From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Apr 13 00:25:34 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, April 13 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3307 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: running great... RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids fsj: RE: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids fsj: RE: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids fsj: RE: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: running great... just got back from the grocery store... late night last minute run... the tug is running great... fixing an exhaust leak can really improve driveability... went through the same thing with my '91 300D... need to figure out how to adjust the driver's door on the cab, it's not sealing on the top. need to get a fuel gauge and a temp gauge, or get another cj-7 cluster... john http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_11_parking-lights-exhaust-starter-coil-lifts/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:48:22 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids So why do I gag and hack when I smell diesel exhaust? The ozone layer has thinned out all over which is the cause of the rise of skin cancers and sunburn over the past 10 years or so. The increase of UV from the thinned O3 layer is to blame. I agree R12 probably isn't the culprit as claimed, but all those rockets going up are messing things up. Not to mention that around the time of most wars on this planet, more severe winters have happened. From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids CA, MA, VT and NY I believe are the four states that don't allow Diesels... some mfrs don't won't to import unless it can meet all 50 states... so I've heard... all I know is a Diesel engine is inherently more efficient, less polluting, less toxic, than any gasoline engine... unless that gas engine possibly is running on pure alcohol, maybe... ;) I guess the best demonstration of the differences is to ask someone is if there is any doubt about the safety of Diesel emissions vs. Gas engines... to lock themselves in an enclosed space with both and see what happens... I'd recommend trying the Diesel first, unless of course you simply dislike those nasty, dirty, smelly Diesels... Or better, just read the specs on the exhaust outputs and have someone that actually understands science explain the differences to you calmly and slowly, maybe using illustrations and graphics... but don't let them use any fluffy, furry animals to do the test, oh no, that would be wrong, if you dislike Diesels you need to do this yourself... first hand experiential data is trustworthy... I don't know what the problem is with the world... I wasn't a super sharp student in grade school, but I did learn enough in science classes to understand that much of what we hear hyped up in the media these days is junk science with an agenda... common sense is lost to a real agenda... case in point, here's just a few facts that haven't been refuted that make many acts of legislation either in error or unsupportable: - - - freon is heavier than air, yet they banned one of the safest and efficient refrigerants known to man... and replaced it with one that is toxic and less efficient... my guess is a patent expired and the patent holder came up with a new product... - - - the ozone is in the stratosphere, several thousand feet higher than the highest mountain - - - the hole in the ozone is over the least populated part of the planet - - - we have accurate meterological data for 50 to maybe 150 years - - - the planet is older than 150 years, regardless of your view of the age of the earth that makes the data statistically insignificant - - - there are an estimated 6,790,062,216 people on the planet, give or take a few - - - there is an estimated 148,940,000 square kilometers of land that's 57,506,606 square miles - - - that means each and every person on the planet theoretically could have 236,108.60 square feet... right now... an acre is 43,560 sq ft, so if my math is correct, we could all, each one of us, male and female, could have 5.36 acres each... however, check the math, I think I may have found an error in Excel... ;) 1 square km = 247.1044 acres 1 acre = 43,560 square feet 1 square km = 0.3861022 square miles https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/xx.html john _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Upda tes1_042009 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids we don't understand the climatic cycles... I doubt man is the culprit because the hole got smaller despite more activity on our part... Diesel produces aldehyde, which makes me gag a bit as well, but it's only temporary, whereas gas engines trigger an allergic reaction as well as the toxic effects. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # So why do I gag and hack when I smell diesel exhaust? The ozone layer has # thinned out all over which is the cause of the rise of skin cancers and # sunburn over the past 10 years or so. The increase of UV from the thinned O3 # layer is to blame. I agree R12 probably isn't the culprit as claimed, but all # those rockets going up are messing things up. Not to mention that around the # time of most wars on this planet, more severe winters have happened. # # # From: john # Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids # # CA, MA, VT and NY I believe are the four states that don't allow Diesels... # # some mfrs don't won't to import unless it can meet all 50 states... so I've # heard... # # all I know is a Diesel engine is inherently more efficient, less # polluting, less toxic, than any gasoline engine... unless that gas # engine possibly is running on pure alcohol, maybe... ;) # # I guess the best demonstration of the differences is to ask someone # is if there is any doubt about the safety of Diesel emissions vs. Gas # engines... # to lock themselves in an enclosed space with both and see what happens... # # I'd recommend trying the Diesel first, unless of course # you simply dislike those nasty, dirty, smelly Diesels... # # Or better, just read the specs on the exhaust outputs and have someone that # actually # understands science explain the differences to you calmly and slowly, maybe # using illustrations and graphics... but don't let them use any fluffy, furry # animals to do the test, oh no, that would be wrong, if you dislike Diesels # you need to do this yourself... first hand experiential data is # trustworthy... # # I don't know what the problem is with the world... I wasn't a super sharp # student # in grade school, but I did learn enough in science classes to understand that # much of what we hear hyped up in the media these days is junk science with # an agenda... common sense is lost to a real agenda... # # case in point, here's just a few facts that haven't been refuted that make # many acts of legislation either in error or unsupportable: # # - - freon is heavier than air, yet they banned one of the safest and # efficient # refrigerants known to man... and replaced it with one that is toxic # and less efficient... my guess is a patent expired and the patent holder # came up with a new product... # - - the ozone is in the stratosphere, several thousand feet higher than the # highest mountain # - - the hole in the ozone is over the least populated part of the planet # - - we have accurate meterological data for 50 to maybe 150 years # - - the planet is older than 150 years, regardless of your view of the age of # the earth that makes the data statistically insignificant # - - there are an estimated 6,790,062,216 people on the planet, give or take a # few # - - there is an estimated 148,940,000 square kilometers of land # that's 57,506,606 square miles # - - that means each and every person on the planet theoretically could have # 236,108.60 square feet... right now... an acre is 43,560 sq ft, # so if my math is correct, we could all, each one of us, male and # female, could have 5.36 acres each... # # however, check the math, I think I may have found an error in Excel... ;) # # 1 square km = 247.1044 acres # 1 acre = 43,560 square feet # 1 square km = 0.3861022 square miles # # # https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/xx.html # # john # _________________________________________________________________ # Rediscover Hotmail.: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. # http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Upda # tes1_042009 # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:28:05 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids I heard through the grapevine Jeep is quietly buying back all the diesel powered rigs to get them off the road. Not sure what the biggest issue is From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids we don't understand the climatic cycles... I doubt man is the culprit because the hole got smaller despite more activity on our part... Diesel produces aldehyde, which makes me gag a bit as well, but it's only temporary, whereas gas engines trigger an allergic reaction as well as the toxic effects. :) _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:28:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids there were some issues with some of the engines... from what I heard, nothing serious that I could recall... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # I heard through the grapevine Jeep is quietly buying back all the diesel # powered rigs to get them off the road. Not sure what the biggest issue is # # # From: john # Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids # # we don't understand the climatic cycles... I doubt man is the culprit # because the hole got smaller despite more activity on our part... # # Diesel produces aldehyde, which makes me gag a bit as well, but it's # only temporary, whereas gas engines trigger an allergic reaction # as well as the toxic effects. :) # _________________________________________________________________ # Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet # Explorer 8. # http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 # 5C0701A # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:18:20 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: fsj: RE: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids > From: john Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids > Diesel produces aldehyde, which makes me gag a bit as well, but it's > only temporary A bit like BO, which reminds me of a visit to France..... over 60% of the vehicles are diesel powered. So it is tough on the nostrils.... but it is temporary. After spending 3hrs on that great FSJ water pump design.... I have some BO... but it is solvent, gasket cleaner and a dash of coolant, we call it "FSJ mist". Michel (yes, it is Michael in french) 74 wag _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids in the early days of the list your name confused me... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # # # # > From: john # Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids # # > Diesel produces aldehyde, which makes me gag a bit as well, but it's # > only temporary # # A bit like BO, which reminds me of a visit to France..... over 60% of the vehicles are diesel powered. So it is tough on the nostrils.... but it is temporary. # # After spending 3hrs on that great FSJ water pump design.... I have some BO... but it is solvent, gasket cleaner and a dash of coolant, we call it "FSJ mist". # # Michel (yes, it is Michael in french) # 74 wag # # _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:11:01 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: fsj: RE: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids > Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:35:43 -0700 > From: john > in the early days of the list your name confused me... > > john It confuses a lot of people.... In one of the lists, when people started to ask for mugshot... I almost felt like putting the pict of Michelle Pfeiffer..... In fact at work we had a girl named Michael.... yes it is San Fran! But Leslie is a man's name in the south. Michel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3307 **************************