on the wrap around bumper.... > Usually I just try to remember that I should be happy that those are > pretty much the worst things that happen in my neighborhood. I can > accidentally leave my garage door open all day or all night, and nothing > gets touched, even though there's plenty of good, fairly expensive > equipment in there. Not exactly a bad place to live RE: hummmm garage door... usually the neighbors will close it for us... but you never know... our location is prefered.... to dispose of stolen cars... there is a steep staircase linking 2 streets (120 steps) so they can runaway from the looted vehicle... last was a honda del sol... no hood, bumpers, seats, fenders.... but it was idling in front of the carport... We found the owner checkbook... w address, the cops came... picked up the owner and escorted him home 5 or 10 blocks away... no seat belts, no license plates... no ignition switch, just hot wired... a seat was left inside.... but not bolted.... car was on CL the next day, asking was $900.... Michel _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:06:09 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras > From: john > Re: OT: digital cameras > > yes, the beauty of film... I showed my son my 2-1/4 inch negatives > and slides last night from 1976... > I went from Canon to Contax/Zeiss... had several in 35mm... bad electronics > forced me out of them... RE: digital are not that sharp, I remember doing some large print 18"x24" or so, yes inches.... comparing pentax, and zeiss... yes there a tremendous difference..... using 50 asa b&W. The pentax lasted until the ex drove on it w the car.... still worked... but cannot find the mercury batteries..... Michel _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:27:39 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: RE: [db] the next stage... cameras michel balea said: {- > Attached to the helmet? What are you doing, getting video of motorcycle {- > or bike riding? (For those, I'd probably just build a mount for a {- > normal video camera... Much less limited for time, and better quality.) {- {- RE: Mounting the camera on the handlebar is too rocky... this is off road... {- so you need some dampening by adjusting the riding position, so the headset {- works best. When I am back, i will put a link up... on youtube For that, I was thinking of trying to find my old portable CD player shock absorber and adapting that. But a gravel road would still probably be a bit too bumpy for that -- video would be too shaky. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...you have definite vanilla tendencies with a splash of chocolate on the side... -- Dave - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:37:13 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras michel balea said: {- > yes, the beauty of film... I showed my son my 2-1/4 inch negatives {- > and slides last night from 1976... {- > I went from Canon to Contax/Zeiss... had several in 35mm... bad electronics {- > forced me out of them... {- {- RE: digital are not that sharp, I remember doing some large print 18"x24" or {- so, yes inches.... comparing pentax, and zeiss... yes there a tremendous {- difference..... using 50 asa b&W. What digitals are you comparing at that size? Point-and-shoots probably won't have that quality -- if you read the reviews, most agree even the higher resolution point-and-shoots these days still aren't much higher quality than the lower resolution ones a few years ago, and they don't come close to an SLR of the same or even lower resolution. Quality and type of sensor come into play, as does the size and quality of the lens - -- not to mention any processing the camera does. IIRC, most pros consider 8-10MP SLRs to be equivalent of the 35mm film SLRs for quality, and they consider 8-12MP to be reaching the limits of the lens -- i.e., increasing the sensor resolution won't really add any quality, so beyond that point, you'd do as well or better to just use Photoshop to blow it up. I've mostly become a raw snob, and I'm a firm believer in building your skills with Photoshop to do good post-processing. You can make up a fair amount for camera and environtmental limitations -- and, more importantly, user limitations -- if you know how to use Photoshop. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexus: (n.) The car for drivers who signal left and turn right. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: CNG - possible alternative? keep up the research, will cc this to the fsj list... I know mr. blair has a fascination with the smelly alternative, propane... the deodorizer they put in propane is made from onions, of which I'm allergic, but as long as the propane is burnt I'm fine... might be a way of justifying keeping the '99 WJ. ;) and possibly adding a 4.7L V8 to Superdawg... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold * SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL * * SAVE ELECTRICITY use Linux: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf * http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Daugherty, Bill W (E F PR GN) wrote: # I have been researching compressed natural gas (CNG) as an alternative # to that stinky and expensive gasoline. Have any of you guys on this # message board tried it in an XJ? The closest thing I can find for a # conversion kit is here.... # http://ewsews.com/cngprices.html # Kinda generic and pricey.... There are guesstimates that the equivalent # price you are paying is $.85 per gallon of juice with this method.... # Sounds great doesn't it....?? But wait ! Not so fast ! Unless you # live close to a refueling station (and they are rare in most parts of # the country) you need your own compressor to squeeze the puplic utility # natural gas into the tanks... Figure on aroune 4-5 grand for that # toy.... Still, it might make good sense in the long run..... Anybody # got any experience with this stuff....??? # # Bill-93XJ # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:55 PM # To: xj-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: xj: What size bearing puller? # # did you find any info on randy's site on how to do it? # # you could contact their tech guys via their website, they're quite # helpful... # # looks like I'm down one jeep... omega just sold on ebay... # # heading over to eastern washington later this week to get the 4" exhaust # system # for my '94 blazer with the 6.5L TD... turns out that Heath Diesel is # building a Bonneville salt flat type '94 pickup with the same engine as # mine # to set a world speed record... shooting for 150 mph. with a STOCK 6.5L # TD... # # We may end up keeping the WJ... it's the best jeep we've ever had... # lots # of miles, but the thing is amazing... too bad it runs on gasoline. ;) # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # * SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL * # * SAVE ELECTRICITY use Linux: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf * # http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # # # On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # # heh, I was going to.. I rang a garage which replaced the snapped off # rocker # # post bolt in the head a few months ago.. they rang me back insisting # that # # I'd have to order a new hub for about 400USD.. "I have the parts fax # here # # in front of me bud" ... I told him I'd sort it myself ;-) I bought # the # # bearing and seal for 32e on ebay. # # # # hmm.. am thinking I might get away with a slide hammer + block of # wood now.. # # # # Steve # # # # On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 6:42 PM, john wrote: # # # # > you're welcome... this kind of stuff I leave to shops with big # tools and # # > presses... # # > the labor involved is quite reasonable usually... # # > # # > I've done a lot of wheel bearings with blocks of wood, old sockets, # big # # > hammers and # # > c-clamps... I prefer to let the folks with the right tools do it # now. :) # # > # # > john # # > # # > ----- # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # # > # # > # # > On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # > # # > # Thanks John! # # > # # # > # # # > # On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 6:17 PM, john # wrote: # # > # # # > # > Steve, # # > # > # # > # > try randy's website, he's got info and tools/kits available: # # > # > http://www.ringpinion.com/HowTo.aspx # # > # > # # > # > http://www.ringpinion.com/FAQ.aspx # # > # > # # > # > john # # > # > # # > # > ----- # # > # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # # > # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # > # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: # http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # > # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # - # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # # > # > # # > # > # Hi, # # > # > # # # > # > # I'm still walking around the Jeep with tools in my hands # but # # > haven't # # > # > changed # # > # > # the rear pass wheel bearing yet... "why?" I hear you ask.. # # > # > # # # > # > # A) I'm nervous as I haven't done a bearing before # # > # > # and # # > # > # B) I haven't got a bearing puller... # # > # > # # # > # > # So.. having started researching them.. I discover there are # many # # > sizes.. # # > # > so # # > # > # .. # # > # > # # # > # > # A) which do I need for this application.. # # > # > # (something like this? http://tinyurl.com/6kr5j9 ) # # > # > # B) I get how the legs attach internally.. but where is the # leverage # # > # > coming # # > # > # from? # # > # > # # # > # > # Thanks # # > # > # Steve # # > # > # # # > # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:56:24 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: RE: [db] the next stage... cameras I used one of those mini tripod, w a small extension and w velcro wrapped around the jaw piece of the full face helmet... it works very well, as I am riding standing on the footpegs for the rough sections. The only issue was, that one day it was very windy, and the sand interfered w the closing lens protector... Michel > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: [db] the next stage... cameras > From: dan-at-black.org > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:27:39 -0500 > > michel balea said: > {- > Attached to the helmet? What are you doing, getting video of motorcycle > {- > or bike riding? (For those, I'd probably just build a mount for a > {- > normal video camera... Much less limited for time, and better quality.) > {- > {- RE: Mounting the camera on the handlebar is too rocky... this is off road... > {- so you need some dampening by adjusting the riding position, so the headset > {- works best. When I am back, i will put a link up... on youtube > > For that, I was thinking of trying to find my old portable CD player > shock absorber and adapting that. But a gravel road would still > probably be a bit too bumpy for that -- video would be too shaky. > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > ...you have definite vanilla tendencies > with a splash of chocolate on the side... > > -- Dave > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:03:48 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras I have a PnS canon a720is, 8 meg and 6x zoom.... but use it on 4 meg, only for memories and jeep documentations. I had the panasonic equivalent, but the display was terrible. As age advances, I am sure that my eyesight is regressing as well, so 4 meg is good, then top the quality of the computer screen. i did some 8x10 w the old 3 meg camera, and it was impressive. The nikon is collecting dust.... too many accessories to carry when on a hike or a bike trip. Michel > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras > From: dan-at-black.org > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:37:13 -0500 > > michel balea said: > {- > yes, the beauty of film... I showed my son my 2-1/4 inch negatives > {- > and slides last night from 1976... > {- > I went from Canon to Contax/Zeiss... had several in 35mm... bad electronics > {- > forced me out of them... > {- > {- RE: digital are not that sharp, I remember doing some large print 18"x24" or > {- so, yes inches.... comparing pentax, and zeiss... yes there a tremendous > {- difference..... using 50 asa b&W. > > What digitals are you comparing at that size? Point-and-shoots probably > won't have that quality -- if you read the reviews, most agree even the > higher resolution point-and-shoots these days still aren't much higher > quality than the lower resolution ones a few years ago, and they don't > come close to an SLR of the same or even lower resolution. Quality and > type of sensor come into play, as does the size and quality of the lens > -- not to mention any processing the camera does. > > IIRC, most pros consider 8-10MP SLRs to be equivalent of the 35mm film > SLRs for quality, and they consider 8-12MP to be reaching the limits of > the lens -- i.e., increasing the sensor resolution won't really add any > quality, so beyond that point, you'd do as well or better to just use > Photoshop to blow it up. > > I've mostly become a raw snob, and I'm a firm believer in building your > skills with Photoshop to do good post-processing. You can make up a > fair amount for camera and environtmental limitations -- and, more > importantly, user limitations -- if you know how to use Photoshop. > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > Dyslexus: (n.) The car for drivers who signal left and turn right. > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be^Wlearn how to burn a DVD with Windows.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: OT: digital cameras photoshop is NOT photography... if you have to rely on photoshop then you are not in control of your camera. ;) I only use Bomes Image Resizer to resize to a smaller size for the web and computer... I use Lview Pro to adjust the gamma/brightness, rarely... and maybe to crop, both of which indicate I didn't have control of the camera... I must RTM. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold * SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL * * SAVE ELECTRICITY use Linux: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf * http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Dan Black wrote: # michel balea said: # {- > yes, the beauty of film... I showed my son my 2-1/4 inch negatives # {- > and slides last night from 1976... # {- > I went from Canon to Contax/Zeiss... had several in 35mm... bad electronics # {- > forced me out of them... # {- # {- RE: digital are not that sharp, I remember doing some large print 18"x24" or # {- so, yes inches.... comparing pentax, and zeiss... yes there a tremendous # {- difference..... using 50 asa b&W. # # What digitals are you comparing at that size? Point-and-shoots probably # won't have that quality -- if you read the reviews, most agree even the # higher resolution point-and-shoots these days still aren't much higher # quality than the lower resolution ones a few years ago, and they don't # come close to an SLR of the same or even lower resolution. Quality and # type of sensor come into play, as does the size and quality of the lens # -- not to mention any processing the camera does. # # IIRC, most pros consider 8-10MP SLRs to be equivalent of the 35mm film # SLRs for quality, and they consider 8-12MP to be reaching the limits of # the lens -- i.e., increasing the sensor resolution won't really add any # quality, so beyond that point, you'd do as well or better to just use # Photoshop to blow it up. # # I've mostly become a raw snob, and I'm a firm believer in building your # skills with Photoshop to do good post-processing. You can make up a # fair amount for camera and environtmental limitations -- and, more # importantly, user limitations -- if you know how to use Photoshop. # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Dyslexus: (n.) The car for drivers who signal left and turn right. # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3155 **************************