From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Mar 2 15:20:29 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, March 2 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3276 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: just a thought... fsj: just a thought... part deux fsj: RE: just a thought... fsj: Re: [db] just a thought... part deux RE: fsj: RE: just a thought... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: just a thought... I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and it's frame... having the axles swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... using GW rear springs flipped around to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, around 94" or so is expected. http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have always really liked that truck... we've had it apart for about eight years now... long, painful, and somewhat frustrating story... but anyway... here's my thought: WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? Not sure if you're following me... but one of the advantages of the J10 cab is it's a nice environment, basically a Wagoneer with the back end missing, and since that's the problem part in my mind, it's ideal. The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a bit ugly... a brutual environment basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very unique and somewhat cool... I would think that putting my J10 cab on my CJ-10A chassis (think shortened Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my DIESEL and my J10 with a lot less work. This also solves another problem... which truck to keep... the CJ-10A with the Diesel or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would have led to more popcorn fodder and most likely another Diesel conversion thread. Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one option. But the longer wheelbase and additional weight wouldn't really work... I'd be wanting more power... not that I won't dream about more power with the cj-10a's 3.3L Diesel... but so far after removing the ballast and about 600lbs worth of bumpers it's performance is acceptable in Puget Sound traffic... This also solves wiring issues I've got with the CJ-10a... then I would just build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box into a very lightweight trailer... pass the popcorn... this won't happen for at least a couple of days, it's in the shop until Tuesday. ;) BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I decide to go this way... I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front of the J10 because I won't need the flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail J10... ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with the popcorn... let's hear what ye all think of such lunacy. :) Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... air conditioning... how much of the 80 hp will that take? ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: just a thought... part deux you know what? the box on the J10 stepside could easily be shortened two feet and either cut down my fiberglass flares or just some other kind of fenders from a trailer... that might be better since I have slightly narrower axles... that solves a couple other problems... like the box for the cj-10a... a nice cab, and insurance coverage, it would still be my '83 J10. may actually need a front clip from a GW to make this work, the j10 front end is a bit wider... the only technical problem will be mounting the a/c compressor to the Nissan Diesel... the engine/trans/xfr case won't need to be moved... the J10 cab has the floor shifter for the xfr case in place... could use a GW tilt column, or will need an AT floor shifter... can even use the WJ leather seats in the J10 cab... will be much nicer than the cj-10a cab setup... :) waiting for the reality check... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, diesel john wrote: # I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) # # was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and it's frame... having the axles # swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... using GW rear springs flipped around # to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, around 94" or so is expected. # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html # # Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have always really liked that truck... we've # had it apart for about eight years now... long, painful, and somewhat frustrating # story... but anyway... here's my thought: # # WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? # # Not sure if you're following me... but one of the advantages of the J10 cab # is it's a nice environment, basically a Wagoneer with the back end missing, and # since that's the problem part in my mind, it's ideal. # # The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a bit ugly... a brutual environment # basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very unique and somewhat cool... # # I would think that putting my J10 cab on my CJ-10A chassis (think shortened # Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my DIESEL and my J10 with a lot less work. # # This also solves another problem... which truck to keep... the CJ-10A with the Diesel # or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would have led to more popcorn fodder # and most likely another Diesel conversion thread. # # Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one option. But the longer wheelbase # and additional weight wouldn't really work... I'd be wanting more power... not # that I won't dream about more power with the cj-10a's 3.3L Diesel... but so far # after removing the ballast and about 600lbs worth of bumpers it's performance is # acceptable in Puget Sound traffic... # # This also solves wiring issues I've got with the CJ-10a... then I would just # build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box into a very lightweight trailer... # # pass the popcorn... # # this won't happen for at least a couple of days, it's in the shop until Tuesday. ;) # # BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I decide to go this way... # # I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front of the J10 because I won't need the # flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail J10... # # ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with the popcorn... let's hear what ye all # think of such lunacy. :) # # Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... air conditioning... how much of the # 80 hp will that take? ;) # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: RE: just a thought... will give that idea some thought... storing the old bed would be an issue... the J10 stepside box is actually an old Willys PU bed. cutting the bed down two feet might be reversible... depending on how I cut out the two feet... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Jim Sterling wrote: # John, # # I believe that the frames on the J trucks and the wag/chero are the same # width and have the same body mount locations for the Jcab. Behind the # jcab the frame changes, but from the back of the cab forward they are # the same (you will want to measure to be sure). That would work and be a # very interesting truck. I would NOT cut down your Jbed. I would keep it # as a trailer in case you ever pick up another Jtruck. Then you could # convert it to a step side. I would either cut down a regular bed (not my # preference) or build a flat bed the way you want it (This is what I # would do. Also saves Jbeds from being cut). Sell the CJ10 cab and use # that money to help with the flat bed, etc. # # Jim Sterling # Sterling Networks # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # diesel john # Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:45 AM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: just a thought... # # I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) # # was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and it's frame... having the # axles swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... using GW rear springs # flipped around to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, around 94" or # so is expected. # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html # # Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have always really liked that # truck... we've had it apart for about eight years now... long, painful, # and somewhat frustrating story... but anyway... here's my thought: # # WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? # # Not sure if you're following me... but one of the advantages of the J10 # cab is it's a nice environment, basically a Wagoneer with the back end # missing, and since that's the problem part in my mind, it's ideal. # # The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a bit ugly... a brutual # environment basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very unique and # somewhat cool... # # I would think that putting my J10 cab on my CJ-10A chassis (think # shortened Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my DIESEL and my J10 # with a lot less work. # # This also solves another problem... which truck to keep... the CJ-10A # with the Diesel or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would have led # to more popcorn fodder and most likely another Diesel conversion thread. # # # Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one option. But the longer # wheelbase and additional weight wouldn't really work... I'd be wanting # more power... not that I won't dream about more power with the cj-10a's # 3.3L Diesel... but so far after removing the ballast and about 600lbs # worth of bumpers it's performance is acceptable in Puget Sound # traffic... # # This also solves wiring issues I've got with the CJ-10a... then I would # just build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box into a very # lightweight trailer... # # pass the popcorn... # # this won't happen for at least a couple of days, it's in the shop until # Tuesday. ;) # # BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I decide to go this way... # # I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front of the J10 because I # won't need the flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail J10... # # ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with the popcorn... let's # hear what ye all # think of such lunacy. :) # # Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... air conditioning... how # much of the 80 hp will that take? ;) # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] just a thought... part deux well, that song has been played more than once for my projects... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg it would be a real FSJ though... GW frame, J10 cab and bed... :) just a bit shorter... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # It's really NOT a J-10... It's not a 10a... It's not a GW... It # would be none of those. Listen to Johnny Cash's "One Piece at a Time". # # ;) # # --- On Mon, 3/2/09, diesel john wrote: # # > From: diesel john # > Subject: [db] just a thought... part deux # > To: # > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:13 PM # > you know what? the box on the J10 stepside could easily # > be shortened two feet and either cut down my fiberglass # > flares # > or just some other kind of fenders from a trailer... that # > might # > be better since I have slightly narrower axles... # > # > that solves a couple other problems... like the box for the # > cj-10a... a nice cab, and insurance coverage, it would # > still # > be my '83 J10. # > # > may actually need a front clip from a GW to make this work, # > the # > j10 front end is a bit wider... # > # > the only technical problem will be mounting the a/c # > compressor # > to the Nissan Diesel... the engine/trans/xfr case won't # > need # > to be moved... the J10 cab has the floor shifter for the # > xfr case # > in place... could use a GW tilt column, or will need an AT # > floor # > shifter... can even use the WJ leather seats in the J10 # > cab... # > # > will be much nicer than the cj-10a cab setup... # > # > :) waiting for the reality check... ;) # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, diesel john wrote: # > # > # I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) # > # # > # was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and it's # > frame... having the axles # > # swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... using GW # > rear springs flipped around # > # to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, around # > 94" or so is expected. # > # # > # # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html # > # # > # Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have always # > really liked that truck... we've # > # had it apart for about eight years now... long, # > painful, and somewhat frustrating # > # story... but anyway... here's my thought: # > # # > # WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? # > # # > # Not sure if you're following me... but one of the # > advantages of the J10 cab # > # is it's a nice environment, basically a Wagoneer # > with the back end missing, and # > # since that's the problem part in my mind, it's # > ideal. # > # # > # The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a bit # > ugly... a brutual environment # > # basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very unique and # > somewhat cool... # > # # > # I would think that putting my J10 cab on my CJ-10A # > chassis (think shortened # > # Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my DIESEL and # > my J10 with a lot less work. # > # # > # This also solves another problem... which truck to # > keep... the CJ-10A with the Diesel # > # or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would have led # > to more popcorn fodder # > # and most likely another Diesel conversion thread. # > # # > # Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one option. # > But the longer wheelbase # > # and additional weight wouldn't really work... # > I'd be wanting more power... not # > # that I won't dream about more power with the # > cj-10a's 3.3L Diesel... but so far # > # after removing the ballast and about 600lbs worth of # > bumpers it's performance is # > # acceptable in Puget Sound traffic... # > # # > # This also solves wiring issues I've got with the # > CJ-10a... then I would just # > # build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box into a # > very lightweight trailer... # > # # > # pass the popcorn... # > # # > # this won't happen for at least a couple of days, # > it's in the shop until Tuesday. ;) # > # # > # BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I decide to go # > this way... # > # # > # I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front of the # > J10 because I won't need the # > # flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail J10... # > # # > # ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with the # > popcorn... let's hear what ye all # > # think of such lunacy. :) # > # # > # Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... air # > conditioning... how much of the # > # 80 hp will that take? ;) # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:20:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: just a thought... figure the sawzall would be better, less distortion of the metal.;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # # This is a good, very good idea, as little swap as possible from the engine point of view to minimize engine mount fabs, and for the bed, time for a little blue wrench. # # Michel # # > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:24:36 -0800 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: # > Subject: fsj: RE: just a thought... # > # > will give that idea some thought... storing the old bed # > would be an issue... # > # > the J10 stepside box is actually an old Willys PU bed. # > # > cutting the bed down two feet might be reversible... depending # > on how I cut out the two feet... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Jim Sterling wrote: # > # > # John, # > # # > # I believe that the frames on the J trucks and the wag/chero are the same # > # width and have the same body mount locations for the Jcab. Behind the # > # jcab the frame changes, but from the back of the cab forward they are # > # the same (you will want to measure to be sure). That would work and be a # > # very interesting truck. I would NOT cut down your Jbed. I would keep it # > # as a trailer in case you ever pick up another Jtruck. Then you could # > # convert it to a step side. I would either cut down a regular bed (not my # > # preference) or build a flat bed the way you want it (This is what I # > # would do. Also saves Jbeds from being cut). Sell the CJ10 cab and use # > # that money to help with the flat bed, etc. # > # # > # Jim Sterling # > # Sterling Networks # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # > # diesel john # > # Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:45 AM # > # To: undisclosed-recipients: # > # Subject: fsj: just a thought... # > # # > # I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) # > # # > # was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and it's frame... having the # > # axles swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... using GW rear springs # > # flipped around to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, around 94" or # > # so is expected. # > # # > # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html # > # # > # Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have always really liked that # > # truck... we've had it apart for about eight years now... long, painful, # > # and somewhat frustrating story... but anyway... here's my thought: # > # # > # WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? # > # # > # Not sure if you're following me... but one of the advantages of the J10 # > # cab is it's a nice environment, basically a Wagoneer with the back end # > # missing, and since that's the problem part in my mind, it's ideal. # > # # > # The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a bit ugly... a brutual # > # environment basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very unique and # > # somewhat cool... # > # # > # I would think that putting my J10 cab on my CJ-10A chassis (think # > # shortened Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my DIESEL and my J10 # > # with a lot less work. # > # # > # This also solves another problem... which truck to keep... the CJ-10A # > # with the Diesel or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would have led # > # to more popcorn fodder and most likely another Diesel conversion thread. # > # # > # # > # Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one option. But the longer # > # wheelbase and additional weight wouldn't really work... I'd be wanting # > # more power... not that I won't dream about more power with the cj-10a's # > # 3.3L Diesel... but so far after removing the ballast and about 600lbs # > # worth of bumpers it's performance is acceptable in Puget Sound # > # traffic... # > # # > # This also solves wiring issues I've got with the CJ-10a... then I would # > # just build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box into a very # > # lightweight trailer... # > # # > # pass the popcorn... # > # # > # this won't happen for at least a couple of days, it's in the shop until # > # Tuesday. ;) # > # # > # BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I decide to go this way... # > # # > # I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front of the J10 because I # > # won't need the flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail J10... # > # # > # ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with the popcorn... let's # > # hear what ye all # > # think of such lunacy. :) # > # # > # Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... air conditioning... how # > # much of the 80 hp will that take? ;) # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > # # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live(TM): Life without walls. # http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3276 **************************