From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 14 23:28:30 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, October 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3185 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [db] engine for superdawg fsj: Re: [db] engine for superdawg RE: fsj: Ignition bypass fsj: 6.5L Turbo Diesel sets land speed record... :) RE: fsj: RE: Ignition bypass Re: fsj: RE: Ignition bypass fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] engine for superdawg that's better mileage than I'm getting with my 6.5L TD... or with the 6.2 in Omega... the 4BT is definetly something I need to take a closer look at... I've got a lot to learn about them, but it sounds like a better option. thanx also for clarifying it's a 4bt (turbo). Would like to take a look at it and see how you mated to the trans/xfr case. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, John Culver wrote: # John # I am on vacation in Wyoming. From Portland to Spokane I got 28mpg with my 4B # cummins Suburban. 25.3mpg from Spokane to Sheridan Wy. All this with 3 people # and loaded for a hunting trip. About 6800 lbs # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: "diesel john" # Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:06 PM # Subject: [db] engine for superdawg # # # > looking at engine data for Superdawg... # > # > considering various Diesels... probably a Mercedes # > a 2.5L TD or 3.0L TD... a 6.5L TD would be the best # > for all around power... a 4.7L V8 out of a WJ would # > be the quietest and fastest... would get around 16 in town # > and 20 -21 on the freeway. sadly the 6.5 or 6.2 would do # > about the same... with the Mercedes Diesels I'm thinking # > I'd see closer to 20 in town and closer to 30 on the freeway... # > # > Superdawg is an '83 J10 stepside with a curb weight around 4,100lbs. # > # > underconsideration: # > # > -94 - GM 6.5L TD - 215 hp -at- 3,200 - 440 lb-ft -at- 1,800 # > -87 300d 3.0L chassis 124.133 /engine 603.960 # > 143 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 195 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > -91 300d 2.5 Turbo Diesel chassis 124.128 /engine 602.962 # > 121 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 165 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > -88 - GM 6.2L Dsl- 130 hp -at- 3,600 - 240 ft lbs -at- 2,000 # > -99 - WJ 4.7L - 235 hp -at- 4,800 - 295 ft lbs -at- 3,200 <-- WJ (GAS... :( # > # > to get better economy I'm thinking the Mercedes Turbo Diesel # > would work better... # > # > john # > # > full details below: # > # > ================================================= # > Benz Model/Engine # > --601 series-- # > -84-85 190D 2.2 chassis 201.122 /engine 601.921 # > 72hp -at- 4200 rpm, 96 ftlbs -at- 2800 rpm # > # > --602 series-- # > -86-89 190D 2.5 chassis 201.126 /engine 602.911 # > non-turbo 93hp -at- 4100 rpm, 122 ftlbs -at- 2800 rpm # > -87 190D 2.5 TD chassis 201.128 /engine 602.961 # > turbo 123 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 168 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > -91 300d 2.5 Turbo Diesel chassis 124.128 /engine 602.962 # > turbo 121 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 165 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > # > --603 series-- # > -86-87 300SDL chassis 126.125 /engine 603.961 # > 148 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 201 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > -91 350SD chassis 126.134 /engine 603.970 <--- 3.5L TD - BEWARE # > 150 hp -at- 4000 rpm, 229 ftlbs -at- 2200 rpm # > -87 300d 3.0L chassis 124.133 /engine 603.960 # > 143 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 195 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > # > --606 series-- # > -95 E300d 3.0L chassis 124.131 /engine 606.910 # > ???? # > # > --616 series-- # > -77-83 240d chassis 123.123 /engine 616.912 # > 72 hp -at- 4,400 - 97 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) # > # > --617 series-- # > -77-81 300d 3.0L chassis 123.130 /engine 617.912 # > 88 hp -at- 4,400 - 126.6 ft lbs -at- 2,400 # > -81-85 300SD chassis 126.120 /engine 617.951 # > 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 # > -82-85 300d 3.0L TD chassis 123.133 /engine 617.952 # > 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 # > # > year - engine - HP -at- rpm - torque -at- rpm # > -------------------------------------- # > 83 - J10 4.2L - 115 hp -at- 3,200 - 210 ft lbs -at- 1,800 <-- original # > 97 - ZJ 4.0L - 185 hp -at- 4,600 - 220 ft lbs -at- 2,400 # > # > 99 - WJ 4.7L - 235 hp -at- 4,800 - 295 ft lbs -at- 3,200 <-- WJ # > 99 - WJ 4.0L - 195 hp -at- 4,600 - 230 ft lbs -at- 3,000 # > # > 83 - J10 360V8 - 129 hp -at- 3,700 - 245 ft lbs -at- 1,600 <-- Old Blue # > 88 - XJ 4.0L - 177 hp -at- 4,500 - 224 ft lbs -at- 2,500 <-- little wagoneer # > # > 91 - XJ 4.0L - 190 hp -at- 4,750 - 225 ft lbs -at- 4,000 # > 97 - ZJ 5.2L - 220 hp -at- 4,400 - 300 ft lbs -at- 3,200 # > # > 78 - SJ 401V8 - 215 hp -at- 4,400 - 320 ft lbs -at- 2,800 <-- 401 V8 # > # > 88 - GM 6.2L Dsl- 130 hp -at- 3,600 - 240 ft lbs -at- 2,000 # > 94 - GM 6.5L TD - 215 hp -at- 3,200 - 440 lb-ft -at- 1,800 # > # > GAS V8s # > 88 - GM 350V8-FI- 210 hp -at- 4,000 - 300 ft lbs -at- 2,800 # > 89 - Ford 302-FI- 185 hp -at- 3,400 - 270 ft lbs -at- 2,400 # > # > Mercedes Diesels # > -------------------------------- # > 85 - 190D 2.2L - 72 hp -at- 4,200 - 96 ft lbs -at- 2,800 (normally aspirated) # > 83 - 240D 2.4L - 72 hp -at- 4,400 - 97 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally # > aspirated) # > 87 - 190D 2.5L - 123 hp -at- 4,600 - 168 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) # > 81 - 300D 3.0L - 88 hp -at- 4,400 - 126.6 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) # > <-- fritz # > 83 - 300SD 3.0L - 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:44:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] engine for superdawg a few folks have suggested buying an old truck with them... happen to know of a company that will be updating their fleet soon... :) I think I need to learn more about the Cummins 4BT... would definetly have the power needed and from John's reports, the economy I desire... and durability, and simplicity... no computers. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Check eBay for a baseline. There are a few out there all the time. # Usually a few looking like they just got pulled from the junk yard # and a few that look rebuilt. I think that would be your best option. # # Jim # # --- On Thu, 10/9/08, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: Re: [db] engine for superdawg # > To: "John Culver" # > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" # > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:43 AM # > that's better mileage than I'm getting with my 6.5L # > TD... or with # > the 6.2 in Omega... # > # > the 4BT is definetly something I need to take a closer look # > at... I've # > got a lot to learn about them, but it sounds like a better # > option. # > # > thanx also for clarifying it's a 4bt (turbo). # > # > Would like to take a look at it and see how you mated to # > the trans/xfr case. # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: # > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ # > http://freegift.com # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, John Culver wrote: # > # > # John # > # I am on vacation in Wyoming. From Portland to Spokane I # > got 28mpg with my 4B # > # cummins Suburban. 25.3mpg from Spokane to Sheridan Wy. # > All this with 3 people # > # and loaded for a hunting trip. About 6800 lbs # > # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # > # > # To: "diesel john" # > # > # Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:06 PM # > # Subject: [db] engine for superdawg # > # # > # # > # > looking at engine data for Superdawg... # > # > # > # > considering various Diesels... probably a Mercedes # > # > a 2.5L TD or 3.0L TD... a 6.5L TD would be the # > best # > # > for all around power... a 4.7L V8 out of a WJ # > would # > # > be the quietest and fastest... would get around 16 # > in town # > # > and 20 -21 on the freeway. sadly the 6.5 or 6.2 # > would do # > # > about the same... with the Mercedes Diesels I'm # > thinking # > # > I'd see closer to 20 in town and closer to 30 # > on the freeway... # > # > # > # > Superdawg is an '83 J10 stepside with a curb # > weight around 4,100lbs. # > # > # > # > underconsideration: # > # > # > # > -94 - GM 6.5L TD - 215 hp -at- 3,200 - 440 lb-ft -at- # > 1,800 # > # > -87 300d 3.0L chassis 124.133 /engine 603.960 # > # > 143 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 195 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > # > -91 300d 2.5 Turbo Diesel chassis 124.128 /engine # > 602.962 # > # > 121 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 165 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > # > -88 - GM 6.2L Dsl- 130 hp -at- 3,600 - 240 ft lbs -at- # > 2,000 # > # > -99 - WJ 4.7L - 235 hp -at- 4,800 - 295 ft lbs -at- 3,200 # > <-- WJ (GAS... :( # > # > # > # > to get better economy I'm thinking the Mercedes # > Turbo Diesel # > # > would work better... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > full details below: # > # > # > # > ================================================= # > # > Benz Model/Engine # > # > --601 series-- # > # > -84-85 190D 2.2 chassis 201.122 /engine 601.921 # > # > 72hp -at- 4200 rpm, 96 ftlbs -at- 2800 rpm # > # > # > # > --602 series-- # > # > -86-89 190D 2.5 chassis 201.126 /engine 602.911 # > # > non-turbo 93hp -at- 4100 rpm, 122 ftlbs -at- 2800 rpm # > # > -87 190D 2.5 TD chassis 201.128 /engine 602.961 # > # > turbo 123 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 168 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > # > -91 300d 2.5 Turbo Diesel chassis 124.128 /engine # > 602.962 # > # > turbo 121 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 165 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > # > # > # > --603 series-- # > # > -86-87 300SDL chassis 126.125 /engine 603.961 # > # > 148 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 201 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > # > -91 350SD chassis 126.134 /engine 603.970 <--- # > 3.5L TD - BEWARE # > # > 150 hp -at- 4000 rpm, 229 ftlbs -at- 2200 rpm # > # > -87 300d 3.0L chassis 124.133 /engine 603.960 # > # > 143 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 195 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm # > # > # > # > --606 series-- # > # > -95 E300d 3.0L chassis 124.131 /engine 606.910 # > # > ???? # > # > # > # > --616 series-- # > # > -77-83 240d chassis 123.123 /engine 616.912 # > # > 72 hp -at- 4,400 - 97 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally # > aspirated) # > # > # > # > --617 series-- # > # > -77-81 300d 3.0L chassis 123.130 /engine 617.912 # > # > 88 hp -at- 4,400 - 126.6 ft lbs -at- 2,400 # > # > -81-85 300SD chassis 126.120 /engine 617.951 # > # > 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 # > # > -82-85 300d 3.0L TD chassis 123.133 /engine # > 617.952 # > # > 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 # > # > # > # > year - engine - HP -at- rpm - torque -at- rpm # > # > -------------------------------------- # > # > 83 - J10 4.2L - 115 hp -at- 3,200 - 210 ft lbs -at- # > 1,800 <-- original # > # > 97 - ZJ 4.0L - 185 hp -at- 4,600 - 220 ft lbs -at- # > 2,400 # > # > # > # > 99 - WJ 4.7L - 235 hp -at- 4,800 - 295 ft lbs -at- 3,200 # > <-- WJ # > # > 99 - WJ 4.0L - 195 hp -at- 4,600 - 230 ft lbs -at- 3,000 # > # > # > # > 83 - J10 360V8 - 129 hp -at- 3,700 - 245 ft lbs -at- # > 1,600 <-- Old Blue # > # > 88 - XJ 4.0L - 177 hp -at- 4,500 - 224 ft lbs -at- # > 2,500 <-- little wagoneer # > # > # > # > 91 - XJ 4.0L - 190 hp -at- 4,750 - 225 ft lbs -at- # > 4,000 # > # > 97 - ZJ 5.2L - 220 hp -at- 4,400 - 300 ft lbs -at- # > 3,200 # > # > # > # > 78 - SJ 401V8 - 215 hp -at- 4,400 - 320 ft lbs -at- # > 2,800 <-- 401 V8 # > # > # > # > 88 - GM 6.2L Dsl- 130 hp -at- 3,600 - 240 ft lbs -at- # > 2,000 # > # > 94 - GM 6.5L TD - 215 hp -at- 3,200 - 440 lb-ft -at- # > 1,800 # > # > # > # > GAS V8s # > # > 88 - GM 350V8-FI- 210 hp -at- 4,000 - 300 ft lbs -at- # > 2,800 # > # > 89 - Ford 302-FI- 185 hp -at- 3,400 - 270 ft lbs -at- # > 2,400 # > # > # > # > Mercedes Diesels # > # > -------------------------------- # > # > 85 - 190D 2.2L - 72 hp -at- 4,200 - 96 ft lbs -at- 2,800 # > (normally aspirated) # > # > 83 - 240D 2.4L - 72 hp -at- 4,400 - 97 ft lbs -at- # > 2,400 (normally # > # > aspirated) # > # > 87 - 190D 2.5L - 123 hp -at- 4,600 - 168 ft lbs -at- # > 2,400 (TURBO) # > # > 81 - 300D 3.0L - 88 hp -at- 4,400 - 126.6 ft lbs -at- # > 2,400 (normally aspirated) # > # > <-- fritz # > # > 83 - 300SD 3.0L - 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- # > 2,400 (TURBO) # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: # > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > SAVE power: use LINUX: # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ # > http://freegift.com # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > # > # # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:39:20 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Ignition bypass For a solenoid on the starter, the color scheme is different . I did it on the wrangler, and the idea is the same as I described earlier ... it is harder to reach the wire on the starter, but it works. Michel 74 wag 85 Gwag From: Moontanman-at-aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:25:48 -0400 Subject: Re: fsj: Ignition bypass To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com In a message dated 10/8/2008 10:16:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mbalea-at-hotmail.com writes: I am talking FSJ (74 to 85 and probably 88ish) here, not XJ.... It should not be too different. Have not work on a XJ yet. As long as the solenoid is on the fender. As far as I know the solenoid is on the starter not the fender well. I used to have a FSJ, the solenoid was indeed on the fender well. Michael Hissom aurea mediocritas New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:33:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: 6.5L Turbo Diesel sets land speed record... :) Looks like Bill did it... 153 mph... Sept 19, 2008... http://www.heathdiesel.com/images/poweredlandspeedtruck.jpg got to see it in it's final preparations: http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/GM/6.5L/6.5L-TTD-land-speed-challenger-Heath-Diesel/ALL.html full article about buildup linked here: http://www.heathdiesel.com/ john '94 K1500 6.5L TD '91 300D 2.5L TD '99 WJ 4.7L V8 '83 J10 stepside - sans engine '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer '67 J100 232 cu in ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:33:12 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Ignition bypass Worked on the list from here? For the XJ starter, the small wire to the starter is the signal that makes it operate. Do the same diagram as the one below but remove the original wire from the starter and hook the blue colored line to where the original went and add a fuse to the 12VDC power coming in. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Subject: fsj: RE: Ignition bypass > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:05:35 -0500 > From: Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com > To: Moontanman-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net; john-at-wagoneers.com; xj-at-digest.net > > Let's try again. Here is the link. > > http://www.geocities.com/jeep_images/electrical/push_button_ignition.jpg > > > Tom Potter > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > Moontanman-at-aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:15 PM > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net; john-at-wagoneers.com; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Ignition bypass > > Can any one help me find a wiring diagram to by pass my ignition switch > and > put a push button on my dash to allow me to start my jeep. I have a > short > somewhere in the ignition that allows the starter to engage when the > ignition > switch is turned on. I cannot find the short so I need to bypass the > switch. > 1991 Jeep Cherokee Laredo, > > Michael Hissom > aurea mediocritas > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ^S10 hidden secrets^T from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:58:09 EDT From: Moontanman-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Ignition bypass In a message dated 10/9/2008 10:33:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, carnuck-at-hotmail.com writes: Worked on the list from here? For the XJ starter, the small wire to the starter is the signal that makes it operate. Do the same diagram as the one below but remove the original wire from the starter and hook the blue colored line to where the original went and add a fuse to the 12VDC power coming in. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Subject: fsj: RE: Ignition bypass > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:05:35 -0500 > From: Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com > To: Moontanman-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net; john-at-wagoneers.com; xj-at-digest.net > > Let's try again. Here is the link. > > http://www.geocities.com/jeep_images/electrical/push_button_ignition.jpg > > > Tom Potter > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > Moontanman-at-aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:15 PM > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net; john-at-wagoneers.com; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Ignition bypass > > Can any one help me find a wiring diagram to by pass my ignition switch > and > put a push button on my dash to allow me to start my jeep. I have a > short > somewhere in the ignition that allows the starter to engage when the > ignition > switch is turned on. I cannot find the short so I need to bypass the > switch. > 1991 Jeep Cherokee Laredo, > > Michael Hissom > aurea mediocritas > I did it, the starter still runs free when it is started up and will not shut off, at least I know it's not the ignition switch Michael Hissom Fanatic Sturgeon Nutcase (everyone needs a dream) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:15:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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Persons who read the list via email are automatically members, but readers of the FTP archive are not, and need to contact me (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) and get your name added to the list of "permitted senders". b) has your email address changed? some of you have had changes in your email address. your old address still works, and is still on the list, but your From: line shows a new address. this can happen for various reasons; you may have changed jobs or ISPs, and left a forward in place, or your IT staff may have fiddled with the email system. you will need to unsubscribe your old email address and subscribe the new one. this may require my involvement, if you can't figure out a way to get your old address off the list using the conventional majordomo commands. you can use the majordomo "which" command to probe for old addresses. send a message to majordomo-at-digest.net with one or more which commands in the body, one per line. to check for potential addresses for Fred Flinstone, formerly of bedrock.org, the following commands can be sent: which flintstone which bedrock note that the matches above might return any of the following addresses, if they appear in the list (in other words, you can use vagueness and incompleteness in your recollection as a tool): Fred.Flinstone-at-bedrock.org fflinstone-at-wilma.bedrock.org flintstonef-at-bedrock.com c) do you have more than one email address? if so, only the subscribed addresses can post, unless you contact me (see 1.a) above for relevant information) d) are you using (intentionally or accidentially) special "features" of your mail client? [this section is no longer operative, as the demime software now strips html, attachments, rich text format, etc. from postings automatically.] e) are your posts too large? there is a 10,000 character limit on posting sizes; this is done for various reasons. you can always split up large postings to get mail through. f) are you including majordomo commands at the start of your message? administrivia control is turned on; this is a trap for things like "unsubscribe" at the start of a message. try to avoid obvious majordomo commands in the subject and the first 10 lines, or misspell them in obvious ways (e.g. unzubscribe, 1ndex, h3lp, g3t, etc.) g) are you triggering spam traps? some things are red flags; for example, many phrases found commonly in spam are automatically blocked. h) are you using "funky" character sets? [7 bit restriction lifted experimentally on 8/2/00 -- film at 11] unfortunately, there are "issues" if i permit any character set other than old fashioned 7 level ASCII; therefore, you need to avoid national character sets that include various accents, umlauts, national currency characters such as the British pound symbol, etc. i) are you unintentionally including complete digests in your reply? You need to check and make sure you cut down replys to the minimal size; digests are between 20,000 and 25,000 characters in length, and if you include a complete digest in your reply, it clearly won't make the 10,000 character limit. By the way, this feature is intentional. j) Are you using a "bad" ISP or mail relay? See http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html for more information about Digest.Net policies about email. k) Is the error message you get back "User Unknown"? If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3185 **************************