From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Nov 13 19:50:06 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, November 14 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3199 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: xj: Diesel engine ideas fsj: RE: Diesel engine ideas fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas fsj: OT - unix sys admins - seattle? fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas RE: fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Diesel engine ideas thanx, will check it out later... this TDI idea might have some merit, what's the axle ratio used in the WJ/XJ over there with the Diesels? if it's 3.73, which I would suspect, then this just might work out... :) the WJ weighs about 4100lbs... might be a bit much, but as an interim solution it might work... then move the TDI to an XJ... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Hey John, # # No harm in asking George what he'd do an engine for price wise.. worth # having a chat with him about it at least (v.nice guy BTW!) # http://ccgi.vmspecialists.plus.com/release/home.php?id=5238355504f3b9491b7d5505709 # # Steve # # On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:56 AM, john wrote: # # > just called the folks down in CA below # > and have a number of Diesel options from Europe available... # > # > he thinks that Kennedy engine adapters would have an adapater to mate a TDI # > to # > the 45RFE! http://www.kennedyeng.com/vw_por.htm # > # > I'm not convinced that a 1.9L TDI would be enough for a WJ... 90-110hp... # > maybe... 3 to 4k is about what it'll run with the ECU... he could get me # > a 3.0 Mercedes CRD like the kind used in the WK as well... about 4.5K # > though... # > # > something to ponder... still no word that I'm the new owner of the dead # > WJ... I'm # > not going to go looking for trouble... ;) # > # > but this TDI idea for an XJ might be pretty workable... wonder if it # > would work in my J10... probably not... 4,100lbs of full size jeep # > probably # > wouldn't be very motivated by 90hp out of a 1.9L... :) # > # > Diesel dreams live on... :) considering the cost of a gas engine, or the # > hassles of rebuilding a gas engine, this might be a viable solution should # > the wj find it's way into my shop... :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- # > From: john # > # > fyi... # > # > # > VW Engines Complete Diesel-Turbo Diesel-TDI - $699 (5113 Brooks St. # > Montclair, CA 91763) # > Reply to: sale-915326595-at-craigslist.org [?] # > Date: 2008-11-11, 4:17PM PST # > # > # > I have These Complete motors in Stock and can ship to a commercial address. # > (customer pays shipping).We are a direct Importer from Germany. I personally # > drop the engines and Transmission from Vehicles I purchase in Germany. The # > engines are complete low mileage and come with a 3 month warranty. In # > Business since 1984, German owned. I have in stock 1600 Diesel Engines # > $699.00 and up. 1600 Turbo Diesel $1500.00 and up, 1900 Turbo Diesel engines # > $2400.00 and up and 1900 TDI engines $2400.00 and up. I have transmissions # > starting as low as $650.00. These engines would be great for your Rabbit # > Pickup, Golf, Jetta, Passat, Vanagon, Westy, Camper or Sazuki Samurai # > conversions. I have in stock starters, mounts, timing belts, conversion # > kits, clutch kits, tanks, ECU's. CALL ME 909-624-6979 OR Visit us Quality # > German Auto Parts # > 5113 Brooks St. # > Montclair, Ca 91763 # > 909-624-6979 # > www.qualitygermanautoparts.com # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: Diesel engine ideas the WJ weighs in around 3950. my J10 stepside is around 4100. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, michel balea wrote: # # The golf TDI has a curb weight 2900-3000lbs.... this is a 03 figure... # # Michel # 74 wag # # > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:09:31 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: xj-at-digest.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Diesel engine ideas # > # > thanx, will check it out later... # > # > this TDI idea might have some merit, what's the axle ratio used # > in the WJ/XJ over there with the Diesels? if it's 3.73, which # > I would suspect, then this just might work out... :) # > # > the WJ weighs about 4100lbs... might be a bit much, but as an interim # > solution it might work... then move the TDI to an XJ... :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # Hey John, # > # # > # No harm in asking George what he'd do an engine for price wise.. worth # > # having a chat with him about it at least (v.nice guy BTW!) # > # http://ccgi.vmspecialists.plus.com/release/home.php?id=5238355504f3b9491b7d5505709 # > # # > # Steve # > # # > # On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:56 AM, john wrote: # > # # > # > just called the folks down in CA below # > # > and have a number of Diesel options from Europe available... # > # > # > # > he thinks that Kennedy engine adapters would have an adapater to mate a TDI # > # > to # > # > the 45RFE! http://www.kennedyeng.com/vw_por.htm # > # > # > # > I'm not convinced that a 1.9L TDI would be enough for a WJ... 90-110hp... # > # > maybe... 3 to 4k is about what it'll run with the ECU... he could get me # > # > a 3.0 Mercedes CRD like the kind used in the WK as well... about 4.5K # > # > though... # > # > # > # > something to ponder... still no word that I'm the new owner of the dead # > # > WJ... I'm # > # > not going to go looking for trouble... ;) # > # > # > # > but this TDI idea for an XJ might be pretty workable... wonder if it # > # > would work in my J10... probably not... 4,100lbs of full size jeep # > # > probably # > # > wouldn't be very motivated by 90hp out of a 1.9L... :) # > # > # > # > Diesel dreams live on... :) considering the cost of a gas engine, or the # > # > hassles of rebuilding a gas engine, this might be a viable solution should # > # > the wj find it's way into my shop... :) # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- # > # > From: john # > # > # > # > fyi... # > # > # > # > # > # > VW Engines Complete Diesel-Turbo Diesel-TDI - $699 (5113 Brooks St. # > # > Montclair, CA 91763) # > # > Reply to: sale-915326595-at-craigslist.org [?] # > # > Date: 2008-11-11, 4:17PM PST # > # > # > # > # > # > I have These Complete motors in Stock and can ship to a commercial address. # > # > (customer pays shipping).We are a direct Importer from Germany. I personally # > # > drop the engines and Transmission from Vehicles I purchase in Germany. The # > # > engines are complete low mileage and come with a 3 month warranty. In # > # > Business since 1984, German owned. I have in stock 1600 Diesel Engines # > # > $699.00 and up. 1600 Turbo Diesel $1500.00 and up, 1900 Turbo Diesel engines # > # > $2400.00 and up and 1900 TDI engines $2400.00 and up. I have transmissions # > # > starting as low as $650.00. These engines would be great for your Rabbit # > # > Pickup, Golf, Jetta, Passat, Vanagon, Westy, Camper or Sazuki Samurai # > # > conversions. I have in stock starters, mounts, timing belts, conversion # > # > kits, clutch kits, tanks, ECU's. CALL ME 909-624-6979 OR Visit us Quality # > # > German Auto Parts # > # > 5113 Brooks St. # > # > Montclair, Ca 91763 # > # > 909-624-6979 # > # > www.qualitygermanautoparts.com # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. # http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:15:20 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas what, you didn't see Joe's Willys pickup with the Cummins in it? it's sitting on a late '70's Cherokee chassis: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-22-transfer-cases-n-old-cars/JoesToys/ALL.html a buddy of mine is setting up his '56 Willys Panel for a 6.2L Diesel... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # OH! And, that copy of Diesel World is worth the price just to see # the pics of a 50's Willys pickup with a Cummins six cylinder in it!! # It is COOL!! Makes me wonder....... # ;) # # Jim # # --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > From: Jim Hoffman # > Subject: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 7:37 AM # > Just picked up the latest copy of Diesel World magazine last # > night. # > What caught my eye was the cover article on "Diesel # > Engine Swaps" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: OT - unix sys admins - seattle? any unix sys admins looking for work in the seattle area? several headhunters have been calling me for a few days now... :) think it's in the canyon park area... one of the wireless companies... one month in one those SA positions is like a year anywhere else... ;) great place for experience... if it's the place I'm thinking it'd be a decent gig... I may know the mgr... drop me a line and I'll put you in touch... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas # I wouldn't be surprised if a WJ with the 3.0 would get the same mileage as Shadowfax. now we're talking... :) no word if I'm getting the WJ yet... but the research could apply to SuperDawg as well. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Andreas Kreft wrote: # Am Dunnersdag 13 November 2008, hest Du schrieven: # # Hi, # # > I'm not convinced that a 1.9L TDI would be enough for a WJ... # > 90-110hp... maybe... 3 to 4k is about what it'll run with the ECU... he # # I haven't got a problem with underpowered Diesel vehicles (drove many and # liked it), but a 1,9TDI in a WJ cries for grossly underpowered # disaster ;-) # # > could get me a 3.0 Mercedes CRD like the kind used in the WK as well... # > about 4.5K though... # # Nice. You can get a used one one for 4.5K here too, Euros that is... # # Do these guys also have an adapter for bolting that engine onto the WJ's # 45RFE ? Well, then, the only disadvantage of this car-drivetrain combo # would be the price. The 3.0 is a really smooth running engine with very # few, if any, vibrations (which means no NVH issues as with Omega). Tons of # thrust and lovely mileage. I wouldn't be surprised if a WJ with the 3.0 would get the same mileage as Shadowfax. # # ndreas # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:18:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas only 16 in town? can almost do that with a 4.7... highway best is 21 though... I have a lead foot too... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Andreas Kreft wrote: # On Dunnersdag 13 November 2008, john hat schrieven: # # > # I wouldn't be surprised if a WJ with the 3.0 would get the same # > mileage as Shadowfax. # > # > now we're talking... :) # # Sorry, was a bit too optimistic :( # # Just looked up test data of a 2,7 CDI WJ and a 3,0 CDI WK, both with five # speed autos. The WK is significantly faster, but they get the same # mileage: # # > Testverbrauch min/max/ges 9,1/14,9/12,7 L/D # > http://www.einszweidrei.de/chrysler/jeepgc30crdlim2005-1.htm # # This translates to min/max/avg consumption of 26/16/18.5 mpg according to # Auto Motor und Sport magazine. They are a bunch of lead-footers, like the # folks at Car and Driver. Constant freeway cruising should really result in # 28 to 30 mpg. # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas that would be acceptable, anything in the 20's is fine by me. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Andreas Kreft wrote: # Am Dunnersdag 13 November 2008, hest Du schrieven: # # > only 16 in town? can almost do that with a 4.7... highway # > best is 21 though... # # The max consumption figure is probably not the result of town driving. # According to the Automotorsport folks, their max test number is a result # of hearty Autobahn driving :-) # # The avg number of 20 should be achievable in town. My dad's associate has a # 2001 ML 270 CDI and gets about 22 in town. # # > I have a lead foot too... :) # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas my buddy in Ohio says gas it $1.83 there... it's $2.27 for the cheap stuff here still... we're heading down to Portland in the WJ tomorrow... the Mercedes seats are a pain, the Blazer's 4" exhaust is too loud... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # *** Today in Stockton I refilled my truck with 89-octane at $2.10 a gallon. # Outstanding! # # - Jerry Kaidor # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:48:26 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas I got my regular gas at Costco for $2.20 tonight. I'm planning to see if I can get my car back through the receding waters between my home and my cabin tomorrow. I hope to get some other stuff done while I'm out there too. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:01:35 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jerry-at-tr4.tr2.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas > > my buddy in Ohio says gas it $1.83 there... > > it's $2.27 for the cheap stuff here still... we're heading down > to Portland in the WJ tomorrow... the Mercedes seats are a pain, > the Blazer's 4" exhaust is too loud... ;) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > # *** Today in Stockton I refilled my truck with 89-octane at $2.10 a gallon. > # Outstanding! > # > # - Jerry Kaidor > # _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3199 **************************