From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jun 9 22:51:36 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, June 10 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3351 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: VW diesel swap in my DJ5? Re: fsj: VW diesel swap in my DJ5? Re: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... Re: fsj: VW diesel swap in my DJ5? Re: fsj: IFS vs. Solid Axle, wasRe: [db] mahindra diesels Re: fsj: VW diesel swap in my DJ5? Re: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... Re: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... RE: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:18:25 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: VW diesel swap in my DJ5? I was just offered a good running (89?) VW Jetta diesel (5 speed) for $1,000 which should have the same bell pattern as the Audi 2.0L (and possibly same crank flange to take the 904 flexplate) I was thinking of offering it along with my '79 postal Jeep for $1500 obo _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y SkyDrive^Y: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:28:30 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: fsj: VW diesel swap in my DJ5? Be careful. FWD and RWD VW stuff tended to have different bellhousing patterns. Not to mention that putting that jetta engine in a delivery jeep with a torqueflight would only yield acceleration if you got rearended by someone going over 100. And I thought John was a glutton for punishment :) You should be able to flip that volksie pretty easily if it's not clapped out or rusty. On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 09:18:25PM -0700, Jim Blair wrote: > I was just offered a good running (89?) VW Jetta diesel (5 speed) for $1,000 > which should have the same bell pattern as the Audi 2.0L (and possibly same > crank flange to take the 904 flexplate) > I was thinking of offering it along with my '79 postal Jeep for $1500 obo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... I'm planning on heading over to Idaho to get that SD33T and 727, it'll go into Superdawg. After thinking about it I think trying to make a Diesel Cherokee XJ is just too much effort and challenge, making my J10 a Diesel is straight forward since it's already been done in my cj-10a. :) will use the same parts... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Joe wrote: # I hear about 4bt's getting 20-30MPG in full size trucks all the time. Of # course they are highly sought after so your going to pay 3K-5K for a decent # 4bt. Of course, at that premium price you could buy a lot of diesel or gas. # ;-) # # I just got 15.2 in my first tank in the Dodge (w/6bt). 120 miles of that # last tank was towing a 6K pound trailer. That's with 4.10 gears and 35x12.5 # tires. # # I think you should be able to 20-25 in a jeep with most 4 (or 5) cylinder # turbo diesels. # # Joe Hughes # Everett, WA # 22 Willys-Overland Touring # 49 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # 50 Willys Wagon, Buick 231 V6 (Wife's) # 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan (For Sale) # 88 Honda CBR-600 # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # 95 Dodge 2500 6bt, 47RH # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of diesel # john # Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:30 PM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... # # ...at lunch time I looked at a 1999 Cherokee Limited... has a few issues # but is priced right... runs nicely... needs 02 sensor, tires, paint # on front fender/grille... leather and interior are fine... # http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/99-XJ-limited-107k/ALL.html # downside, it's not a Diesel... questioning how important that really # is to me... # --------------- # also looked at an '83 J10 stepside for parts, 360/4spd blown rear # axle... body rough, some good parts, but I like being married # and plan on being so for more than the existing 34 years, so this won't # be following me home, sorry dennis... ;) Jim, here ya go! # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/dennis-1983-j10-stepside-rough/ALL.html # # while both vehicles aren't likely to follow me home today, I had an ulterior # motive for looking at both with tape measure and camera in hand... # ------------------- # measured the cab difference between my cj-10a and the J10... # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/COMPARE-cj10a-XJ-J10/compare-J10-CJ10-cab/ALL.htm # l # # basically 55" versus about 61", 6 more inches in width... doesn't seem like # a lot, until you're trying to place your left elbow somewhere... :) # -------------------- # also looked at the 4.0L vs. the 3.2L Diesel... # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/COMPARE-cj10a-XJ-J10/compare-XJ-CJ10-engines/ALL. # html # # the xj 4.0 seems a bit smaller, didn't get really accurate readings, looks # like # about 33" to the radiator from the firewall for the xj and about 36" for the # SD33. # # engine height does look to be different, the 4.0 cowered around 24 while the # sd33 towered around 31... again, not really accurate... suspect both # dimensions # would work with some adjustments... and a large hammer... what does red # green # say? any tool can be the right tool... ;) # # might work out... if I really want to do all that work... of course since # the # xj only weighs in around 3,000lbs a Mercedes Turbo Diesel would be a much # better option... :) # # also going to look at a '90 XJ limited also with the preferred tan leather # interior # and a factory sunroof... I'm learning that just about any 4x4 Diesel or # gas is # going to get in the 15 to 20 mpg range... and the prices are close... of # course I # do have WVO and BioDiesel so that makes Diesel the preferred motivation... # # one other thing I noticed, the xj had a much harsher ride than the cj-10a!!! # tires # most likely, but when I hit the little lane bumps you could really feel 'em # in the xj, # not so much in the cj-10a... of course bumps in the road were treated more # respectfully # by the XJ... didn't get a chance to road test the J10, wasn't going to sit # in that seat. ;) # # john # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: VW diesel swap in my DJ5? love that description kevin... # Not to mention that putting that jetta engine in a delivery jeep with a # torqueflight would only yield acceleration if you got rearended by someone # going over 100. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Kevin wrote: # Be careful. FWD and RWD VW stuff tended to have different bellhousing # patterns. # # Not to mention that putting that jetta engine in a delivery jeep with a # torqueflight would only yield acceleration if you got rearended by someone # going over 100. # # And I thought John was a glutton for punishment :) # # You should be able to flip that volksie pretty easily if it's not clapped # out or rusty. # # On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 09:18:25PM -0700, Jim Blair wrote: # > I was just offered a good running (89?) VW Jetta diesel (5 speed) for $1,000 # > which should have the same bell pattern as the Audi 2.0L (and possibly same # > crank flange to take the 904 flexplate) # > I was thinking of offering it along with my '79 postal Jeep for $1500 obo # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:16:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: IFS vs. Solid Axle, wasRe: [db] mahindra diesels well, we were talking about live axles vs. IFS... he's probably thinking of how you'd mount those, like in a Unimog maybe... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Neal Hoover wrote: # didn't know a Portal axle was a *suspension* type, there, Jim. # ;) # # Neal A. Hoover # Project '76 J-10 # Project '96 XJ # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj # # # ----- Original Message ----- # From: "Jim Blair" # To: "john Meister" ; # Cc: "xj" ; "local Jeep list" # Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:47 PM # Subject: RE: fsj: IFS vs. Solid Axle, wasRe: [db] mahindra diesels # # # > The BEST suspension is Portal axles! # > # > # > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ---------------------------------------- # > > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:39:58 -0700 # > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > > To: renaud-at-olgiati-in-paraguay.org # > > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > > Subject: fsj: IFS vs. Solid Axle, wasRe: [db] mahindra diesels # > > # > > I disagree that IFS has better ground clearance than solid axles... # > > # > > and here's why: they measure the ground clearance at the LOWEST point.. # > > which is that large bulge you referred to... which happens to be made # > > out of cast iron usually and will do a fine job of moving gravel, mud # > > and other organic material out of it's way... allowing the axle # > > tubes which sit MUCH higher up the opportunity to pass without # > interference. # > > especially near the edges where the ruts usually live... # > > # > > example: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/trail-reports/laborday98/alan2.jpg # > > # > > in an earlier part of this trail the xj's cleared the center mound, # > > but some IFS equipped toyotas got hung up and had to put logs in one # > > part of the trail to make it through... # > > # > > I was giving my buddy from hawaii a tug here, he was running STOCK # > > 205's on this trail with no lift... I was running 30x9.5's with only # > > two inches of lift... the aforementioned 4runners had 31's and 4" of # > lift... # > > # > > solid axles rule, IFS drools in the mud... # > > # > > impressive specs don't mean much on the trail. ;) # > > # > > ----- # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > # > > # > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # > > # > > # On Tuesday 09 June 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive # > > # from john who wrote: # > > # # > > #> so are you saying it's NOT superior for road-holding, comfort or # reduced # > > #> unsprung weight? I would think that IFS is better for those things, # but # > not # > > #> better for off-road clearance and durability... # > > # # > > # with due respect, M'lud, IFS is _muuuuch_ better for road clearance # than # > > # rigid axle can be. # > > # # > > # One example I know very well, the VW Kuebelwagen, with 16" wheels and # > 5.26x16 # > > # tyres, has a road clearance of 27 cm (about 11" for the heathens) # while # > the # > > # Jeep, with 6.00 x 16 tyres, had a road clearance of only 16 cm # (13.5"); # > the # > > # rigid axle, going straight from wheel centre to wheel centre, and # often # > with # > > # a big differential housing bulge in the middle on a 4WD, does not # promote # > > # road clearance while IFS leaves all that space mostly clear. # > > # # > > # The only advantage of straight axles are that they are simple and # cheap # > to # > > # make, but to the detriment of road holding and comfort. # > > # # > > # In Europe, even the cheap cars designed seventy years ago had IFS. # > > # # > > # Cheers, # > > # # > > # Ron. # > > # # > # > _________________________________________________________________ # > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. # > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria # > l_QuickAdd_062009 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: VW diesel swap in my DJ5? you need to put that into a Suzuki Samarui, there are kits to make it work. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # I was just offered a good running (89?) VW Jetta diesel (5 speed) for $1,000 # which should have the same bell pattern as the Audi 2.0L (and possibly same # crank flange to take the 904 flexplate) # I was thinking of offering it along with my '79 postal Jeep for $1500 obo # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live^Y SkyDrive^Y: Get 25 GB of free online storage. # http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... my tug is getting a solid 18 now... I think my mileage is better a speeds below 70 mph though... saw 20 on one tank where I wasn't flying up and down I-5 to Mt. Vernon. had a ford ranger with a Diesel that would get 30 mpg in town, and about 20 on the freeway over 55, which it could barely do. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Joe wrote: # I hear about 4bt's getting 20-30MPG in full size trucks all the time. Of # course they are highly sought after so your going to pay 3K-5K for a decent # 4bt. Of course, at that premium price you could buy a lot of diesel or gas. # ;-) # # I just got 15.2 in my first tank in the Dodge (w/6bt). 120 miles of that # last tank was towing a 6K pound trailer. That's with 4.10 gears and 35x12.5 # tires. # # I think you should be able to 20-25 in a jeep with most 4 (or 5) cylinder # turbo diesels. # # Joe Hughes # Everett, WA # 22 Willys-Overland Touring # 49 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # 50 Willys Wagon, Buick 231 V6 (Wife's) # 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan (For Sale) # 88 Honda CBR-600 # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # 95 Dodge 2500 6bt, 47RH # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of diesel # john # Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:30 PM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... # # ...at lunch time I looked at a 1999 Cherokee Limited... has a few issues # but is priced right... runs nicely... needs 02 sensor, tires, paint # on front fender/grille... leather and interior are fine... # http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/99-XJ-limited-107k/ALL.html # downside, it's not a Diesel... questioning how important that really # is to me... # --------------- # also looked at an '83 J10 stepside for parts, 360/4spd blown rear # axle... body rough, some good parts, but I like being married # and plan on being so for more than the existing 34 years, so this won't # be following me home, sorry dennis... ;) Jim, here ya go! # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/dennis-1983-j10-stepside-rough/ALL.html # # while both vehicles aren't likely to follow me home today, I had an ulterior # motive for looking at both with tape measure and camera in hand... # ------------------- # measured the cab difference between my cj-10a and the J10... # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/COMPARE-cj10a-XJ-J10/compare-J10-CJ10-cab/ALL.htm # l # # basically 55" versus about 61", 6 more inches in width... doesn't seem like # a lot, until you're trying to place your left elbow somewhere... :) # -------------------- # also looked at the 4.0L vs. the 3.2L Diesel... # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/COMPARE-cj10a-XJ-J10/compare-XJ-CJ10-engines/ALL. # html # # the xj 4.0 seems a bit smaller, didn't get really accurate readings, looks # like # about 33" to the radiator from the firewall for the xj and about 36" for the # SD33. # # engine height does look to be different, the 4.0 cowered around 24 while the # sd33 towered around 31... again, not really accurate... suspect both # dimensions # would work with some adjustments... and a large hammer... what does red # green # say? any tool can be the right tool... ;) # # might work out... if I really want to do all that work... of course since # the # xj only weighs in around 3,000lbs a Mercedes Turbo Diesel would be a much # better option... :) # # also going to look at a '90 XJ limited also with the preferred tan leather # interior # and a factory sunroof... I'm learning that just about any 4x4 Diesel or # gas is # going to get in the 15 to 20 mpg range... and the prices are close... of # course I # do have WVO and BioDiesel so that makes Diesel the preferred motivation... # # one other thing I noticed, the xj had a much harsher ride than the cj-10a!!! # tires # most likely, but when I hit the little lane bumps you could really feel 'em # in the xj, # not so much in the cj-10a... of course bumps in the road were treated more # respectfully # by the XJ... didn't get a chance to road test the J10, wasn't going to sit # in that seat. ;) # # john # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... you always ask the tough question don't you... "why"? :) because. (like you haven't heard that before. ;) Diesel. It's all about Diesel... gotta have it... it's cleaner, more efficient and one can run them on just about anything... they last forever and that's why. :) so basically working through that, the XJs are off the table... the Diesels I have won't work easily and there isn't enough space to engineer an acceptable solution, and there's no place to carry barrels of WVO or BioDiesel either... and you make a good point, why swap out an engine I'll get 17 to 18 with and replace it with one I'll get 17 to 18 with? :) therefore, proceeding with the sD33T in Superdawg... question will be should I use the T19 or the 727, or attempt to mate my T-5? heading over to Idaho in a week or two... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Kevin wrote: # I guess the question is why. The 89 XJ with six banger gasser effortlessly # got 25 MPG. The 74 cherokee with 258 with POINTS and a CARB got 20. The 83 # with a wiped out 258 and five speed got 21 on its last drive before it got # parked. # # Lots of effort for seemingly little gain, IMO. And I'm someone with half a # yard full of diesels. If I'm going through the hassle of a diesel swap in # an XJ, it better be getting 30, if not clearing it. # # Got the cummins powered tow rig back from the shop, will be interesting to see # what sort of mileage it gets with a not-horked turbo. I know this tank's # mileage isn't going to be good :) # # On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 08:56:25PM -0700, Joe wrote: # > I hear about 4bt's getting 20-30MPG in full size trucks all the time. Of # > course they are highly sought after so your going to pay 3K-5K for a decent # > 4bt. Of course, at that premium price you could buy a lot of diesel or gas. # > ;-) # > # > I just got 15.2 in my first tank in the Dodge (w/6bt). 120 miles of that # > last tank was towing a 6K pound trailer. That's with 4.10 gears and 35x12.5 # > tires. # > # > I think you should be able to 20-25 in a jeep with most 4 (or 5) cylinder # > turbo diesels. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:50:24 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... Did it still have oomph at 70 mph? If so, an O/D is needed to get that fuel economy where it should be. The T5 you have is about right for a VW TDI motor. I even considered putting this Jetta motor and 904 into my '87 MJ. That could haul biodiesel AND get -at-40mpg besides! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:23:21 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: joe-at-j-hughes.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... > > my tug is getting a solid 18 now... I think my mileage is better a speeds below > 70 mph though... saw 20 on one tank where I wasn't flying up and down I-5 to Mt. Vernon. > > had a ford ranger with a Diesel that would get 30 mpg in town, and about 20 on the freeway over 55, which > it could barely do. ;) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Joe wrote: > > # I hear about 4bt's getting 20-30MPG in full size trucks all the time. Of > # course they are highly sought after so your going to pay 3K-5K for a decent > # 4bt. Of course, at that premium price you could buy a lot of diesel or gas. > # ;-) > # > # I just got 15.2 in my first tank in the Dodge (w/6bt). 120 miles of that > # last tank was towing a 6K pound trailer. That's with 4.10 gears and 35x12.5 > # tires. > # > # I think you should be able to 20-25 in a jeep with most 4 (or 5) cylinder > # turbo diesels. > # > # Joe Hughes > # Everett, WA > # 22 Willys-Overland Touring > # 49 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis > # 50 Willys Wagon, Buick 231 V6 (Wife's) > # 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan (For Sale) > # 88 Honda CBR-600 > # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > # 95 Dodge 2500 6bt, 47RH > # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > # > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of diesel > # john > # Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:30 PM > # To: undisclosed-recipients: > # Subject: fsj: comparing cj-10a to J10 and XJ, seating and swaps... > # > # ...at lunch time I looked at a 1999 Cherokee Limited... has a few issues > # but is priced right... runs nicely... needs 02 sensor, tires, paint > # on front fender/grille... leather and interior are fine... > # http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/99-XJ-limited-107k/ALL.html > # downside, it's not a Diesel... questioning how important that really > # is to me... > # --------------- > # also looked at an '83 J10 stepside for parts, 360/4spd blown rear > # axle... body rough, some good parts, but I like being married > # and plan on being so for more than the existing 34 years, so this won't > # be following me home, sorry dennis... ;) Jim, here ya go! > # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/dennis-1983-j10-stepside-rough/ALL.html > # > # while both vehicles aren't likely to follow me home today, I had an ulterior > # motive for looking at both with tape measure and camera in hand... > # ------------------- > # measured the cab difference between my cj-10a and the J10... > # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/COMPARE-cj10a-XJ-J10/compare-J10-CJ10-cab/ALL.htm > # l > # > # basically 55" versus about 61", 6 more inches in width... doesn't seem like > # a lot, until you're trying to place your left elbow somewhere... :) > # -------------------- > # also looked at the 4.0L vs. the 3.2L Diesel... > # http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/COMPARE-cj10a-XJ-J10/compare-XJ-CJ10-engines/ALL. > # html > # > # the xj 4.0 seems a bit smaller, didn't get really accurate readings, looks > # like > # about 33" to the radiator from the firewall for the xj and about 36" for the > # SD33. > # > # engine height does look to be different, the 4.0 cowered around 24 while the > # sd33 towered around 31... again, not really accurate... suspect both > # dimensions > # would work with some adjustments... and a large hammer... what does red > # green > # say? any tool can be the right tool... ;) > # > # might work out... if I really want to do all that work... of course since > # the > # xj only weighs in around 3,000lbs a Mercedes Turbo Diesel would be a much > # better option... :) > # > # also going to look at a '90 XJ limited also with the preferred tan leather > # interior > # and a factory sunroof... I'm learning that just about any 4x4 Diesel or > # gas is > # going to get in the 15 to 20 mpg range... and the prices are close... of > # course I > # do have WVO and BioDiesel so that makes Diesel the preferred motivation... > # > # one other thing I noticed, the xj had a much harsher ride than the cj-10a!!! > # tires > # most likely, but when I hit the little lane bumps you could really feel 'em > # in the xj, > # not so much in the cj-10a... of course bumps in the road were treated more > # respectfully > # by the XJ... didn't get a chance to road test the J10, wasn't going to sit > # in that seat. ;) > # > # john > # ----- > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3351 **************************