From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Feb 9 19:32:26 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, February 10 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3261 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: now the javelin is gone... fsj: jeep options - cj-10a / YJ fsj: cj-10a / YJ fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ fsj: Re: climate ctrl RE: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ RE: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ RE: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:55:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: now the javelin is gone... mark just sold his '74 javelin... that means he's getting a driveshaft and hubs for the '67 J100 panel, and it's no longer for sale... have a guy interested in the cj-10a, doesn't want the front clip or drivetrain, just the cab... talking about bringing a YJ tub... if he brings an axle and frame we might be able to build two jeeps out of the parts... :) so, we can actually move wheelbarrows around in the driveway... only 6 vehicles here... only 1 more to return... and 1 to go... :) john -o|||||o- 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 15 mpg 4.7L V8/45RFE/NV247 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) 29 mpg 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) 1975 Jeep J10 long bed (SJ) hydraulic dump trailer in work: 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) 14 mpg 4.2/T-5/NP208 (Superdawg) 1986 CJ-10A 3.3L Diesel/AT - for sale - $4500 -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html 1967 Jeep J100 (SJ)Panel 232/T-85/D20 (Mark's) 1985 Mercedes 300D (123) 3.0L TD (Mark's) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:20:18 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: jeep options - cj-10a / YJ have a guy interested in my '86 cj-10a cab... will leave me with the engine/trans, fenders/front clip... etc. found an '88 YJ with a seized engine... it was assembled with bits and pieces from an '89 and '91... looks complete, needs paint... has 33's (will swap out for smaller size). The tub and interior look decent. Would use the Diesel drivetrain in it... or possibly swap/repair the 4.0L... anyway, looking at pictures I've gathered showing YJs and my CJ-10A: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/YJ/an-experimental-YJ.jpg trying to decide if I'd actually use the cj-10a front clip, the hoods are different... and I actually think the YJ may look better. I don't think I could just add the CJ-10A fenders to the YJ... if I could then I'd have four headlights, might be useful... :) but I think it would look uglier than either of them... we'll see how the cj-10a project works out... :) with the blazer and the javelin gone and the J10s 105 miles away there's room in the drive for a project. ;) Or at least a parts festival... could probably sell the Dana 70 rear axle and other parts... The YJ would work out nicely for Biodiesel/WVO runs... hard top, automatic... a rear gate that looks easy to use. There's a hitch on the '88 YJ, bumper type, would be able to add a reciever hitch and mount my barrel lift. you can see it mounted to the back of my J10 trailer: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/11-Nov-16-wvo-run-to-Arlington/P1070853.jpg Thoughts? (besides those about my sanity. ;) Should I keep the YJ front end stock or use the CJ-10a? The 3.3L Diesel and 727/np208 should drop right in, and should move the YJ around reasonably well. I would think the YJ is lighter than the CJ-10A. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: cj-10a / YJ curb weight on the YJ is supposed to be 2934 lbs... suspect that's with the 2.5L. that beats the cj-10a's 6,000lbs... with the ballast and bumpers gone expect it still weighs over 4,200lbs. john Wrangler YJ specs: Wheelbase: 93.4 in Track, f/r: 57.0/57.0 in Brakes, f/r: Disc/Drum, Opt: ABS Tires: 205/75R15 Opt: 215/75R15, 225/75R15 Length/Width/Ht: Hardtop: 151.9/66.0/69.5 in Soft-top: 151.9/66.0/71.9 in Min. Ground Clearance: 8.4 in Min. Curb Weight: 2934 lb Max. Cargo Capacity: 53.4 cu ft Max. Towing Rating: 2000 lb Fuel Economy, City/Hwy: 19/20 mpg ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, diesel john wrote: # have a guy interested in my '86 cj-10a cab... will leave me with the engine/trans, # fenders/front clip... etc. # # found an '88 YJ with a seized engine... it was assembled with bits and pieces from # an '89 and '91... looks complete, needs paint... has 33's (will swap out for smaller size). # The tub and interior look decent. Would use the Diesel drivetrain in it... or possibly # swap/repair the 4.0L... # # anyway, looking at pictures I've gathered showing YJs and my CJ-10A: # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/YJ/an-experimental-YJ.jpg # trying to decide if I'd actually use the cj-10a front clip, the hoods # are different... and I actually think the YJ may look better. I don't think I could # just add the CJ-10A fenders to the YJ... if I could then I'd have four headlights, # might be useful... :) but I think it would look uglier than either of them... # # we'll see how the cj-10a project works out... :) with the blazer and the javelin gone # and the J10s 105 miles away there's room in the drive for a project. ;) # Or at least a parts festival... could probably sell the Dana 70 rear axle and other parts... # # The YJ would work out nicely for Biodiesel/WVO runs... hard top, automatic... a rear # gate that looks easy to use. There's a hitch on the '88 YJ, bumper type, would be # able to add a reciever hitch and mount my barrel lift. # you can see it mounted to the back of my J10 trailer: # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/11-Nov-16-wvo-run-to-Arlington/P1070853.jpg # # Thoughts? (besides those about my sanity. ;) Should I keep the YJ front end # stock or use the CJ-10a? The 3.3L Diesel and 727/np208 should drop right in, # and should move the YJ around reasonably well. I would think the YJ is lighter # than the CJ-10A. # # john # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ excellent, this is very promising... I like the idea of going Diesel in a Jeep... rather than some other make... if this works it'll be my daily driver... I like this idea... :) I know what you mean about the XJs... looked at one over the weekend, not very promising at all... I've been toying around with a very nice '89 GW, but they're so heavy... the YJ has a lot of potential... hard top makes it nicer for daily driver... especially in this climate... I'm pumped... :) this swap could be done in a weekend theoretically... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Kevin wrote: # Aside from incredibly light duty axles (woohoo, dana 30 with tiny u-joints, # and a dana 35 in the rear), the YJ might prove an easier swap. # - that vintage is carbed, so less worry about computers that get annoyed # - that vehicle was designed with a straight six in mind, unlike the XJ (which # I just spent a weekend putting a 4.0 in, still have wiring to sort out), # and engine work on a wrangler is a LOT easier than a cherokee # - that vehicle is already set up for a three speed torqueflight, so probably # wouldn't be too bad putting in the 727, assuming you don't run out of # length. On a YJ or TJ, the rear drieshaft is TINY without a slip yoke # eliminator. Think of it as an XJ with ten inches removed from the # wheelbase, and all of it between the transfercase and rear axle :) # # I'd start with one with a 258, which would give you a greater likelihood of # taller gears (meaning your lack of overdrive isn't going to hurt with the # diesel). # # On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:24:19AM -0800, diesel john wrote: # > curb weight on the YJ is supposed to be 2934 lbs... suspect that's with the 2.5L. # > that beats the cj-10a's 6,000lbs... with the ballast and bumpers gone expect it # > still weighs over 4,200lbs. # > # > john # > # > Wrangler YJ specs: # > # > Wheelbase: 93.4 in # > Track, f/r: 57.0/57.0 in # > Brakes, f/r: Disc/Drum, Opt: ABS # > Tires: 205/75R15 Opt: 215/75R15, 225/75R15 # > # > Length/Width/Ht: Hardtop: 151.9/66.0/69.5 in # > Soft-top: 151.9/66.0/71.9 in # > Min. Ground Clearance: 8.4 in # > Min. Curb Weight: 2934 lb # > Max. Cargo Capacity: 53.4 cu ft # > Max. Towing Rating: 2000 lb # > # > Fuel Economy, # > City/Hwy: 19/20 mpg # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:07:44 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: climate ctrl the problem "yours" has? I started reading through this procedure, guess this will be a good time to replace those burned out dash lights... oh my goodness... let's disassemble the Jeep this weekend... I haven't gotten down to the heater core yet... on the Ford Taurus's you need to remove the a/c connection to get the heater core out, hope the WJ doesn't require that... have you read that far ahead? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Dan Black wrote: # Greeeeeat. This is probably the problem mine has: # http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm # # I just love disassembling dashes. # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; # I am a vegetarian because I hate plants. # -- A. Whitney Brown # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:10:27 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ 88 YJ may be a renix TBI..... and definitively Hard doors are a must and Hard Top is a lot quieter and warmer. As for gearing the 2.5 came w 4.11..... Michel > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:50:11 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > CC: DZAshby-at-comcast.net; xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ > > excellent, this is very promising... I like the idea of going > Diesel in a Jeep... rather than some other make... if this works it'll > be my daily driver... I like this idea... :) > > I know what you mean about the XJs... looked at one over the weekend, not > very promising at all... I've been toying around with a very nice '89 GW, > but they're so heavy... the YJ has a lot of potential... hard top makes it > nicer for daily driver... especially in this climate... I'm pumped... :) > this swap could be done in a weekend theoretically... > > john > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Kevin wrote: > > # Aside from incredibly light duty axles (woohoo, dana 30 with tiny u-joints, > # and a dana 35 in the rear), the YJ might prove an easier swap. > # - that vintage is carbed, so less worry about computers that get annoyed > # - that vehicle was designed with a straight six in mind, unlike the XJ (which > # I just spent a weekend putting a 4.0 in, still have wiring to sort out), > # and engine work on a wrangler is a LOT easier than a cherokee > # - that vehicle is already set up for a three speed torqueflight, so probably > # wouldn't be too bad putting in the 727, assuming you don't run out of > # length. On a YJ or TJ, the rear drieshaft is TINY without a slip yoke > # eliminator. Think of it as an XJ with ten inches removed from the > # wheelbase, and all of it between the transfercase and rear axle :) > # > # I'd start with one with a 258, which would give you a greater likelihood of > # taller gears (meaning your lack of overdrive isn't going to hurt with the > # diesel). > # > # On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:24:19AM -0800, diesel john wrote: > # > curb weight on the YJ is supposed to be 2934 lbs... suspect that's with the 2.5L. > # > that beats the cj-10a's 6,000lbs... with the ballast and bumpers gone expect it > # > still weighs over 4,200lbs. > # > > # > john > # > > # > Wrangler YJ specs: > # > > # > Wheelbase: 93.4 in > # > Track, f/r: 57.0/57.0 in > # > Brakes, f/r: Disc/Drum, Opt: ABS > # > Tires: 205/75R15 Opt: 215/75R15, 225/75R15 > # > > # > Length/Width/Ht: Hardtop: 151.9/66.0/69.5 in > # > Soft-top: 151.9/66.0/71.9 in > # > Min. Ground Clearance: 8.4 in > # > Min. Curb Weight: 2934 lb > # > Max. Cargo Capacity: 53.4 cu ft > # > Max. Towing Rating: 2000 lb > # > > # > Fuel Economy, > # > City/Hwy: 19/20 mpg > # _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 9 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:27:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ an '88 would have been a 4.2L carb'd unit... not likely to have a renix until '91 and by then they would have switched to the newer computer. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # 88 YJ may be a renix TBI..... and definitively Hard doors are a must and Hard # Top is a lot quieter and warmer. As for gearing the 2.5 came w 4.11..... # # Michel # # > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:50:11 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > CC: DZAshby-at-comcast.net; xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; # diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ # > # > excellent, this is very promising... I like the idea of going # > Diesel in a Jeep... rather than some other make... if this works it'll # > be my daily driver... I like this idea... :) # > # > I know what you mean about the XJs... looked at one over the weekend, not # > very promising at all... I've been toying around with a very nice '89 GW, # > but they're so heavy... the YJ has a lot of potential... hard top makes it # > nicer for daily driver... especially in this climate... I'm pumped... :) # > this swap could be done in a weekend theoretically... # > # > john # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Kevin wrote: # > # > # Aside from incredibly light duty axles (woohoo, dana 30 with tiny # u-joints, # > # and a dana 35 in the rear), the YJ might prove an easier swap. # > # - that vintage is carbed, so less worry about computers that get # annoyed # > # - that vehicle was designed with a straight six in mind, unlike the XJ # (which # > # I just spent a weekend putting a 4.0 in, still have wiring to sort # out), # > # and engine work on a wrangler is a LOT easier than a cherokee # > # - that vehicle is already set up for a three speed torqueflight, so # probably # > # wouldn't be too bad putting in the 727, assuming you don't run out of # > # length. On a YJ or TJ, the rear drieshaft is TINY without a slip yoke # > # eliminator. Think of it as an XJ with ten inches removed from the # > # wheelbase, and all of it between the transfercase and rear axle :) # > # # > # I'd start with one with a 258, which would give you a greater likelihood # of # > # taller gears (meaning your lack of overdrive isn't going to hurt with the # > # diesel). # > # # > # On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:24:19AM -0800, diesel john wrote: # > # > curb weight on the YJ is supposed to be 2934 lbs... suspect that's with # the 2.5L. # > # > that beats the cj-10a's 6,000lbs... with the ballast and bumpers gone # expect it # > # > still weighs over 4,200lbs. # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > Wrangler YJ specs: # > # > # > # > Wheelbase: 93.4 in # > # > Track, f/r: 57.0/57.0 in # > # > Brakes, f/r: Disc/Drum, Opt: ABS # > # > Tires: 205/75R15 Opt: 215/75R15, 225/75R15 # > # > # > # > Length/Width/Ht: Hardtop: 151.9/66.0/69.5 in # > # > Soft-top: 151.9/66.0/71.9 in # > # > Min. Ground Clearance: 8.4 in # > # > Min. Curb Weight: 2934 lb # > # > Max. Cargo Capacity: 53.4 cu ft # > # > Max. Towing Rating: 2000 lb # > # > # > # > Fuel Economy, # > # > City/Hwy: 19/20 mpg # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. # http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 # 9 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:23:25 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ Renix was out in 91. My 90 is renix. Michel > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:27:07 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; dzashby-at-comcast.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ > > an '88 would have been a 4.2L carb'd unit... not likely to have a > renix until '91 and by then they would have switched to the newer computer. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Michel Balea wrote: > > # 88 YJ may be a renix TBI..... and definitively Hard doors are a must and Hard > # Top is a lot quieter and warmer. As for gearing the 2.5 came w 4.11..... > # > # Michel > # > # > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:50:11 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > # > CC: DZAshby-at-comcast.net; xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; > # diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] cj-10a / YJ > # > > # > excellent, this is very promising... I like the idea of going > # > Diesel in a Jeep... rather than some other make... if this works it'll > # > be my daily driver... I like this idea... :) > # > > # > I know what you mean about the XJs... looked at one over the weekend, not > # > very promising at all... I've been toying around with a very nice '89 GW, > # > but they're so heavy... the YJ has a lot of potential... hard top makes it > # > nicer for daily driver... especially in this climate... I'm pumped... :) > # > this swap could be done in a weekend theoretically... > # > > # > john > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Kevin wrote: > # > > # > # Aside from incredibly light duty axles (woohoo, dana 30 with tiny > # u-joints, > # > # and a dana 35 in the rear), the YJ might prove an easier swap. > # > # - that vintage is carbed, so less worry about computers that get > # annoyed > # > # - that vehicle was designed with a straight six in mind, unlike the XJ > # (which > # > # I just spent a weekend putting a 4.0 in, still have wiring to sort > # out), > # > # and engine work on a wrangler is a LOT easier than a cherokee > # > # - that vehicle is already set up for a three speed torqueflight, so > # probably > # > # wouldn't be too bad putting in the 727, assuming you don't run out of > # > # length. On a YJ or TJ, the rear drieshaft is TINY without a slip yoke > # > # eliminator. Think of it as an XJ with ten inches removed from the > # > # wheelbase, and all of it between the transfercase and rear axle :) > # > # > # > # I'd start with one with a 258, which would give you a greater likelihood > # of > # > # taller gears (meaning your lack of overdrive isn't going to hurt with the > # > # diesel). > # > # > # > # On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:24:19AM -0800, diesel john wrote: > # > # > curb weight on the YJ is supposed to be 2934 lbs... suspect that's with > # the 2.5L. > # > # > that beats the cj-10a's 6,000lbs... with the ballast and bumpers gone > # expect it > # > # > still weighs over 4,200lbs. > # > # > > # > # > john > # > # > > # > # > Wrangler YJ specs: > # > # > > # > # > Wheelbase: 93.4 in > # > # > Track, f/r: 57.0/57.0 in > # > # > Brakes, f/r: Disc/Drum, Opt: ABS > # > # > Tires: 205/75R15 Opt: 215/75R15, 225/75R15 > # > # > > # > # > Length/Width/Ht: Hardtop: 151.9/66.0/69.5 in > # > # > Soft-top: 151.9/66.0/71.9 in > # > # > Min. Ground Clearance: 8.4 in > # > # > Min. Curb Weight: 2934 lb > # > # > Max. Cargo Capacity: 53.4 cu ft > # > # > Max. Towing Rating: 2000 lb > # > # > > # > # > Fuel Economy, > # > # > City/Hwy: 19/20 mpg > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. > # http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 > # 9 > # _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 9 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3261 **************************