From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 3 10:22:08 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, April 3 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3298 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels RE: fsj: disparaged 727 RE: fsj: disparaged 727 Re: fsj: disparaged 727 fsj: RE: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels RE: fsj: disparaged 727 fsj: CJ10 axles (?) RE: fsj: CJ10 axles (?) Re: fsj: CJ10 axles (?) RE: fsj: disparaged 727 RE: [db] Re: fsj: RE: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:08:07 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels Oh, and the E4OD is computer controlled as well with a rough track record. _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobi le1_042009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:43:03 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: disparaged 727 Probably B&M. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > From: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > To: joe-at-j-hughes.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: disparaged 727 > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:48:17 +0000 > > Neat, we want to know the name of the shift kit.... and may be a little > tutorial. > > Michel > 74wag w TH400 (341Kmiles) and 85Gwag w TF727 (197Kmiles) <- this one has Jim's > trick w the engine oil treatment.... in the trany. > > > From: joe-at-j-hughes.com > > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > Subject: RE: fsj: disparaged 727 > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:40:50 -0700 > > > > AFAIK, all it takes is a $40 shift kit to fix this problem with the 727. > > > > > > Joe Hughes > > Everett, WA > > 22 Willys-Overland Touring > > 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis > > 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan > > 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD > > 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > > 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Troy > > Phagan > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:46 PM > > To: john; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Subject: Re: fsj: disparaged 727 > > > > In our family, we all have a tradition of warming up /cooling down the > > tranny in NEUTRAL just out of habit anyway. Mostly because we have all > > driven so many "classics." I think the park vs. neutral issue was > > actually more common than not on older design AT's, including Chevy, > > Ford, etc. Well, the newest vehicle I've ever owned was a 1989 Toyota > > Supra turbo. I did the same to that car too.... heh. It is my > > understanding that holes can be drilled, and other modifications done to > > help this characteristic flaw in many AT's. Anyone have specific info > > for the 727? Is it an in-car process, our complete disassembly is > required? > > > > > > john wrote: > > > John also REPLACED the 727 after pulling a Semi... they are NOT > > desireable > > > in FSJs... > > > > > > like kevin says, don't expect to cool your trans in park... that's how I > > > burned mine up after the "escape from Clearview"... being mindful of the > > > abuse I had delivered it I let it idle in Park thinking I was cooling the > > > trans... > > > > > > What moron made the decision to NOT route oil to the cooler in Park???? > > > > > > :) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rediscover Hotmail.: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Upda > tes1_042009 _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Stor age1_042009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:45:13 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: disparaged 727 IIRC, you just need to drop the valve body (requires linkage removal so miteaswell replace that seal while you are at it) Some people even do a reverse valvebody, but that's a bit much for my tastes. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:46:20 -0600 > From: tsp-at-crptruck.com > To: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: disparaged 727 > > In our family, we all have a tradition of warming up /cooling down the > tranny in NEUTRAL just out of habit anyway. Mostly because we have all > driven so many "classics." I think the park vs. neutral issue was > actually more common than not on older design AT's, including Chevy, > Ford, etc. Well, the newest vehicle I've ever owned was a 1989 Toyota > Supra turbo. I did the same to that car too.... heh. It is my > understanding that holes can be drilled, and other modifications done to > help this characteristic flaw in many AT's. Anyone have specific info > for the 727? Is it an in-car process, our complete disassembly is required? > > > john wrote: > > John also REPLACED the 727 after pulling a Semi... they are NOT desireable > > in FSJs... > > > > like kevin says, don't expect to cool your trans in park... that's how I > > burned mine up after the "escape from Clearview"... being mindful of the > > abuse I had delivered it I let it idle in Park thinking I was cooling the > > trans... > > > > What moron made the decision to NOT route oil to the cooler in Park???? > > > > :) _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:55:04 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: Re: fsj: disparaged 727 Adding an extra cooler so the trans doesn't heat up in the first place is the way to go! Lockup converter engages early for fuel economy, but with tall gears, life expectancy drops. I agree on the AW4. Built FAR better than most American units, but it is a newer design. (cooking them or running them without oil or 100,000+ mile oil changes is what kills them) The 42RE is just a 904 with an O/D TACKED onto the back of it! They even made the case weaker where the first gear sprague clutch lives. Bust the case and it co$t$ a lot to fix! From: diesel john Subject: Re: fsj: disparaged 727 you've come to the right place... yes, the Jeep torqueflite 727 used in the SJ model has issues.... THE MOST SERIOUS BEING that it does NOT route oil to the cooler lines in Park. Other issues are related to the lock up torque converter, and I recall some mention of changes to the clutches for softer shifting or such... All I know is that I've had to replace a few in Wagoneers/Grand Wagoneers... and I'm not happy about it... :) The TF727 in my '86 CJ-10 is NOT the same as what was used in my '81 Wagoneer. I find the AW4's used behind the 4.0's in the XJs to be SUPERB. The other undesireable trans is the ones used in the ZJs, and behind the 4.0s in WJs, the 42RE. The 45RFEs used in the WJ behind the 4.7 are great. john _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Stor age1_042009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:59:35 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: RE: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels It's too bad they didn't use the Jeep pattern 727 with the adapter. I would like to see the AW4 run with the Nissan diesel (I drove one turbo diesel 4 cyl Maxima with an AW4. Almost bought one with the 3.3 turbo) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:32:17 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels > > what years, and motors are the options, and which would > be the best... > > I would think that an EOD could be swapped for the C6, right? > kind of like a TH400 replacing a 700R4. > > This is just a thought... have an '83 J10 stepside, a Ford C6 and NP205... > > the tug is doing ok, but very underpowered, of course we all knew that... > the key is economy, if it's economical, who cares about the power? traffic > is the great leveler... ;) can't use power if you're bumper to bumper... :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # Re: fsj: RE: [db] trans question > # Posted by: "Jim Blair" carnuck-at-hotmail.com carnuck > # Date: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:07 pm ((PDT)) > # > # > # > # They are both great motors, but the starters can be a pain. The Mitsubishi one is better than the regular Ford one, but expen$ive to fix (-at-$200 for a 3 year version) > # > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > # > # ---------------------------------------- > #> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:59:32 -0700 > #> From: john-at-wagoneers.com > #> To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net > #> CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > #> Subject: fsj: RE: [db] trans question > #> > #> that opens some options... what's your though on those Diesels? > #> > #> how heavy are they? > #> > #> john > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Rediscover Hotmail.: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry > # http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobi le1_042009 _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Stor age1_042009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:45:53 -0700 From: "Joe" Subject: RE: fsj: disparaged 727 Yea, apparently any kit that "fills the convertor, while in park" will fix this problem. - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:58 PM To: Joe Cc: David Ashby; 'full size jeep list' Subject: RE: fsj: disparaged 727 that would also allow the oil to be routed to the cooler when in park? or just the other issues? hmmm, a shift kit in my big block 727 behind that little Diesel might help it a bit... dave's transmission in Lynnwood is the place to go, I may get one of my NP208's up from centralia and have them install that and a shift kit at the same time... thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Joe wrote: # AFAIK, all it takes is a $40 shift kit to fix this problem with the 727. # # # Joe Hughes # Everett, WA # 22 Willys-Overland Touring # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Troy # Phagan # Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:46 PM # To: john; fsj-digest-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: fsj: disparaged 727 # # In our family, we all have a tradition of warming up /cooling down the # tranny in NEUTRAL just out of habit anyway. Mostly because we have all # driven so many "classics." I think the park vs. neutral issue was # actually more common than not on older design AT's, including Chevy, # Ford, etc. Well, the newest vehicle I've ever owned was a 1989 Toyota # Supra turbo. I did the same to that car too.... heh. It is my # understanding that holes can be drilled, and other modifications done to # help this characteristic flaw in many AT's. Anyone have specific info # for the 727? Is it an in-car process, our complete disassembly is required? # # # john wrote: # > John also REPLACED the 727 after pulling a Semi... they are NOT # desireable # > in FSJs... # > # > like kevin says, don't expect to cool your trans in park... that's how I # > burned mine up after the "escape from Clearview"... being mindful of the # > abuse I had delivered it I let it idle in Park thinking I was cooling the # > trans... # > # > What moron made the decision to NOT route oil to the cooler in Park???? # > # > :) # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 05:07:20 -0700 (PDT) From: elliott sydnam Subject: fsj: CJ10 axles (?) Hey John, Can you tell me what the WMS surface was on those two axles? both the D70 and the D44? http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Mar_07_new-axles/JEM_6948.jpg Was the front 61" or 63"? Same as a Wagoneer? Thanks, Elliott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:10:17 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: CJ10 axles (?) Front was 2wd. Rear D70 is in the bed of my truck (It's going to be transplanted into Bmax's '68 Travelall) and it's -at- 75 1/2" wms to wms. Front looked to be nearly as wide. It'll be running a dual rim faced inwards to work. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 05:07:20 -0700 > From: elliottsydnam-at-yahoo.com > Subject: fsj: CJ10 axles (?) > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > Hey John, > Can you tell me what the WMS surface was on those two axles? both the D70 and the D44? > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Mar_07_new-axles/JEM_6948.jpg > > Was the front 61" or 63"? Same as a Wagoneer? > > Thanks, > Elliott _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: Re: fsj: CJ10 axles (?) like jim said, same as a wagoneer... I was looking at using a pair of J10 axles, but the mounts were different... front springs - 48" long apx 32" center of spring mounts on axle rear springs - 57" long apx 32" center of spring mounts on axle rear spring apx 24 front to pin, apx 32 from pin to rear (reversed on tug with gw axles) original wheelbase about 86" with spring flipped 92" the Grand Wagoneer axles and springs literally bolted right in. the mounts were rotated on the rear axle to get the pinion correct, and I had to add spacers on the rear axle to clear the original stock bed mounts, but removed the fenders and the ballast. I plan to put a CJ-2 tailgate on the back wall... it is thin metal, but will reinforce with some 2" angle that was used for a pipe rack on this thing when I got it. I also found a scout turbo Diesel for this thing... checking on other parts... I think that engine will make a big difference in the acceleration... what do you think? :) http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/633graph.gif john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, elliott sydnam wrote: # Hey John, # Can you tell me what the WMS surface was on those two axles? both the D70 and the D44? # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Mar_07_new-axles/JEM_6948.jpg # # Was the front 61" or 63"? Same as a Wagoneer? # # Thanks, # Elliott # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: disparaged 727 how do you know if the kit does that? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Joe wrote: # Yea, apparently any kit that "fills the convertor, while in park" will fix # this problem. # # # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:58 PM # To: Joe # Cc: David Ashby; 'full size jeep list' # Subject: RE: fsj: disparaged 727 # # that would also allow the oil to be routed to the cooler when in park? or # just the other issues? # # hmmm, a shift kit in my big block 727 behind that little Diesel might help # it a bit... dave's transmission in Lynnwood is the place to go, I may # get one of my NP208's up from centralia and have them install that # and a shift kit at the same time... # # thanx, # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Joe wrote: # # # AFAIK, all it takes is a $40 shift kit to fix this problem with the 727. # # # # # # Joe Hughes # # Everett, WA # # 22 Willys-Overland Touring # # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # # 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan # # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD # # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # # # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # Troy # # Phagan # # Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:46 PM # # To: john; fsj-digest-at-digest.net # # Subject: Re: fsj: disparaged 727 # # # # In our family, we all have a tradition of warming up /cooling down the # # tranny in NEUTRAL just out of habit anyway. Mostly because we have all # # driven so many "classics." I think the park vs. neutral issue was # # actually more common than not on older design AT's, including Chevy, # # Ford, etc. Well, the newest vehicle I've ever owned was a 1989 Toyota # # Supra turbo. I did the same to that car too.... heh. It is my # # understanding that holes can be drilled, and other modifications done to # # help this characteristic flaw in many AT's. Anyone have specific info # # for the 727? Is it an in-car process, our complete disassembly is # required? # # # # # # john wrote: # # > John also REPLACED the 727 after pulling a Semi... they are NOT # # desireable # # > in FSJs... # # > # # > like kevin says, don't expect to cool your trans in park... that's how # I # # > burned mine up after the "escape from Clearview"... being mindful of # the # # > abuse I had delivered it I let it idle in Park thinking I was cooling # the # # > trans... # # > # # > What moron made the decision to NOT route oil to the cooler in Park???? # # > # # > :) # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:07:52 -0700 From: "Joe" Subject: RE: [db] Re: fsj: RE: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels John, Come on over and take her for a spin. If you can tolerate the 4bt in the Willys than it would be great in the J10. My Willys is got to be the worst case scenario, since the firewall and floor boards are swiss cheesed. The body is welded to the frame, so it's pretty loud and vibrates a plenty. Joe Hughes Everett, WA 22 Willys-Overland Touring 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:37 PM To: Jim Hoffman Cc: full size jeep list; David Ashby; diesel-benz list Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: RE: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels the 6.2 is 650 lbs. interestingly enough, the 3.3L Nissan is 672 lbs... it's a dry sleeve engine... I'll have to listen to Joe's 4BT a few more times to decide if I want to go that way in my J10. :) Just bled the injectors (again) over at Startups in Everett, seemed to run better... man, bad fuel can make life miserable... I should have gotten that stuff out of the tank as soon as I saw it... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Well, I'm pretty sure the 6Bt Cummins is just over 1000lbs. I # recently saw that the Navistar 6.0l PowerStroke replacement for # the 7.3l is just over 1000lbs also. So my guess is that the 6.9 # and 7.3 IDIs would be around the same weight. I've Googled for # actual weights but have not come up with anything. But I think # it's safe to say that the GM engine is quite a bit lighter. I # think the 4Bt Cummins is around 700lbs. # # Jim # # --- On Wed, 4/1/09, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: [db] Re: fsj: RE: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels # > To: "Tesar Landon-R16884" # > Cc: "Jim Blair" , "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" # > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 2:05 PM # > thanx! # > # > like the picture of the "intellidog" as well... # > # > I have access to another 6.2L Diesel as well... # > # > what's the weight differences between the 6.2s and the # > 6.9/7.3? # > # > any advantage/disadvantages? # > # > the 4BT is also something to consider, along with a # > Mercedes 2.5 or 3.0L Turbo Diesel... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote: # > # > # John, I liked this page... # > # # > # http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/idi.htm # > # # > # Seems somewhere in the middle, early 90's had a # > combination of early # > # simplicity, and working out the bugs. I've been # > told to stay away from # > # the early turbo versions, but don't expect much # > power from the NA # > # versions. # > # # > # - Landon # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] # > On Behalf Of # > # john # > # Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:32 PM # > # To: Jim Blair # > # Cc: full size jeep list; diesel-benz list # > # Subject: fsj: Ford 6.9 and 7.3 Diesels # > # # > # what years, and motors are the options, and which would # > # be the best... # > # # > # I would think that an EOD could be swapped for the C6, # > right? # > # kind of like a TH400 replacing a 700R4. # > # # > # This is just a thought... have an '83 J10 stepside, # > a Ford C6 and # > # NP205... # > # # > # the tug is doing ok, but very underpowered, of course we # > all knew # > # that... # > # the key is economy, if it's economical, who cares # > about the power? # > # traffic # > # is the great leveler... ;) can't use power if # > you're bumper to # > # bumper... :) # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > # # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > # # > # On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # # > # # # > # # Re: fsj: RE: [db] trans question # > # # Posted by: "Jim Blair" # > carnuck-at-hotmail.com carnuck # > # # Date: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:07 pm ((PDT)) # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # # They are both great motors, but the starters can be a # > pain. The # > # Mitsubishi # > # one is better than the regular Ford one, but expen$ive # > to fix (-at-$200 for # > # a 3 # > # year version) # > # # # > # # # > # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 # > Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # # ---------------------------------------- # > # # > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:59:32 -0700 # > # # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # # > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net # > # # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # # > Subject: fsj: RE: [db] trans question # > # # > # > # # > that opens some options... what's your # > though on those Diesels? # > # # > # > # # > how heavy are they? # > # # > # > # # > john # > # # # > _________________________________________________________________ # > # # Rediscover Hotmail.: Now available on your iPhone or # > BlackBerry # > # # # > # # > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover # > # _Mobi # > # le1_042009 # > # # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3298 **************************