From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Nov 7 12:48:06 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, November 7 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3194 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: RE: Gladiator Whitco soft camper top instructions fsj: dude, a vega fsj: RE: dude, a vega fsj: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans fsj: RE: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans fsj: WJ Diesel conversion. Re: fsj: RE: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans Re: fsj: RE: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans fsj: here we go... fsj: south dakota blizzard? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: Gladiator Whitco soft camper top instructions here's the link: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Gladiator-Whitco-softtop-instructions.pdf I'm sure that with a tube bender one could fabricate all those parts. What struck me as interesting is that those parts looked very much like the Bestop soft top I put on my '48 CJ-2A. I bet Bestop or other CJ softop makers would have comparable parts. Why don't you send some pictures of where you're at with your resto, will put 'em on my server... file names with no spaces and descriptive, recommend 1024x768 or smaller, but no smaller than 800x600... but don't force the images to those sizes, just resize using Bome's Image Resizer to 1024 on the longest side at 100% jpg quality. :) Folks force pictures to both dimensions and that results in some strange effects. But seeing as how you're from Texas you already knew that. ;) Where in Texas? Have a couple of friends and a sister in law in Houston... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Dennis Rhoades wrote: # Yes please post instruction up, not too many FSJ people probably doing # this kind of restoration. # # I have 1 spare rail, it's just aluminum angle iron with slotted holes # for snaps. The ends are cut and bent to a 90 degree shape to fit the # tailgate. # So not real hard to custom make some maybe? # # Not too hard to probably bend up some custom bows, but don't have length # in instructions, and they're at weird angles so top can be folded # forward. # # Also some of the bows telescope with push button thing like umbrella. # # I'm the guy in TX doing a 100 point NOS restoration on 15,550 mile # Gladiator. # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: dude, a vega there's a vega for sale! http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/908477180.html wow. I thought they all rusted or fell apart years and years ago... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:06:34 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon" Subject: fsj: RE: dude, a vega 231 V-6 or maybe 229 ? Interesting. I saw a beautiful Root Beer Vega in Port Aransas a few months ago. It's a really big car. - - Landon - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:42 PM To: diesel-benz list; full size jeep list Subject: fsj: dude, a vega there's a vega for sale! http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/908477180.html wow. I thought they all rusted or fell apart years and years ago... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans I'm looking at what engine will mate up to the 45RFE transmission in a '99 WJ. There are a lot of dead WJs out there... thinking a 603/602 '87-'92 vintage 2.5/3.0 TD from a Mercedes... the wrecking yards want nearly $2400 for a used engine to replace the 4.7L V8. I don't know why these things are failing... I've had two, no issues whatsoever... Anwyay, would a 4.0L bolt up to the 45rfe? (they used the 42re with the 4.0 in the WJs). What other Diesel, or economical gas engine could I use to replace a dead 4.7? thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:05:39 -0800 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: fsj: RE: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans Maybe the 2.7L from a Sprinter van will bolt up. Actually come to think of it, I think it uses a Mercedes trans. That is full-electronic trans, so I think you'd have a hard time getting it to work with anything other than a 4.7l. Joe H. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:07 PM To: WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz list Cc: full size jeep list; David Ashby; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; xj-list Subject: fsj: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans I'm looking at what engine will mate up to the 45RFE transmission in a '99 WJ. There are a lot of dead WJs out there... thinking a 603/602 '87-'92 vintage 2.5/3.0 TD from a Mercedes... the wrecking yards want nearly $2400 for a used engine to replace the 4.7L V8. I don't know why these things are failing... I've had two, no issues whatsoever... Anwyay, would a 4.0L bolt up to the 45rfe? (they used the 42re with the 4.0 in the WJs). What other Diesel, or economical gas engine could I use to replace a dead 4.7? thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:11:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: WJ Diesel conversion. A bit of research last night revealed that the Liberty Diesels will work. They were mated to the 45rfe and 545rfe transmissions. The concerns I have are related to the computers... this isn't like wiring in a fuel solenoid or a distributer to make it work, everything on these newer engines is controlled by the computer. I don't know if I could install a mechanical injection pump to bypass computers or not. Mating a KJ/CRD wiring to a WJ/4.7L V8 might not be possible. I'm not afraid of electronics or computers and if I had the data on inputs/outputs and electrical requirements could design and build an interface or computer system to make it all work. Getting that kind of information could prove impossible. The other option is to go with a Mercedes Diesel and mate it to the 45rfe, if possible. Otherwise get the 602/603 (2.5 I-5/3.0 I-6) with it's auto trans and fabricate a divorced transfer case mount into the Jeep NV247. If I have enough length. I've offered $1,500 for this WJ: http://wagoneers.com/WJ/rigs/1999-Limited-needs-engine/dead-wj.html I'm thinking it'll be less expensive, and less trouble to put a Diesel in my '83 J10. I've located a couple of 4.7L v8's for $2,500, I'd be into it about 5k after swapping and fixing... not sure I could sell it for that and not sure I could afford to drive it. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans if it's like that AW4 I can make a controller... need to talk to a tranny shop... using a Mercedes Diesel with it's AT might make the most sense and then either get an ML320 xfr case or make a divorced case setup. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # Maybe the 2.7L from a Sprinter van will bolt up. Actually come to think of # it, I think it uses a Mercedes trans. # # That is full-electronic trans, so I think you'd have a hard time getting it # to work with anything other than a 4.7l. # # Joe H. # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:07 PM # To: WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz list # Cc: full size jeep list; David Ashby; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; xj-list # Subject: fsj: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans # # I'm looking at what engine will mate up to the 45RFE transmission in a '99 # WJ. # # There are a lot of dead WJs out there... thinking a 603/602 '87-'92 vintage # 2.5/3.0 TD from # a Mercedes... # # the wrecking yards want nearly $2400 for a used engine to replace the 4.7L # V8. # # I don't know why these things are failing... I've had two, no issues # whatsoever... # # Anwyay, would a 4.0L bolt up to the 45rfe? (they used the 42re with the 4.0 # in the WJs). # # What other Diesel, or economical gas engine could I use to replace a dead # 4.7? # # thanx, # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans sounds like if I go that route I'll need engine and trans... this sounds expensive. I wonder if I could use most of the computers on the WJ for climate control, cruise, etc., but wire an engine/trans separately. fixing the engine might be the easiest solution, but then I couldn't afford to drive it. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # Maybe the 2.7L from a Sprinter van will bolt up. Actually come to think of # it, I think it uses a Mercedes trans. # # That is full-electronic trans, so I think you'd have a hard time getting it # to work with anything other than a 4.7l. # # Joe H. # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:07 PM # To: WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz list # Cc: full size jeep list; David Ashby; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; xj-list # Subject: fsj: '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans # # I'm looking at what engine will mate up to the 45RFE transmission in a '99 # WJ. # # There are a lot of dead WJs out there... thinking a 603/602 '87-'92 vintage # 2.5/3.0 TD from # a Mercedes... # # the wrecking yards want nearly $2400 for a used engine to replace the 4.7L # V8. # # I don't know why these things are failing... I've had two, no issues # whatsoever... # # Anwyay, would a 4.0L bolt up to the 45rfe? (they used the 42re with the 4.0 # in the WJs). # # What other Diesel, or economical gas engine could I use to replace a dead # 4.7? # # thanx, # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: here we go... always wanted one of these: :) http://oly4x4.com/onevehicle.php?id=668400 ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: south dakota blizzard? is south dakota getting some snow? listening to one report heard of 20' drifts! sounds like Jeep weather to me. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3194 **************************