From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Apr 15 12:08:26 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, April 15 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3309 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: what color for the tug? fsj: Re: [db] what color for the tug? fsj: photo collection of the tug project RE: fsj: Re: xj: the best year of the XJ? fsj: Diesel info fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? fsj: RE: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? fsj: RE: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: what color for the tug? thinking about having the '86 cj-10a painted... one color... maaco has a sale, they do reasonable work for the price and will be better than my rattle can work... in fact, I noticed my rattle can on the back half is a significant different shade of white to the front... the entire jeep needs a good paint job... so, what color? keep it white, but one white? I've had a few other white jeeps, they don't really do it for me... definetly not Olive Drab, or White... TAN? I think tan, or a light brown would be nice... the Sahara Wranglers look nice, but that's more OD than Tan... thoughts? Looking back at all the FSJs I've had, the darker colors really do look great... on the big jeeps, I don't think a dark color on the cj-10a would work well... hey, maybe my favorite color, LIGHT IVORY CREME, just like my first car, a '68 Mustang, or later, my '88 XJ Wagoneer... not sure who the guy is with the hair... seems kind of familar to me... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/68-Mustang-on-DaytonaBeach-Aug-1975-a.jpg john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:14:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] what color for the tug? that was an xj color, from dan starc's '89... driftwood or something like that.... or we could go with the color of my WJ... very close... kind of a platinum, grey sort of brown color... I don't think I want white... light tan, light yellow, but not white... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Kevin wrote: # For a daily driver, I prefer white as it hides dents, scratches, and dirt # the best. Problem is that white is incredibly hard to blend, and if you get # into a wreck down the road, it'll be obvious if you don't repaint the car. # Drove me nuts with the 87 300D. Then it got totalled. # # What about the color that was on the subaru hood piece you gave me? Was # a somewhat dark grey, but not too dark. # # On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 03:20:06PM -0700, diesel john wrote: # > thinking about having the '86 cj-10a painted... one color... # > maaco has a sale, they do reasonable work for the price and will be # > better than my rattle can work... # > # > in fact, I noticed my rattle can on the back half is a significant different # > shade of white to the front... the entire jeep needs a good paint job... # > # > so, what color? # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: photo collection of the tug project put together the best of the fotos showing the tug project: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/BEST-OF-Johns-CJ-10A.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:35:28 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: the best year of the XJ? Is that pronounced C'mon, Derrr? From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: the best year of the XJ? http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/JEEPS.html Commander? XK... just doesn't do it for most of us... the stock engine is the underpowered 3.7V6 I believe... kind of cheap, kind of ugly... I don't recall if I've test driven one or not... did an article for FSJ mag a few years back, but think it was on the new grand cherokee... john _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobi le1_042009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Diesel info found a website (link below) with a nice summary of potential transplants: Engine Power (KW/HP-at-RPM) Torque (NM/LbFt-at-RPM) Weight LR 2.25L Petrol 52/70 -at- 4000 163/120 -at- 2000 204 Kg / 450 lbs LR 200 tdi 83/111 -at- 4000 198/146 -at- 1800 4 cyl 2.8L diesel, IVECO/PS10 8140.43P.3941 92/125-at-3600 RPM 275/203 -at- 1800 Nissan SD33 Diesel 6 cyl, no turbo 70/94 -at- 3600 217/160 -at- 1800 304 KG / 672 lbs dry Nissan SD33T Diesel 6 cyl, no intercooler 105/141 -at- 3800 255/188 -at- 2000 Nissan LD28 Diesel 6 cyl, no turbo 69/93 -at- 4400 200/148 -at- 2000 Nissan LD28Td Diesel 6 cyl, turbo 118HP -at- 4400 198 lbft -at- 2000 Nissan LD28Tdi Diesel 6 cyl, turbo with intercooler 124 HP -at- 4400 210 lbft -at- 2000 Cummins 6AT Diesel, 3.4L, 6 cyl , turbo 120hp-at-3,600 RPM 220 lbft -at-2000 RPM Isuzu 4BD1 (3.9L 4 cyl diesel) 66 / 86 -at- 3200 245/ 181 -at- 1900rpm 711 pounds dry Isuzu 4BD1-T (3.9L 4 cyl turboDiesel) 90/ 121-at- 3000 314/232 -at- 2200 721 pounds dry Mercedes OM616, 4cyl, 2.4 L early- 48/65-at-4200 late- 54/72 -at-4400 97 lbft -at- 2400 Perkins Prima. 4 cyl 60/80 -at-4500 RPM 154/114 -at- 2500 Mercedes/Chrysler Sprint van 2.7 Liter 5-cylinder 154HP 243-lb. ft. -at- 1600 . 2400 RPM http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/engine_conversion_diesel.htm ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:15:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? yes, very nice... since it's flat I could spray it myself and save some bucks... that radar resistant material might be useful, if I didn't have an SD33. ;) does it come in rattle cans already mixed by any chance? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, -J- wrote: # John, # # I painted my CJ-6 flat Desert Tan. Here is a pic: # # http://jeepsunlimited.com/storyimages/NewProjectPics232.jpg # # The paint code I used to have the paint mixed at Napa was the same one the military uses to spray Humvees that are headed to the sandbox. I actually considered spraying it with actual military surplus tan but I found out that the Humvee paint has some radar resistant material that is very hazardous and requires a fully enclosed paint booth with air tank set up for the painter. I was spraying in my buddies garage in a homemade paint boot with some standard air masks so that was out. I don't remember the paint code any more but I still really like the color. If you are really interested I could find the code for you. I have it written down some where. # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:09:20 -0500 From: "Potter, Tom E" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? I vote for the flat desert tan also. Thomas E. Potter - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of diesel john Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:34 AM To: cj-10 list Cc: full size jeep list Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? yes, very nice... since it's flat I could spray it myself and save some bucks... that radar resistant material might be useful, if I didn't have an SD33. ;) does it come in rattle cans already mixed by any chance? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, -J- wrote: # John, # # I painted my CJ-6 flat Desert Tan. Here is a pic: # # http://jeepsunlimited.com/storyimages/NewProjectPics232.jpg # # The paint code I used to have the paint mixed at Napa was the same one the military uses to spray Humvees that are headed to the sandbox. I actually considered spraying it with actual military surplus tan but I found out that the Humvee paint has some radar resistant material that is very hazardous and requires a fully enclosed paint booth with air tank set up for the painter. I was spraying in my buddies garage in a homemade paint boot with some standard air masks so that was out. I don't remember the paint code any more but I still really like the color. If you are really interested I could find the code for you. I have it written down some where. # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? - -J- the consensus is this is a great color! What's the NAPA code? :) it is very nice looking, have any larger images? I'm looking through other pictures in that directory, but they're all thumbnail sized... :) http://jeepsunlimited.com/storyimages/NewProjectPics230.jpg http://jeepsunlimited.com/storyimages/NewProjectPics229.jpg http://jeepsunlimited.com/storyimages/NewProjectPics232.jpg the fact that it's a flat encourages me to spray it myself, maybe even from a rattle can... hurry up, find that napa code. :) I'll run out and do it this weekend... can't be any worse than what I have now. :) I need to finish the tug project up, getting very close... my daughter is getting married in August so there will be a lot of running around taking place... AND, I may have found a nice Cummins 6AT for my '83 J10 Stepside... while the tug is very cool, my left arm and the door just aren't getting along very well... I like the short wheelbase, the height and the coolness factory, but the reality is my '83 J10 is a much more civilized, comfortable and just as cool as the tug... so the plan at this point is to get the J10 back together with the 4.2/T5 running 3.54s and get the body work and interior all setup the way I want, then swap in the 6AT with a solid AT, get it dialed in and then sell the tug and the trailer... but realistically that won't take place until probably Fall of 2010. So I'll probably keep using the tug through the winter and spring of 2010... unless of course all the pieces fall in place earlier and I get the J10 setup with a solid Diesel drivetrain earlier... there is always the possibility of keeping both toys... ;) thanx, john -o|||||o- city/hwy engine/trans/xfr - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1986 CJ-10A 20/? mpg 3.3L Diesel/tf727/np208 (the tug) 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) 29/39 mpg 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 14/21 mpg 4.7L V8/45RFE/NV247 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1975 Jeep J10 long bed (SJ) hydraulic dump trailer - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) 14/19 mpg 4.2/T-5/NP208 (Superdawg)- under construction - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1980 Jeep J10 (SJ) parts donor for superdawg... 4.2/T-18/NP208 1967 Jeep J100 Panel (SJ) for sale 232/T85/dana 20 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, -J- wrote: # John, # # I painted my CJ-6 flat Desert Tan. Here is a pic: # # http://jeepsunlimited.com/storyimages/NewProjectPics232.jpg # # The paint code I used to have the paint mixed at Napa was the same one the military uses to spray Humvees that are headed to the sandbox. I actually considered spraying it with actual military surplus tan but I found out that the Humvee paint has some radar resistant material that is very hazardous and requires a fully enclosed paint booth with air tank set up for the painter. I was spraying in my buddies garage in a homemade paint boot with some standard air masks so that was out. I don't remember the paint code any more but I still really like the color. If you are really interested I could find the code for you. I have it written down some where. # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? you know, I might even consider it for my J10 as well... was going to paint my J10 the same color as my '99 WJ... but you may have something here... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, Jim Sterling wrote: # Heck I would like to know the paint color. That color looks real nice on # his CJ6. It would look good on your tug as well. I am thinking about # that color for my J10. # # Thanks! # # # Jim Sterling # Sterling Networks # jsterling-at-sterlingnetworks.net # 805-579-8998 # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # diesel john # Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:16 AM # To: cj-10 list # Cc: full size jeep list # Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: what color for the tug? # # yes, very nice... since it's flat I could spray it myself and save some # bucks... that radar resistant material might be useful, if I didn't have # an SD33. ;) # # does it come in rattle cans already mixed by any chance? # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, -J- wrote: # # # John, # # # # I painted my CJ-6 flat Desert Tan. Here is a pic: # # # # http://jeepsunlimited.com/storyimages/NewProjectPics232.jpg # # # # The paint code I used to have the paint mixed at Napa was the same # one the military uses to spray Humvees that are headed to the sandbox. # I actually considered spraying it with actual military surplus tan but I # found out that the Humvee paint has some radar resistant material that # is very hazardous and requires a fully enclosed paint booth with air # tank set up for the painter. I was spraying in my buddies garage in a # homemade paint boot with some standard air masks so that was out. I # don't remember the paint code any more but I still really like the # color. If you are really interested I could find the code for you. I # have it written down some where. # # # # # # # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3309 **************************