From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 17 21:48:13 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 18 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3289 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: NP198 - odd duck fsj: Re: 3rd trip to work in the CJ-10A RE: fsj: RE: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel RE: fsj: RE: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel fsj: model 18 fsj: cj-10a - modified wheelbase RE: fsj: Re: 3rd trip to work in the CJ-10A RE: fsj: NP198 - odd duck RE: fsj: the tug is running again! RE: fsj: Re: 3rd trip to work in the CJ-10A RE: fsj: NP198 - odd duck RE: fsj: the tug is running again! FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:29:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: NP198 - odd duck we tried it while it was in neutral, even rolled it forward a bit while the mechanic was under it... dissecting this thing might explain what they did... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Kevin wrote: # It doesn't have some sort of lock preventing it from going into neutral # in the case unless you're in neutral in the transmission, does it? # # 87 K30 with TH400 and NP205 is that way, 96 F250 with E4OD and whatever the # hell it has (BW case maybe?) is that way. My only NP-208 has a manual, so # who knows. The chevy's quite devoid of electronics, like I'd expect your # tug to be. # # On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 06:17:35PM -0700, diesel john wrote: # > ok put it up at: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/NP198am1_Transfercase_part1.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/NP198am1_Transfercase_part2.pdf # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 3rd trip to work in the CJ-10A the wheelbase is around 96 inches or so? I'll go down an measure it. :) curious... the WJ is 105" it is stable, very responsive steering and corners well too. very nimble little runabout. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, timesawastin-at-bigpond.com wrote: # Is it just me or is the wheel base very close to the WJ?. # # If so, with your new shocks and that wheel base should make it quite # stable and easy to drive, unfortunately it doesn't make it good looking, # but we all have to make sacrifices. ;) # At 08:30 AM 18/03/2009, you wrote: # drove the tug to work again, 3rd time... interestingly enough the # red TJ was parked in the same corner as the 1st time... so not missing # a photo opp, I parked next to it and took the "after" shots: # # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_Mar_17-compare-w-TJ/ # # ("after" refers to replacing the 8 lug Dana 44 DF tube in front, and # the 7' wide (yes, seven feet wide) Dana 70 with 4.88 gears in the rear # for '87 Grand Wagoneer Dana 44s with 3.31 gears, and of course the # hacking off of the 1/4" plate steel fenders... estimated weight savings # is in the 400 to 500lb range... started out at 6,000lbs, guessing it's # down to around 3900lbs or so... need to find a scale. :) Did learn # that the Nissan SD33 Diesel weighs about 675 lbs by itself. # # also compared it to my WJ: # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Mar_17_tug-to-work-3rd-time/ # # (and checked the mileage to work... even though the speedo is off # about 1-2mph at 60mph, give or take, by changing from 45 teeth to 34, # the odometer seems to be right on the money... registered 10.2 miles from # home to work, which is what google maps shows as well... excellent!) # # actually washed it on Sunday: # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Mar_15_washed/ # # need to go through the wiring, add a stereo, install a pair of WJ seats, # a toolbox, come up with a better front bumper, swap out the steering wheel # and fix the lights up front... it's being pressed into daily driver status # so my wife can drive the '91 300D... saving fuel while planning our # daughter's wedding... # # john # # ----- # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # ............................................................................. . # Without the Tick, there is no Tock, # this means a broken clock. # ............................................................................. .. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:41:45 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel It's just marking it's territory like any older Jeep! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:10:50 -0700 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: fsj: RE: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel > > thanx! there is still hope!!!! :) > > when I changed the filters before it was so easy... danged fool, > should have dumped that nasty fuel as soon as I suspected it was water... :) > > this stuff didn't even smell like Diesel... > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_Mar_15_washed/P1090280.jpg > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Scott MacMoyle wrote: > > # Purge all the crud, open up the bleed screws on the fuel pump by the > # injector lines, pump the plunger until your thumb is about to fall off, use > # your other thumb until it is about to break, close the bleed screws, pump > # the plunger, you should feel yourself pumping fuel back to the tank through > # the spring loaded bypass valve, make sure the glow plugs are still working. > # Good luck > # > # > # > # From: CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com [mailto:CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > # Of diesel john > # Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:55 AM > # To: undisclosed-recipients: > # Subject: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel > # > # > # > # I got some really, really bad fuel into my Nissan SD33 and it quit > # running, I drained the tank, put in fresh fuel, I swapped filters, primed > # and it still won't > # start, we tried cracking the lines and cranking, but no happiness. > # > # THE ONE THING I did differently was I hit the primer plunger with the > # primary filter off, > # and a lot of that nasty fuel came out through the filter fittings... (which > # is kind of what > # I wanted...). I have pulled both filters, they have fuel... > # > # When I crank I get a little bit of a stumble/start every now and then, but > # it won't sustain... > # > # Have had it on the charger all night... we'll see... guess I'll take the WJ > # to work so my > # wife can run errands in the Benz... > # > # Any ideas on how to get it running again??? It didn't run very long with > # this nasty > # fuel... sadly it was a lot of water... > # > # thanx, > # john > # > # ----- > # ---------------------------------------------------------- > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # ---------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # > # > # > # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel like any old MALE jeep... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # It's just marking it's territory like any older Jeep! # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:10:50 -0700 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com # > Subject: fsj: RE: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel # > # > thanx! there is still hope!!!! :) # > # > when I changed the filters before it was so easy... danged fool, # > should have dumped that nasty fuel as soon as I suspected it was water... # :) # > # > this stuff didn't even smell like Diesel... # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_Mar_15_washed/P1090280.jpg # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Scott MacMoyle wrote: # > # > # Purge all the crud, open up the bleed screws on the fuel pump by the # > # injector lines, pump the plunger until your thumb is about to fall off, # use # > # your other thumb until it is about to break, close the bleed screws, # pump # > # the plunger, you should feel yourself pumping fuel back to the tank # through # > # the spring loaded bypass valve, make sure the glow plugs are still # working. # > # Good luck # > # # > # # > # # > # From: CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com [mailto:CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com] On # Behalf # > # Of diesel john # > # Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:55 AM # > # To: undisclosed-recipients: # > # Subject: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel # > # # > # # > # # > # I got some really, really bad fuel into my Nissan SD33 and it quit # > # running, I drained the tank, put in fresh fuel, I swapped filters, # primed # > # and it still won't # > # start, we tried cracking the lines and cranking, but no happiness. # > # # > # THE ONE THING I did differently was I hit the primer plunger with the # > # primary filter off, # > # and a lot of that nasty fuel came out through the filter fittings... # (which # > # is kind of what # > # I wanted...). I have pulled both filters, they have fuel... # > # # > # When I crank I get a little bit of a stumble/start every now and then, # but # > # it won't sustain... # > # # > # Have had it on the charger all night... we'll see... guess I'll take the # WJ # > # to work so my # > # wife can run errands in the Benz... # > # # > # Any ideas on how to get it running again??? It didn't run very long with # > # this nasty # > # fuel... sadly it was a lot of water... # > # # > # thanx, # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------- # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # ---------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] # > # # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. # http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: model 18 Terry & Tom, in 1980 a model 18 was a 4dr Cherokee Station Wagon 6 cylinder. 16 was 2dr, 17 was 2dr wide track... in '81&82 an 18 was a 4-dr Chief / Cherokee Station Wagon 6-cyl in '83 an 18 was a 4dr Pioneer, Cherokee Station Wagon 6-cyl no model 18 in 1984. I don't have that guy's email handy, can you pass this info along? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: cj-10a - modified wheelbase looks like the wheelbase with the stock frame and rear leaf flipped around is about 92". the ride is quite good with shocks that have more than 1" of travel too. :) still needs WJ seats so I have good lumbar support, if I drive this more than 20 miles my back is not happy with me. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:12:34 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: 3rd trip to work in the CJ-10A I definitely like the after pic! Much more stylin'! _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:26:32 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: NP198 - odd duck The Ford NP208F may swap some parts, but it is heavier duty (unless it comes in 2 versions like the Chev ones did) The input bearing is larger (like the big block Chev NP208s) The chain is also wider and longer than the Jeep one (I was thinking about using Ford internal parts and shortening the chain for mine, then I got a NV241 OR instead) On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Scott Hyde wrote: # Scott A. Hyde NRA Life Member NRA Certified Rifle and Pistol Instructor USPSA Member - ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Sales To: mr_hyde71-at-yahoo.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:13:57 PM Subject: FW: You've received a question about your eBay item, Jeep Scott A. Hyde www.cjcs-supply.com "There is no 'I' in team!" Scott A Chevy 208 won't work because the shifter and front output are on the drivers side. I've attached the instructions for the conversion. Will any guts from a Chevy NP-208 work? I have one of those with a broken case from an old CUCV blazer. This is good to know because I had a guy tell me you could not do it and was not looking forward to swapping for another t-case. I appreciate your assistance! Scott The t-case is a NP198AM1, basically the same as a NP208 from a Jeep or Ford. Dodge and Chevy have a passenger side drop. I've converted three of these tug t-cases, not to hard do, just time consuming getting everything clean. Thanks Jeff! Let me know about the parts when you can! Also, what model is the t-case? I can't find any usable info on the data tag. Scott A. Hyde "There is no 'I' in Team!" _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:58:13 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: the tug is running again! I'm having my own little issue with the "fuel" that is passing off as gasoline. Losing 20% of my economy was one thing, but it's stirring up the rust in the bottom of the tank! I've had to change my filter with each fill up this past month! (I have 3 inline ones. One separator, one primary crap catcher and a stock filter before the carb, which is probably close to needing changed again too!) When this tank runs out, I'm dropping the tank to get it fixed. Sadly no rad shops seem to do the work anymore in WA state unless they charge $200+! (a new tank would cost me less, if I could find one for a Spirit, late model Gremlin or SX4. The Eagle wagon was different) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:53:06 -0700 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: > Subject: fsj: the tug is running again! > > finally got started! (had a bit of a fuel problem... the tank had > more water than Diesel... when it got below 1/2 tank it was just water... guess > this thing sat for over a year with the previous owner...) > > anyway, fender flares are on, speedo corrected, etc. > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_Mar_15_washed/ > > ran it up the hill... the new shocks have improved the ride so it's bearable! > > running it on 100% BioDiesel and it's doing great... > > guess these things don't just won't run on water... > I should have drained that tank as soon as I saw what was in it... > I'm just happy I didn't destroy my Injection Pump. :) > > taking it to work tomorrow, lots to do, but it's being pressed into daily service. > > next on the agenda, getting the bed ready to haul WVO barrels, seats, > stereo and lighting... > > john > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: 3rd trip to work in the CJ-10A thanx. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # I definitely like the after pic! Much more stylin'! # # _________________________________________________________________ # Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. # http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: NP198 - odd duck yeah, but it goes into HIGH range, 2wd & 4wd! but no low range... weird. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # The bolt put into the hole where the 4x4 sensor goes would keep it from shifting into high range. That and the missing fork. # # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:29:22 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: NP198 - odd duck # > # > we tried it while it was in neutral, even rolled it forward a bit while the # > mechanic was under it... # > # > dissecting this thing might explain what they did... :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Kevin wrote: # > # > # It doesn't have some sort of lock preventing it from going into neutral # > # in the case unless you're in neutral in the transmission, does it? # > # # > # 87 K30 with TH400 and NP205 is that way, 96 F250 with E4OD and whatever the # > # hell it has (BW case maybe?) is that way. My only NP-208 has a manual, so # > # who knows. The chevy's quite devoid of electronics, like I'd expect your # > # tug to be. # > # # > # On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 06:17:35PM -0700, diesel john wrote: # > #> ok put it up at: # > #> # > #> http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/NP198am1_Transfercase_part1.pdf # > #> http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/NP198am1_Transfercase_part2.pdf # > #> # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live(TM) Contacts: Organize your contact list. # http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: the tug is running again! have you checked with Stan's Radiator in lake stevens? if they're still there... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # I'm having my own little issue with the "fuel" that is passing off as # gasoline. Losing 20% of my economy was one thing, but it's stirring up the # rust in the bottom of the tank! I've had to change my filter with each fill up # this past month! (I have 3 inline ones. One separator, one primary crap # catcher and a stock filter before the carb, which is probably close to needing # changed again too!) # When this tank runs out, I'm dropping the tank to get it fixed. Sadly no # rad shops seem to do the work anymore in WA state unless they charge $200+! (a # new tank would cost me less, if I could find one for a Spirit, late model # Gremlin or SX4. The Eagle wagon was different) # # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:53:06 -0700 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: # > Subject: fsj: the tug is running again! # > # > finally got started! (had a bit of a fuel problem... the tank had # > more water than Diesel... when it got below 1/2 tank it was just water... # guess # > this thing sat for over a year with the previous owner...) # > # > anyway, fender flares are on, speedo corrected, etc. # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_Mar_15_washed/ # > # > ran it up the hill... the new shocks have improved the ride so it's # bearable! # > # > running it on 100% BioDiesel and it's doing great... # > # > guess these things don't just won't run on water... # > I should have drained that tank as soon as I saw what was in it... # > I'm just happy I didn't destroy my Injection Pump. :) # > # > taking it to work tomorrow, lots to do, but it's being pressed into daily # service. # > # > next on the agenda, getting the bed ready to haul WVO barrels, seats, # > stereo and lighting... # > # > john # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live^Y: Life without walls. # http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3289 **************************