From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri May 29 11:40:29 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, May 29 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3338 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: RE: Getting back on the list Re: fsj: RE: Getting back on the list Re: fsj: Getting back on the list RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:48:47 -0700 From: "Joe" Subject: fsj: RE: Getting back on the list Welcome back, and I'm glad to see that your reviving the FSJ. It doesn't have to look pretty, just remember "function before fashion"! It sounds like it is setup pretty well. Joe H. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of wallacem7-at-aol.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:14 AM To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Subject: fsj: Getting back on the list Hello - thought I'd finally get back on the Full Size Jeep list. I?told John?I would when I got back into the Jeep. I started the Jeep for the first time in almost three years and drove it around the yard a little bit about a week ago. So who am I? I am Mark Wallace...I am a home inspector by profession. I used to be a Detroit Auto Engineer but I got let go on December 12th 2006 and wasn't able to find another engineering?job. I have previously worked in construction and in restoring old cars. I have what I refer to as a bad old car habit. In my fleet right now in addition to my 81 Wagoneer is a 1967 MGB GT and then Dad has a mostly original 1928 Model A Ford that I work on as well.? The Jeep...it is a 1981 Wagoneer that I have had since I was 15 (I'm now 33), has been in my family since about?1983. It is running again but not really safe to drive. It has 235,000 miles on it. The engine is a 360 bored .030 over...Edelbrock Performer intake, Carter AFB carb,?it's the kind of engine people were building in the mid 90's...it still runs strong, but I'd build it?differently today. Eventually I'd like to go with a lot more compression and maybe run either an E-85 carburetor or go fuel injection. In the rear I have a lock right locking differential that I may not leave in. Exhaust is a single flowmaster. Over the past ten years or so the Wagoneer has predominantly served as?basic transportation and as a trailer truck. As a restored Jeep it won't likely see much worse than forest service roads, but it will be the favored trailer truck as it's easier to drive with a trailer than my Dakota. ?I have three inch lift springs in front and rear lift springs in my shed. A complication occured during the lift process when I blew away part of the frame with the pressure washer. ?The body is rough and I need to evict some squirrels, but i am good at welding and the majority of the cars that I have restored over the years were real basket cases (rodent infestation is a recurring theme)...I guess I prefer my projects that way. It got so ugly that I painted flames on it with a brush...I figured if it was going to look bad I might as well have some fun with it looking bad. regards Mark Wallace 81 Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Getting back on the list function before beauty... ;) that's why a $24.08 paint job works for me... ;) welcome back mark... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 29 May 2009, Joe wrote: # Welcome back, and I'm glad to see that your reviving the FSJ. # # It doesn't have to look pretty, just remember "function before fashion"! It # sounds like it is setup pretty well. # # Joe H. # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # wallacem7-at-aol.com # Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:14 AM # To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # Subject: fsj: Getting back on the list # # Hello - # # thought I'd finally get back on the Full Size Jeep list. I?told John?I would # when I got back into the Jeep. I started the Jeep for the first time in # almost three years and drove it around the yard a little bit about a week # ago. # # So who am I? I am Mark Wallace...I am a home inspector by profession. I used # to be a Detroit Auto Engineer but I got let go on December 12th 2006 and # wasn't able to find another engineering?job. I have previously worked in # construction and in restoring old cars. I have what I refer to as a bad old # car habit. In my fleet right now in addition to my 81 Wagoneer is a 1967 MGB # GT and then Dad has a mostly original 1928 Model A Ford that I work on as # well.? # # The Jeep...it is a 1981 Wagoneer that I have had since I was 15 (I'm now # 33), has been in my family since about?1983. It is running again but not # really safe to drive. It has 235,000 miles on it. The engine is a 360 bored # .030 over...Edelbrock Performer intake, Carter AFB carb,?it's the kind of # engine people were building in the mid 90's...it still runs strong, but I'd # build it?differently today. Eventually I'd like to go with a lot more # compression and maybe run either an E-85 carburetor or go fuel injection. In # the rear I have a lock right locking differential that I may not leave in. # Exhaust is a single flowmaster. Over the past ten years or so the Wagoneer # has predominantly served as?basic transportation and as a trailer truck. As # a restored Jeep it won't likely see much worse than forest service roads, # but it will be the favored trailer truck as it's easier to drive with a # trailer than my Dakota. ?I have three inch lift springs in front and rear # lift springs in my shed. A complication occured during the lift process when # I blew away part of the frame with the pressure washer. ?The body is rough # and I need to evict some squirrels, but i am good at welding and the # majority of the cars that I have restored over the years were real basket # cases (rodent infestation is a recurring theme)...I guess I prefer my # projects that way. It got so ugly that I painted flames on it with a # brush...I figured if it was going to look bad I might as well have some fun # with it looking bad. # # regards # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wagoneer # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Getting back on the list oh one other bit of trivia about Mark... He's the one that suggested meeting in Ouray years before we actually did... Of course he was off the list at the time and missed it all... but when we all discussed where, that was his suggestion! (giving credit where credit is due. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 29 May 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # Hello - # # thought I'd finally get back on the Full Size Jeep list. I?told John?I would when I got back into the Jeep. I started the Jeep for the first time in almost three years and drove it around the yard a little bit about a week ago. # # So who am I? I am Mark Wallace...I am a home inspector by profession. I used to be a Detroit Auto Engineer but I got let go on December 12th 2006 and wasn't able to find another engineering?job. I have previously worked in construction and in restoring old cars. I have what I refer to as a bad old car habit. In my fleet right now in addition to my 81 Wagoneer is a 1967 MGB GT and then Dad has a mostly original 1928 Model A Ford that I work on as well.? # # The Jeep...it is a 1981 Wagoneer that I have had since I was 15 (I'm now 33), has been in my family since about?1983. It is running again but not really safe to drive. It has 235,000 miles on it. The engine is a 360 bored .030 over...Edelbrock Performer intake, Carter AFB carb,?it's the kind of engine people were building in the mid 90's...it still runs strong, but I'd build it?differently today. Eventually I'd like to go with a lot more compression and maybe run either an E-85 carburetor or go fuel injection. In the rear I have a lock right locking differential that I may not leave in. Exhaust is a single flowmaster. Over the past ten years or so the Wagoneer has predominantly served as?basic transportation and as a trailer truck. As a restored Jeep it won't likely see much worse than forest service roads, but it will be the favored trailer truck as it's easier to drive with a trailer than my Dakota. ?I have three inch lift springs in front and rear lift springs in my shed. A complication occured during the lift process when I blew away part of the frame with the pressure washer. ?The body is rough and I need to evict some squirrels, but i am good at welding and the majority of the cars that I have restored over the years were real basket cases (rodent infestation is a recurring theme)...I guess I prefer my projects that way. It got so ugly that I painted flames on it with a brush...I figured if it was going to look bad I might as well have some fun with it looking bad. # # regards # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wagoneer # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:21:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions actually I was probably on four year old Diesel back then... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 29 May 2009, Joe wrote: # Wow, I didn't think that was possible. Were on bio? # # Joe H. # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:57 AM # To: Michel Balea # Cc: joe-at-j-hughes.com; fsj digest # Subject: RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions # # when I took the tug in I was able to use the roller... # # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Feb_23_emissions_test-1-percen # t/ # # I was afraid those 3/4t tires on that Dana 70 would bounce me off those # rollers... I encouraged the tester not to stand in front. ;) # # scored 1% opacity... :) # # my '91 300D scored 2%. # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Fri, 29 May 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # # # Redlining the engine %&%#..... hummm is that a violation of your # religious # # driving spirits? Here they used to rev it to 2500 in park.... until the # # computer was giving the ok signal to return to idle... can you spell # burnt # # fluid on the TF727.... Yeppp it smell hot under there. # # # # Congrats on passing. I am not too sure about Kalifornia.... # # # # Michel # # 74 wag # # # # > From: joe-at-j-hughes.com # # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # # > Subject: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions # # > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:38:15 -0700 # # > # # > First test through the smog nazis and it failed miserably. # # > # # > # # > # # > They check the opacity (darkness) of the exhaust and the limit is 40%. # # They # # > do what's called a snap test. You slam the throttle down to the ground # and # # > hold it at redline for a second or two then release. The first test I # had # # > to do this 13 times to get a good reading the second test was only 3 # times. # # > # # > # # > # # > Snap test is an appropriate name since that is what happens to the # motor # # > when you redline it with no load. # # > # # > # # > # # > I made several adjustments on the injection pump and it passed with # only # # 23% # # > opacity yesterday. I ran it through the test without an air filter # too, # # > since it was pretty dirty. Since it was the last test this truck will # see # # > it's now time to crank up the pump and see what she has. # # > # # > # # > # # > This motor only has 160hp stock. If I remove or custom grind the fuel # # > plate, adjust the smoke screw, and add some new springs to raise the # # redline # # > I can easily double the horsepower and that's just the mods to the fuel # # > pump. I already have a better turbo for it to install. # # > # # > # # > # # > I'm shooting for 400hp and 800ft lbs of torque. Of course the biggest # weak # # > link is the tranny, so I have to decide if I'm going to dump 3K-5K into # # this # # > tranny or go to a manual. # # > # # > # # > # # > John/Jim, # # > # # > You guys are welcome to stop by today. I should be around all day, and # all # # > weekend for that matter. # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > Joe Hughes # # > # # > Everett, WA # # > # # > 22 Willys-Overland Touring # # > # # > 49 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # # > # # > 50 Willys Wagon, Buick 231 V6 (Wife's) # # > # # > 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan (For Sale) # # > # # > 88 Honda CBR-600 # # > # # > 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # # > # # > 95 Dodge 2500 6bt, 47RH # # > # # > 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # # # # _________________________________________________________________ # # Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. # # # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria # l # # _Storage1_052009 # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:18:52 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions Impressive that drive-thru smog testing facility.... it must be state operated???? Just renewed the 74 registration..... no smog test, it is an on-line thing now, it is too old for the techs to figure out what to look for.... The 85gwag may not make it next year (they have a new law that the cats have to be california certified w stamped number being at least 3 or 4" heigh ($300 at this time)... so I will be working this summer on the 66.... Cheers Michel > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:56:33 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: joe-at-j-hughes.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions > > when I took the tug in I was able to use the roller... > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Feb_23_emissions_test-1-percent / > > I was afraid those 3/4t tires on that Dana 70 would bounce me off those > rollers... I encouraged the tester not to stand in front. ;) > > scored 1% opacity... :) > > my '91 300D scored 2%. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 29 May 2009, Michel Balea wrote: > > # Redlining the engine %&%#..... hummm is that a violation of your religious > # driving spirits? Here they used to rev it to 2500 in park.... until the > # computer was giving the ok signal to return to idle... can you spell burnt > # fluid on the TF727.... Yeppp it smell hot under there. > # > # Congrats on passing. I am not too sure about Kalifornia.... > # > # Michel > # 74 wag > # > # > From: joe-at-j-hughes.com > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions > # > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:38:15 -0700 > # > > # > First test through the smog nazis and it failed miserably. > # > > # > > # > > # > They check the opacity (darkness) of the exhaust and the limit is 40%. > # They > # > do what's called a snap test. You slam the throttle down to the ground and > # > hold it at redline for a second or two then release. The first test I had > # > to do this 13 times to get a good reading the second test was only 3 times. > # > > # > > # > > # > Snap test is an appropriate name since that is what happens to the motor > # > when you redline it with no load. > # > > # > > # > > # > I made several adjustments on the injection pump and it passed with only > # 23% > # > opacity yesterday. I ran it through the test without an air filter too, > # > since it was pretty dirty. Since it was the last test this truck will see > # > it's now time to crank up the pump and see what she has. > # > > # > > # > > # > This motor only has 160hp stock. If I remove or custom grind the fuel > # > plate, adjust the smoke screw, and add some new springs to raise the > # redline > # > I can easily double the horsepower and that's just the mods to the fuel > # > pump. I already have a better turbo for it to install. > # > > # > > # > > # > I'm shooting for 400hp and 800ft lbs of torque. Of course the biggest weak > # > link is the tranny, so I have to decide if I'm going to dump 3K-5K into > # this > # > tranny or go to a manual. > # > > # > > # > > # > John/Jim, > # > > # > You guys are welcome to stop by today. I should be around all day, and all > # > weekend for that matter. > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > Joe Hughes > # > > # > Everett, WA > # > > # > 22 Willys-Overland Touring > # > > # > 49 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis > # > > # > 50 Willys Wagon, Buick 231 V6 (Wife's) > # > > # > 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan (For Sale) > # > > # > 88 Honda CBR-600 > # > > # > 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > # > > # > 95 Dodge 2500 6bt, 47RH > # > > # > 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial > # _Storage1_052009 > # _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd1_052009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions it's a rolling 25 year thing for us, my son's '85 is exempt this year... my '86 will be next year... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 29 May 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # # Impressive that drive-thru smog testing facility.... it must be state operated???? # # Just renewed the 74 registration..... no smog test, it is an on-line thing now, it is too old for the techs to figure out what to look for.... # # The 85gwag may not make it next year (they have a new law that the cats have to be california certified w stamped number being at least 3 or 4" heigh ($300 at this time)... so I will be working this summer on the 66.... # # Cheers # # Michel # # > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:56:33 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com # > CC: joe-at-j-hughes.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions # > # > when I took the tug in I was able to use the roller... # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Feb_23_emissions_test-1-percent / # > # > I was afraid those 3/4t tires on that Dana 70 would bounce me off those # > rollers... I encouraged the tester not to stand in front. ;) # > # > scored 1% opacity... :) # > # > my '91 300D scored 2%. # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Fri, 29 May 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > # Redlining the engine %&%#..... hummm is that a violation of your religious # > # driving spirits? Here they used to rev it to 2500 in park.... until the # > # computer was giving the ok signal to return to idle... can you spell burnt # > # fluid on the TF727.... Yeppp it smell hot under there. # > # # > # Congrats on passing. I am not too sure about Kalifornia.... # > # # > # Michel # > # 74 wag # > # # > # > From: joe-at-j-hughes.com # > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # > # > Subject: fsj: OT: 6bt passed emissions # > # > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:38:15 -0700 # > # > # > # > First test through the smog nazis and it failed miserably. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > They check the opacity (darkness) of the exhaust and the limit is 40%. # > # They # > # > do what's called a snap test. You slam the throttle down to the ground and # > # > hold it at redline for a second or two then release. The first test I had # > # > to do this 13 times to get a good reading the second test was only 3 times. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > Snap test is an appropriate name since that is what happens to the motor # > # > when you redline it with no load. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > I made several adjustments on the injection pump and it passed with only # > # 23% # > # > opacity yesterday. I ran it through the test without an air filter too, # > # > since it was pretty dirty. Since it was the last test this truck will see # > # > it's now time to crank up the pump and see what she has. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > This motor only has 160hp stock. If I remove or custom grind the fuel # > # > plate, adjust the smoke screw, and add some new springs to raise the # > # redline # > # > I can easily double the horsepower and that's just the mods to the fuel # > # > pump. I already have a better turbo for it to install. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > I'm shooting for 400hp and 800ft lbs of torque. Of course the biggest weak # > # > link is the tranny, so I have to decide if I'm going to dump 3K-5K into # > # this # > # > tranny or go to a manual. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > John/Jim, # > # > # > # > You guys are welcome to stop by today. I should be around all day, and all # > # > weekend for that matter. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > Joe Hughes # > # > # > # > Everett, WA # > # > # > # > 22 Willys-Overland Touring # > # > # > # > 49 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # > # > # > # > 50 Willys Wagon, Buick 231 V6 (Wife's) # > # > # > # > 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan (For Sale) # > # > # > # > 88 Honda CBR-600 # > # > # > # > 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # > # > # > # > 95 Dodge 2500 6bt, 47RH # > # > # > # > 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. # > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial # > # _Storage1_052009 # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd1_052009 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3338 **************************