From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Feb 28 01:07:19 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, February 28 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3274 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: box ideas RE: fsj: box ideas fsj: project funding activity fsj: an '84 Grand Wagoneer near Tacoma RE: fsj: RE: gear ratios '84 GW? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: box ideas On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Dave Bell wrote: # Have you considered mounting the gas tank down low between the frame # rails behind the axle--like on an old Commando or CJ5? That's what we # had hoped to trying on ours. But you are quite a bit farther along # than we are, so you may have already eliminated this idea. We were # hoping to drop all of the extra mounting "tabs" from the ballast and # original tank and then re-mount the tank between the frame rails to # allow a full bed like off of an old 1/4 ton ww2 trailer. # # Dave Bell I like your idea... actually thinking of putting the tank under the frame forward of the axle... that way I can drop the bed lower behind the axle to allow barrels to stand upright, but low... a full barrel of WVO will weigh around 450lbs, give or take a bit, depending on how many french fries ended up in the mix. ;) Another friend suggested flipping the tank up on it's side, but that would require replumbing... there is that dead space under where the ballast was... thought about wacking off the tabs for the ballast, but those are the bed supports. I was planning on using the existing bed, but it's got a lot of dips and doodles and weighs a lot... putting the tank down low and notching part of the sides/back of the box to allow barrels to sit low. The distance between the spring perches is 39"... frame sits in of that about 6" or so... leaving me about 27" or so between the rails (give or take, estimating at this point), a barrel is 24", so I could get one barrel in that "notch". If I lift the barrels up, I can easily put two side by side... usually I run two barrels up to my friend's biodiesel still... over 30 miles one way, don't want to make two trips. I may be buying a complete grand wagoneer instead of axles this weekend... found one for a couple hundred more than the axles... anyway, I may use part of the floor in the back... ;) or not... It may be another nice GW and I don't want to destroy one for a few parts... I could use plywood, but it'll get really slimy in this climate, and add WVO and Biodiesel to that and I'll hurt myself. Taking this thing down to frame height and building a flat platform might be better... lower CG... easier access... hanging the tank, or using one from the GW or maybe, a 40 gal tank from a Suburban a friend and I will be parting out... :) Anyone have a 4x5 sheet of diamond plating they don't have a use for? :) have torch and welder... and big hammers... pretty much a blank canvas that is about 4 feet by 5 feet... :) Maybe I'll start off by cutting off the fenders and parts of the side and back and seeing what I have left... no one in their right mind would want a 7' wide box for anything... so wacking the fenders off will leave it more useful, and probably a bit lighter too... I think if a small car hit one of those fenders it would be ripped to shreds... not sure why they used such heavy steel... I guess they were trying to add weight. this will be fun... :) but first, axles, driveshafts and making it go... then I'll be creative... looking forward to driving this thing... enjoyed it's maiden voyage to work... it's unique, sits up high in traffic, and even with the heavy springs rode decently... love the sound of that little Diesel, it's such a happy little engine... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # --- In CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com, diesel john wrote: # > # > # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2008_Dec_29_bed_n_ballast_removal/ALL.html # > # > looking at the frame with the box off and trying to decide how to # modify it when I # > swap axles... # > # > a barrel is 24" in diameter and about 35" tall. # > # > the bed is 5' wide, has a 19" section in front that sits down 3.5" # below the main deck. # > The ballast used to be under it... then from there back about 28" is # the bed that # > sits over the fuel tank. # > # > I've looked at the pictures and am trying to decide if I want to cut # and reweld # > fuel tank mounts and move them forward so I can slide a barrel # between the # > frame rails in back... or if I just want to lift it up to the main # deck... # > # > I have a tool box that will sit nicely on the 19" wide front part... if # > I cut the back wall off the box and mount a reciever hitch on the back # > I can use my barrel lift to get the barrels up to the 28" long deck over # > the fuel tank... it's heavy steel, no problem with weight... my # > concern is the barrel of oil will be sitting up pretty high at that # point. # > I can strap it down... # > # > Another option is to notch the bed in the back far enough to get a # barrel # > pushed up against the fuel tank and maybe hanging off the back a # bit... that # > will keep the weight low. # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: box ideas amen. :) the HP-UX class may not happen... it's snowing, so gardening will be limited this weekend... almost done with taxes... so let the metal chips fly. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Potter, Tom E wrote: # OK. Break out the popcorn; this could run for a while. :) # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # john # Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:40 AM # To: Jim Blair # Cc: David Ashby; local Jeep list # Subject: RE: fsj: box ideas # # the frame is from a Wagoneer... there is only 47" of length behind # the cab... 5' of width... # # looks like about 28" max to the rear axle from the back of the frame, # will try to put all the measurements into a drawing and on my server # so we can see... # # moving the fuel tank might help, hard to say... # # thanx, # john # # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # # # # I would see if the Jtruck or Wagoneer frame is the same and make it # into a # shortbox stepside with a folding floor, but that's just me! Set it up # with a # sideways tilt bed so you can put the barrel under the back. Maybe a hand # crank # lift for the barrel. (could be just the bug I have is making me think # it's a # good idea) # # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # # # # # > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:41:00 -0800 # # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # # > To: # # > Subject: fsj: box ideas # # > # # > # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2008_Dec_29_bed_n_ballast_remov # al/AL # L.html # # > # # > looking at the frame with the box off and trying to decide how to # modify # it when I # # > swap axles... # # > # # > a barrel is 24" in diameter and about 35" tall. # # > # # > the bed is 5' wide, has a 19" section in front that sits down 3.5" # below # the main deck. # # > The ballast used to be under it... then from there back about 28" # is the # bed that # # > sits over the fuel tank. # # > # # > I've looked at the pictures and am trying to decide if I want to # cut and # reweld # # > fuel tank mounts and move them forward so I can slide a barrel # between # the # # > frame rails in back... or if I just want to lift it up to the main # deck... # # > # # > I have a tool box that will sit nicely on the 19" wide front # part... if # # > I cut the back wall off the box and mount a reciever hitch on the # back # # > I can use my barrel lift to get the barrels up to the 28" long deck # over # # > the fuel tank... it's heavy steel, no problem with weight... my # # > concern is the barrel of oil will be sitting up pretty high at that # point. # # > I can strap it down... # # > # # > Another option is to notch the bed in the back far enough to get a # barrel # # > pushed up against the fuel tank and maybe hanging off the back a # bit... # that # # > will keep the weight low. # # > # # > john # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > ----- # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # http://creationwiki.org # # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # http://fotomeister.us # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # # _________________________________________________________________ # # Windows Live(TM) Hotmail....more than just e-mail. # # # http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_ # howit # works_022009 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:45:26 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: project funding activity need funds for project (and popcorn) ... put '67 J100 Panel on ebay... :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160318497884 bid early, bid often... the project you fund may cost you in popcorn... :) hoping to get axles under the '86 CJ-10A this weekend... also need to change the fuel filter(s), drove it to dinner tonight and barely made it home... 25 mph up some of the hills... barely 35 down the clearview hill. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:03:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: an '84 Grand Wagoneer near Tacoma found this jeep... near Tacoma, WA http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1049530078.html (details below) Was thinking about getting this jeep for the axles and a few other parts... however, found a pair of axles already out of the vehicle that are being delivered tomorrow... Still makes more economic sense to buy the entire jeep for a just a bit more... but this way I don't have to explain to my wife why there is YAJITY... (yet another jeep in the yard)... If the driveshaft will bolt up, or one of my driveshafts will bolt up, will be driving the tug pretty soon. ;) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/johns-cj-10a.jpg The guy's name with the GW is Drew, he's a medic in the Army, heading back to Iraq in August... it sounds like a really nice Jeep for cheap... I think he said he rebuilt the carb and says it runs great... He's a bit flexible on the price... we weren't able to determine the gear ratio, he just had PRK... I had to look up what that was, I had Lasik a few years back and couldn't understand why he was having issues... http://www.allaboutvision.com/visionsurgery/prk.htm Guess I understand now... :) Anyway, from his description I'm pretty sure it's got 3.31s and not the 2.72s. I don't need another complete jeep at the house... ;) having the axles delivered saves me a lot of trouble... and mess... hoping to start the axle change and bed mods tomorrow... :) in other news, I put my '67 J100 panel on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160318497884 recent picture of me in my lab, one of my friends left work for another job yesterday, he was the bass guitarist for a local band, screaming trees. http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/02-Feb-26-Farewell-Van-n-Kathy-OliveGarden-Everett/JEM_6716.jpg john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # jeep grand wagoneer - $1100 (lakewood) # Reply to: sale-1049530078-at-craigslist.org # Date: 2009-02-24, 9:52PM PST # # # 1984 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. 150k miles amc 360 v8 command-trac 4x4 with posi lock in low range. working heat and a/c. power steering, power windows (drivers windows does not work needs motor 85$ and back glass is off track) power seats work, car is a daily driver but wife wants something newer. interior is so so could use some tlc but is pretty clean. exterior could use some fresh paint but is not unsightly. Would make a great trail toy or daily driver. 727 torqueflight trans and new process transfer case. Contact Drew or Hollye at 337-764-3536 or 337-842-9957 (no calls past 9pm please) or simply reply to the email link. # # keywords: jeep, four door, wagon, v8, 4x4, amc, cheap, family ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:56:33 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: RE: gear ratios '84 GW? 3.31s, a hint is the heavy duty trany cooler, or external trany cooler - i have it on the 85- and I have 3.31 Michel > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:22:44 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jsterling-at-businessbasic.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: RE: gear ratios '84 GW? > > hoping I'm lucky... :) > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Jim Sterling wrote: > > # 2.72 or if lucky 3.31 > # > # > # Jim Sterling > # Sterling Networks > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > # john > # Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:01 PM > # To: full size jeep list > # Subject: fsj: gear ratios '84 GW? > # > # anyone know what an '84 GW would have for axle ratios? > # > # found one for just a bit more than what the axles I found are going > # for... > # > # john > # > # > # > # ----- > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ It^Rs the same Hotmail.. 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