From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Apr 4 11:24:18 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, April 4 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3300 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] QUESTION: can I put a turbo from an SD33T on an SD33? fsj: Re: Laws of Ultimate Reality fsj: Re: Laws of Ultimate Reality fsj: RE: Re: [CJ-10List] QUESTION: can I put a turbo from an SD33T on an SD33? RE: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] QUESTION: can I put a turbo from an SD33T on an SD33? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] QUESTION: can I put a turbo from an SD33T on an SD33? here's pictures of the used SD33T as it sits in the Terra. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/AXLES_ENGINE_INFO/SD33T-info/ The plan is to buy the Terra complete with a tow bar and drag it home... get THIS engine working in the Terra, if it works, swap this engine into my Tug and put the naturally aspirated SD33 into the Terra and sell it. Pictures are coming of the Terra, the guy said the body is pretty much all used up... but it has a T19 and Dana 20 xfr case with a pair of good D44 axles... Didn't realize that a T19 has syncronized first gear, the T18 doesn't. I figure that even if I can't get this engine to work that I might be able to use the turbo on mine, adjust the boost down a bit so I don't hurt my engine, and get a bit more power out of it.... and then sell off the rest of the Scout. Probably be a month or two before this project finds its way home. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, diesel john wrote: # I've got a 1986 CJ-10A with the factory installed Nissan SD33 non-turbo... # (link to current pictures below) # # I found a used SD33T out of an '80 Scout... # # Question is could I take the turbo setup off of the SD33T and put it on my SD33? # # It's a great deal on the used engine, but will need to take some time off # work, hitch up the trailer to the WJ and head over the mountains to retrieve it... # it's a long shot, the guy bought it as a package with a bunch of other Scout # parts, but never ran it... I'm thinking fine, the engine is # an unknown... will just swap the intake/exhaust/turbo and put it on my SD33. # # Will I need to swap the injectors/pump as well? # # I'm hoping I can simply put the turbo on my SD33... At least until # after my daughter's wedding in August... or until my '83 J10 Stepside # comes home... with all the running around we're doing for the # wedding having the '91 300D and the '86 CJ-10A running about on # bioDiesel saves us a lot more money than switching car insurance. ;) # # # Anyway, I'm not planning on hauling heavy loads or towing so I won't really # be putting the engine under extreme stress... # # I know with the Mercedes Diesels there are a number of differences in # the engine between the turbo and non-turbo versions and it's not recommended # to just slap one on them... but with the Nissan SD33 I'm not sure it's any # where near its design limits in normal use and eeking another 20hp out of # that engine would likely not overstress it... The engine is pretty industrial... # it's like driving a fork lift on the freeway... :) With the 3.31's and # 235s I can easily cruise at 60mph, at least on level road... :) # # If I put the turbo on my low mileage SD33 and it tanks, well, I'll swap # that engine out for the one that came with the turbo... if it works, I save # myself the trouble of an engine swap... if it fails, well, I will have # an interesting story... and maybe some cool pictures... and possibly a tow bill... ;) # # thoughts? is putting the turbo setup on the SD33 a sure fire recipe # for disaster, or will it give my tug a bit more oomph so I can get closer # to the speed limit on some of the local hills? :) # # How much will I need to swap over? This works this will be a weekend upgrade... # # After my bad fuel episode I've bled the lines a few times and it's getting # better... engine is still a little rough, indicating I still have a small # amount of air in the system... or an injector that isn't happy with me for # trying to make it run on water. I should have drained that fuel when I # realized it looked more like chocolate milk than Diesel. :) # # Does anyone know what the differences are between the SD33 and SD33T regarding # the injectors/pump? The air filters and oil filters are the same... this # engine is elegant in its simplicity... in many ways it's like the Mercedes # Diesels... and in some ways better... # # here's some info I've found on these engines: # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/633graph.gif # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/6NissanSD33T2.jpg # # thanx! # john # # CURRENT PICTURES OF THE TUG PROJECT: # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_02_dreamlifter-n-tug/ # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_01_Seats-Spacers-Battery-snow/ALL.html # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # # # # The year of 7.3 I would go for would be pre '93 as they went computer controlled after that. (6.9 didn't get the computer) A turbo Nissan 3.3 would be a lot better # # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # > the tug is doing ok, but very underpowered, of course we all knew that... # # > the key is economy, if it's economical, who cares about the power? traffic # # > is the great leveler... ;) can't use power if you're bumper to bumper... :) # # > # # > john # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:22:24 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: Laws of Ultimate Reality I'd like to add the "Law of the Jeep" "Law of the Jeep" - if your Jeep has functioning four wheel drive, it won't snow... if it doesn't, it will. or maybe, more simple even, if your Jeep is functioning... :) I don't see Murphy's Law listed... whazzup with that? ;) ...also like to add a line to the Law of Mechanical Repair... grease or "roll-on permanent bed liner"... (actually happened to one of the guys on a Jeep list years ago... made for a painful story... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, lasik eyes wrote: THE LAWS OF ULTIMATE REALITY * Law of Mechanical Repair - After your hands become coated with grease, your nose will begin to itch and you'll have to pee. * Law of Gravity - Any tool, when dropped, will roll to the least accessible corner. * Law of Probability -The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act. * Law of Random Numbers - If you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal and someone always answers. * Law of the Alibi - If you tell the boss you were late for work because you had a flat tire, the very next morning you will have a flat tire. * Variation Law - If you change lines (or traffic lanes), the one you were in will always move faster than the one you are in now (works every time). * Law of the Bath - When the body is fully immersed in water, the telephone rings. * Law of Close Encounters -The probability of meeting someone you know increases dramatically when you are with someone you don't want to be seen with. * Law of the Result - When you try to prove to someone that a machine won't work, it will. * Law of Biomechanics - The severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the reach. * Law of the Theatre - At any event, the people whose seats are furthest from the aisle arrive last. * The Starbucks Law - As soon as you sit down to a cup of hot coffee, your boss will ask you to do something which will last until the coffee is cold. * Murphy's Law of Lockers - If there are only two people in a locker room, they will have adjacent lockers. * Law of Physical Surfaces - The chances of an open-faced jelly sandwich landing face down on a floor covering are directly correlated to the newness and cost of the carpet/rug. * Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about. * Brown's Law of Physical Appearance - If the clothes fit, they're ugly. * Oliver's Law of Public Speaking - A closed mouth gathers no feet. * Wilson's Law of Commercial Marketing Strategy - As soon as you find a product that you really like, they will stop making it. * Doctors' Law - If you don't feel well, make an appointment to go to the doctor, by the time you get there you'll feel better. Don't make an appointment and you'll stay sick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:17:53 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Laws of Ultimate Reality yes, we should add that too... the Law of the Parts. If you get just the right amount, it won't be. If you get extra, all will work just fine, and then you'll have parts laying around your shop which will force you to be in violation of this law the next time around... :) john Michel Balea wrote: > > > > I'd like to add the "Law of the Jeep" > > > > "Law of the Jeep" - if your Jeep has functioning four wheel drive, > > it won't snow... if it doesn't, it will. > > > > > > or maybe, more simple even, if your Jeep is functioning... :) > > > When replacing your retainer clips in the tailgate: if you have the > right number, you will loose or break one. On the other hand if you > bought 4, the first two will fit without a fuss.... Yes I slaved last > evening for 3hrs.... so I bought some E-clips this morning and it > worked in less time that it takes to drink that hot tea. > > Michel > 74wag(w a rust free tailgate) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rediscover Hotmail.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. Check it > out. > - -- ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:37:36 -0700 From: "Joe" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [CJ-10List] QUESTION: can I put a turbo from an SD33T on an SD33? AFAIK, that is the only difference between the T18 and the T19. Joe H. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of diesel john Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:06 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] QUESTION: can I put a turbo from an SD33T on an SD33? here's pictures of the used SD33T as it sits in the Terra. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/AXLES_ENGINE_INFO/SD33T-info/ The plan is to buy the Terra complete with a tow bar and drag it home... get THIS engine working in the Terra, if it works, swap this engine into my Tug and put the naturally aspirated SD33 into the Terra and sell it. Pictures are coming of the Terra, the guy said the body is pretty much all used up... but it has a T19 and Dana 20 xfr case with a pair of good D44 axles... Didn't realize that a T19 has syncronized first gear, the T18 doesn't. I figure that even if I can't get this engine to work that I might be able to use the turbo on mine, adjust the boost down a bit so I don't hurt my engine, and get a bit more power out of it.... and then sell off the rest of the Scout. Probably be a month or two before this project finds its way home. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, diesel john wrote: # I've got a 1986 CJ-10A with the factory installed Nissan SD33 non-turbo... # (link to current pictures below) # # I found a used SD33T out of an '80 Scout... # # Question is could I take the turbo setup off of the SD33T and put it on my SD33? # # It's a great deal on the used engine, but will need to take some time off # work, hitch up the trailer to the WJ and head over the mountains to retrieve it... # it's a long shot, the guy bought it as a package with a bunch of other Scout # parts, but never ran it... I'm thinking fine, the engine is # an unknown... will just swap the intake/exhaust/turbo and put it on my SD33. # # Will I need to swap the injectors/pump as well? # # I'm hoping I can simply put the turbo on my SD33... At least until # after my daughter's wedding in August... or until my '83 J10 Stepside # comes home... with all the running around we're doing for the # wedding having the '91 300D and the '86 CJ-10A running about on # bioDiesel saves us a lot more money than switching car insurance. ;) # # # Anyway, I'm not planning on hauling heavy loads or towing so I won't really # be putting the engine under extreme stress... # # I know with the Mercedes Diesels there are a number of differences in # the engine between the turbo and non-turbo versions and it's not recommended # to just slap one on them... but with the Nissan SD33 I'm not sure it's any # where near its design limits in normal use and eeking another 20hp out of # that engine would likely not overstress it... The engine is pretty industrial... # it's like driving a fork lift on the freeway... :) With the 3.31's and # 235s I can easily cruise at 60mph, at least on level road... :) # # If I put the turbo on my low mileage SD33 and it tanks, well, I'll swap # that engine out for the one that came with the turbo... if it works, I save # myself the trouble of an engine swap... if it fails, well, I will have # an interesting story... and maybe some cool pictures... and possibly a tow bill... ;) # # thoughts? is putting the turbo setup on the SD33 a sure fire recipe # for disaster, or will it give my tug a bit more oomph so I can get closer # to the speed limit on some of the local hills? :) # # How much will I need to swap over? This works this will be a weekend upgrade... # # After my bad fuel episode I've bled the lines a few times and it's getting # better... engine is still a little rough, indicating I still have a small # amount of air in the system... or an injector that isn't happy with me for # trying to make it run on water. I should have drained that fuel when I # realized it looked more like chocolate milk than Diesel. :) # # Does anyone know what the differences are between the SD33 and SD33T regarding # the injectors/pump? The air filters and oil filters are the same... this # engine is elegant in its simplicity... in many ways it's like the Mercedes # Diesels... and in some ways better... # # here's some info I've found on these engines: # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/633graph.gif # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/6NissanSD33T2.jpg # # thanx! # john # # CURRENT PICTURES OF THE TUG PROJECT: # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_02_dreamlifter-n-tug/ # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_01_Seats-Spacers-Battery-s now/ALL.html # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # # # # The year of 7.3 I would go for would be pre '93 as they went computer controlled after that. (6.9 didn't get the computer) A turbo Nissan 3.3 would be a lot better # # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # > the tug is doing ok, but very underpowered, of course we all knew that... # # > the key is economy, if it's economical, who cares about the power? traffic # # > is the great leveler... ;) can't use power if you're bumper to bumper... :) # # > # # > john # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:10:28 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] QUESTION: can I put a turbo from an SD33T on an SD33? The turbo and non-turbo motors are built differently. The turbo is much stronger Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:06:24 -0700 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: > Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] QUESTION: can I put a turbo from an SD33T on an SD33? > > here's pictures of the used SD33T as it sits in the Terra. > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/AXLES_ENGINE_INFO/SD33T-info/ > > The plan is to buy the Terra complete with a tow bar and drag it > home... get THIS engine working in the Terra, if it works, swap > this engine into my Tug and put the naturally aspirated SD33 into > the Terra and sell it. Pictures are coming of the Terra, the guy > said the body is pretty much all used up... but it has a T19 and Dana 20 > xfr case with a pair of good D44 axles... > > Didn't realize that a T19 has syncronized first gear, the T18 doesn't. > > I figure that even if I can't get this engine to work that I might > be able to use the turbo on mine, adjust the boost down a bit so > I don't hurt my engine, and get a bit more power out of it.... and then > sell off the rest of the Scout. > > Probably be a month or two before this project finds its way home. :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, diesel john wrote: > > # I've got a 1986 CJ-10A with the factory installed Nissan SD33 non-turbo... > # (link to current pictures below) > # > # I found a used SD33T out of an '80 Scout... > # > # Question is could I take the turbo setup off of the SD33T and put it on my SD33? > # > # It's a great deal on the used engine, but will need to take some time off > # work, hitch up the trailer to the WJ and head over the mountains to retrieve it... > # it's a long shot, the guy bought it as a package with a bunch of other Scout > # parts, but never ran it... I'm thinking fine, the engine is > # an unknown... will just swap the intake/exhaust/turbo and put it on my SD33. > # > # Will I need to swap the injectors/pump as well? > # > # I'm hoping I can simply put the turbo on my SD33... At least until > # after my daughter's wedding in August... or until my '83 J10 Stepside > # comes home... with all the running around we're doing for the > # wedding having the '91 300D and the '86 CJ-10A running about on > # bioDiesel saves us a lot more money than switching car insurance. ;) > # > # > # Anyway, I'm not planning on hauling heavy loads or towing so I won't really > # be putting the engine under extreme stress... > # > # I know with the Mercedes Diesels there are a number of differences in > # the engine between the turbo and non-turbo versions and it's not recommended > # to just slap one on them... but with the Nissan SD33 I'm not sure it's any > # where near its design limits in normal use and eeking another 20hp out of > # that engine would likely not overstress it... The engine is pretty industrial... > # it's like driving a fork lift on the freeway... :) With the 3.31's and > # 235s I can easily cruise at 60mph, at least on level road... :) > # > # If I put the turbo on my low mileage SD33 and it tanks, well, I'll swap > # that engine out for the one that came with the turbo... if it works, I save > # myself the trouble of an engine swap... if it fails, well, I will have > # an interesting story... and maybe some cool pictures... and possibly a tow bill... ;) > # > # thoughts? is putting the turbo setup on the SD33 a sure fire recipe > # for disaster, or will it give my tug a bit more oomph so I can get closer > # to the speed limit on some of the local hills? :) > # > # How much will I need to swap over? This works this will be a weekend upgrade... > # > # After my bad fuel episode I've bled the lines a few times and it's getting > # better... engine is still a little rough, indicating I still have a small > # amount of air in the system... or an injector that isn't happy with me for > # trying to make it run on water. I should have drained that fuel when I > # realized it looked more like chocolate milk than Diesel. :) > # > # Does anyone know what the differences are between the SD33 and SD33T regarding > # the injectors/pump? The air filters and oil filters are the same... this > # engine is elegant in its simplicity... in many ways it's like the Mercedes > # Diesels... and in some ways better... > # > # here's some info I've found on these engines: > # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/633graph.gif > # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/6NissanSD33T2.jpg > # > # thanx! > # john > # > # CURRENT PICTURES OF THE TUG PROJECT: > # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_02_dreamlifter-n-tug/ > # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_01_Seats-Spacers-Battery-sn ow/ALL.html > # > # ----- > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > # > # # > # # The year of 7.3 I would go for would be pre '93 as they went computer controlled after that. (6.9 didn't get the computer) A turbo Nissan 3.3 would be a lot better > # # > # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # # > # # > # # > the tug is doing ok, but very underpowered, of course we all knew that... > # # > the key is economy, if it's economical, who cares about the power? traffic > # # > is the great leveler... ;) can't use power if you're bumper to bumper... :) > # # > > # # > john > # _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Upda tes1_042009 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3300 **************************