From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu May 28 23:15:35 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, May 29 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3336 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] What do you do with NP208 comes with tugs? RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration Follow-up RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration Follow-up fsj: Transmissions (fwd) fsj: CNG Jeep FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] What do you do with NP208 comes with tugs? was going to toss it in the back of the tug went to the trans shop in lynnwood this morning... drop by whenever. no plans for it at this point... turns out my rear driveshaft may be too long, or the wag sag springs have gotten worse and gone negative arch... going to olympic this afternoon to get some longer u-bolts and try blocks... got any j10 tanks laying around? thinking of using one in the tug so I can rebuild my box to make it lighter... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 27 May 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # Sorry I've been so busy or I would pop by to see if it had low range or not. I # need to have my cabin finished before Sept (when we refinance) # # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:58:04 -0700 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] What do you do with NP208 comes with tugs? # > # > my 198 was setup some how with 2wd high and able to be switched into 4wd # > high... # > # > but not low range... took pictures, as best as I could of the # > internals... swapped in the NP208 from my '80 J10. # > # > # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/AXLES_ENGINE_INFO/modified-np198/ALL # > .html # > # > I can't tell if there is something missing or not... is there stuff # > that lives on that shaft like a planetary gear or something? # > # > if so, it's missing in mine... # > # > http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/TRANSFER-CASES/NP208/np208-diagram.jpg # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 26 May 2009, Scott Hyde wrote: # > # > # The NP198 has no guts for high range though some say their had a 208 # merely # > locked in low. Both of my tugs were 198s. A 208 is a direct swap and you # can # > buy a 208 cheaper than the parts required to modify your 198 into a 208. # > # Scott A. Hyde # > # NRA Life Member # > # NRA Certified Rifle and Pistol Instructor # > # USPSA Member # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # ________________________________ # > # From: Guner # > # To: CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com # > # Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 2:52:31 AM # > # Subject: [CJ-10List] What do you do with NP208 comes with tugs? # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # Hi , # > # I am hoping to get my new old tug in a few weeks.I know that tug comes # with # > NP208 locked in low gear.I checked tugs technical manual.MAnual shows there # is # > no shifter but shifting fork installed inside transfer case. # > # My question is : Can i install a shifter to stock tug transfer case?or i # > need complete swap from a cherokee or wagoneer? # > # # > # BTW diesel john thank you for manuals you posted on your website.I hope # you # > didnt mind,i posted a link to your website on links section. # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] # > # # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail. has a new way to see what's up with your friends. # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria # l_WhatsNew1_052009 # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:07:05 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration Follow-up I put a 3' crow bar between the trany mount and the support when I had the engine mount off, but nothing was moving, even the suspected engine mount took a little swearing to come off. As for the shims, it could be an issue... but again trying to loose those clamps, I need to hire some muscle man...... The shims are backwards on the 2" blocks.... but there was no vibration after the install 2 years ago. Michel 74 wagoneer > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:18:55 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: carnuck1-at-msn.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration Follow-up > > you know, I'm dealing with a slight vibration in the tug on startup and > around 25 mph or so... trans checks out, it's in the driveshaft a bit... > > thinking back on my '81 wagoneer.. had a horrible vibration around 55 to 60. > > trans mount fixed it... > > another time I induced a vibration at speed, when I lifted it I forgot to put > a shim in to get the angle correct... > > john > > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 27 May 2009, Michel Balea wrote: > > # > # Keeping up w your help. > # > # So after replacing timing chain, it seems to be a lot less. The funny part > is that aiming the timing light at the pointer never showed a wandering > marker, even while I was playing w the rpm. > # > # Also the battery was not up to specs (it gave up after overcranking while > trying to adjust the timing after the timing chain replacement, I really need > to put a longer PS belt to compensate for the HEI size) and a newer battery > has helped tremendously w hot restart. > # > # It seems to be at freeway speed between 62-65, but not all the time. I had > made notes while driving back from Moab... and have forgotten if it was more > on down or uphills.... arrrrrgh. > # > # Michel > # 74 wag(344Kmiles) > # > # > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:35:02 -0800 > # > > # > Michel, > # > > # > do a compression test... I went through this with a '91 XJ 4.0L... > # > I replaced every electrical component... finally did a compression > # > test and found a hole in a piston... :( > # > > # > john > # > > # > # > > > 74 waggy w 341kmiles on original trany/engine. 2 barrel 2100 and > HEI > # > # > > > distributor w fresh cap/rotor coil from a few months ago, yes > they have > # > # > > copper > # > # > > > A few weeks ago a small but persistant vibration has developed > on the > # > # > > freeway > # > # > > > on a 50 mile return trip.... strong enough to loosen one's > filling and > # > # > > > feelings about not being able to fix it. It happens in Park, in > # > # Neutral # > > and > # > # > > > less in gear at idle as the idle is lower, but at speed it is > # > # happening. > # > # > > There > # > # > > > is not a real relation to the engine speed it happens and stay > # > # constant. > # > # > > > It feels like a misfire: but idle is steady, vacuum is 20 inches > at sea > # > # > > level > # > # > > > with an idle of 800 rpm in Park > # > # > > > 1) I swapped a spare duraspark distributor w its set of wires > and an > # > # old > # > # > > MSD > # > # > > > > # > # > > > 2) Disconnected all belts: water pump, alternator, PS, and AIR > pump. No > # > # > > > difference > # > # > > > > # > # > > > 3) Plugged all vacuum lines including Brake booster, > Transmission > # > # > > modulator, > # > # > > > Transfer case, heater control, EGR. distributor advance at the > CTO > # > # switch > # > # > > > (hummmm, now that I am writing it, may be the switch is bad! > Probably > # > # not > # > # > > > because it starts without a problem even during our cold weather > of 40 > # > # > > > degrees). No Changes. > # > # > > > > # > # > > > 4) Sprayed brake cleaner all over the carb area, no change in > idle > # > # speed. > # > # > > > > # > # > > > 5) Recheck voltage at distributor (+) feed: 13.8 volts. Ground > is good > # > # > 0.01 > # > # > > > ohm from engine ground to coil ground. Disconnected various > accessories > # > # > > > thinking that may be there is a short (voltmeter, tachometer). > # > # > > > > # > # > > > 6) Some have suggested bad engine/trany mounts: disconnected the > trany > # > # > > > selector at the frame and tried to Jack up the engine.... the > body is > # > # > going > # > # > > > up, but no separation from engine or trany mounts. I have tried > this a > # > # > few > # > # > > > times after Moab last year when the fan hit the shroud, but was > never > # > # > able > # > # > > to > # > # > > > show a loose engine mount, I even went to bug some good Jeep > # > # > > aficionados.... > # > # > > > and we could not see a failing mount. > # > # > > > > # > # > > > So after reading all these, I need some ideas. > # > # > > > > # > # > > > And for the added bonus hint: 2 weeks ago after a junk yard > hunt.... I > # > # > > never > # > # > > > made it after 80 miles, there was 2 hesitations while driving at > 65 mph > # > # > and > # > # > > I > # > # > > > freewheelled to the shoulder (at least I was 12 miles from > home)... had > # > # > to > # > # > > > have the waggy towed: before calling AAA I checked for spark > (connected > # > # a > # > # > > > spare spark plug and hotwired the ignition switch, and fuel > while > # > # > > depressing > # > # > > > the throttle the gas flew off).... 30 minutes later in the > driveway, I > # > # > > wiped > # > # > > > the inside of the distributor... the rotor was a tad burnt but > nothing > # > # > > > terrible, I cranked the engine and it started. I have not driven > too > # > # far. > # > # > > Did > # > # > > > a few repeats of the above. > # > # > > > > # > # > > > Happy new year > # > # > > > > # > # > > > Michel > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Hotmail. goes with you. > # > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_ > Mobile1_052009 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration Follow-up if the rubber is sagging, or missing you'll get vibration, they compress... lifting the engine may not help as the rubber won't be broken, just smashed down and inflexible... compare the old mount to a new one... it may be the angle difference that causes the vibrations. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 27 May 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # I put a 3' crow bar between the trany mount and the support when I had the # engine mount off, but nothing was moving, even the suspected engine mount took # a little swearing to come off. # # As for the shims, it could be an issue... but again trying to loose those # clamps, I need to hire some muscle man...... The shims are backwards on the 2" # blocks.... but there was no vibration after the install 2 years ago. # # Michel # 74 wagoneer # # > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:18:55 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com # > CC: carnuck1-at-msn.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration Follow-up # > # > you know, I'm dealing with a slight vibration in the tug on startup and # > around 25 mph or so... trans checks out, it's in the driveshaft a bit... # > # > thinking back on my '81 wagoneer.. had a horrible vibration around 55 to # 60. # > # > trans mount fixed it... # > # > another time I induced a vibration at speed, when I lifted it I forgot to # put # > a shim in to get the angle correct... # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 27 May 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > # # > # Keeping up w your help. # > # # > # So after replacing timing chain, it seems to be a lot less. The funny # part # > is that aiming the timing light at the pointer never showed a wandering # > marker, even while I was playing w the rpm. # > # # > # Also the battery was not up to specs (it gave up after overcranking # while # > trying to adjust the timing after the timing chain replacement, I really # need # > to put a longer PS belt to compensate for the HEI size) and a newer battery # > has helped tremendously w hot restart. # > # # > # It seems to be at freeway speed between 62-65, but not all the time. I # had # > made notes while driving back from Moab... and have forgotten if it was # more # > on down or uphills.... arrrrrgh. # > # # > # Michel # > # 74 wag(344Kmiles) # > # # > # > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:35:02 -0800 # > # > # > # > Michel, # > # > # > # > do a compression test... I went through this with a '91 XJ 4.0L... # > # > I replaced every electrical component... finally did a compression # > # > test and found a hole in a piston... :( # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > > > 74 waggy w 341kmiles on original trany/engine. 2 barrel 2100 # and # > HEI # > # > # > > > distributor w fresh cap/rotor coil from a few months ago, yes # > they have # > # > # > > copper # > # > # > > > A few weeks ago a small but persistant vibration has # developed # > on the # > # > # > > freeway # > # > # > > > on a 50 mile return trip.... strong enough to loosen one's # > filling and # > # > # > > > feelings about not being able to fix it. It happens in Park, # in # > # > # Neutral # > > and # > # > # > > > less in gear at idle as the idle is lower, but at speed it is # > # > # happening. # > # > # > > There # > # > # > > > is not a real relation to the engine speed it happens and # stay # > # > # constant. # > # > # > > > It feels like a misfire: but idle is steady, vacuum is 20 # inches # > at sea # > # > # > > level # > # > # > > > with an idle of 800 rpm in Park # > # > # > > > 1) I swapped a spare duraspark distributor w its set of # wires # > and an # > # > # old # > # > # > > MSD # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > 2) Disconnected all belts: water pump, alternator, PS, and # AIR # > pump. No # > # > # > > > difference # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > 3) Plugged all vacuum lines including Brake booster, # > Transmission # > # > # > > modulator, # > # > # > > > Transfer case, heater control, EGR. distributor advance at # the # > CTO # > # > # switch # > # > # > > > (hummmm, now that I am writing it, may be the switch is bad! # > Probably # > # > # not # > # > # > > > because it starts without a problem even during our cold # weather # > of 40 # > # > # > > > degrees). No Changes. # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > 4) Sprayed brake cleaner all over the carb area, no change in # > idle # > # > # speed. # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > 5) Recheck voltage at distributor (+) feed: 13.8 volts. # Ground # > is good # > # > # > 0.01 # > # > # > > > ohm from engine ground to coil ground. Disconnected various # > accessories # > # > # > > > thinking that may be there is a short (voltmeter, # tachometer). # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > 6) Some have suggested bad engine/trany mounts: disconnected # the # > trany # > # > # > > > selector at the frame and tried to Jack up the engine.... the # > body is # > # > # > going # > # > # > > > up, but no separation from engine or trany mounts. I have # tried # > this a # > # > # > few # > # > # > > > times after Moab last year when the fan hit the shroud, but # was # > never # > # > # > able # > # > # > > to # > # > # > > > show a loose engine mount, I even went to bug some good Jeep # > # > # > > aficionados.... # > # > # > > > and we could not see a failing mount. # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > So after reading all these, I need some ideas. # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > And for the added bonus hint: 2 weeks ago after a junk yard # > hunt.... I # > # > # > > never # > # > # > > > made it after 80 miles, there was 2 hesitations while driving # at # > 65 mph # > # > # > and # > # > # > > I # > # > # > > > freewheelled to the shoulder (at least I was 12 miles from # > home)... had # > # > # > to # > # > # > > > have the waggy towed: before calling AAA I checked for spark # > (connected # > # > # a # > # > # > > > spare spark plug and hotwired the ignition switch, and fuel # > while # > # > # > > depressing # > # > # > > > the throttle the gas flew off).... 30 minutes later in the # > driveway, I # > # > # > > wiped # > # > # > > > the inside of the distributor... the rotor was a tad burnt # but # > nothing # > # > # > > > terrible, I cranked the engine and it started. I have not # driven # > too # > # > # far. # > # > # > > Did # > # > # > > > a few repeats of the above. # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > Happy new year # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > Michel # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Hotmail. goes with you. # > # # > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_ # > Mobile1_052009 # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. # http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Transmissions (fwd) good link for swap info... http://www.transmissioncenter.net/ also http://www.advanceadapters.com/ - have used their stuff in the past, on omega we used some novak stuff, but they do things way differently... not sure I'd go that route again... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John, This looks like an interesting site. Looks like lots of adapters for mating different engine/transmission combos... http://www.transmissioncenter.net/ Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:57:27 -0700 From: "Joe" Subject: fsj: CNG Jeep Ok, so it is a wanna-be jeep: http://www.ngvglobal.com/en/market-developments/mahindra-launches-cng-versio n-of-maxx-maxi-truck-02513.html http://www.mahindrasmallcv.com/maxxmaxi_cng_features.html Joe Hughes Everett, WA 22 Willys-Overland Touring 49 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis 50 Willys Wagon, Buick 231 V6 (Wife's) 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan (For Sale) 88 Honda CBR-600 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L 95 Dodge 2500 6bt, 47RH 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3336 **************************