From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jun 15 19:54:32 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, June 16 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3356 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: brake bleeding... fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish Re: fsj: brake bleeding... fsj: RE: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish fsj: RE: brake bleeding... fsj: RE: brake bleeding... fsj: Re: xj: RE: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: brake bleeding... was trying to bleed the surge brake controller setup on my trailer... (has disc brakes from a J10 on a model 20 axle) used a Mighty-Vac vacuum pump... couldn't get fluid to come out... had the trailer set so it was on level ground and the coupler extended... had fluid in the bottle but not in the lines... after about 10 minutes of pumping I gave up, but when I moved the trailer back with the WJ I could feel that there was resistance... I pulled the WJ forward in the drive and let it roll backwards, it stopped... weird... guess they're working... anyone else ever bleed their brakes with a hand held Mighty-vac pump? since this was a surge brake controller for disk brakes (off of a J10) I'm not sure I was doing it correctly either... The brakes seemed to work slightly on the WVO run this weekend... want to have the brakes working because I'll be carrying two SD33Ts, a 727 and a T19 with adapters back from Coeur D Alene, Idaho... heading over the pass on Thursday, back on Friday... then possibly up to the Grizzly Tent sale for some power tools on Saturday in Bellingham with my son... :) john ----- was playing around with some macro photography this weekend: (pictures of jeeps and mercedes Diesels included, mlc.) http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-14-bugs-n-flowers/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-14-flowers/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-13-garden-bees/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-11-bees-in-gardens/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:15:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish this 86 J20 was sold a few years ago in snohomish, washington, low miles... the guy that sold it would like to get it back... any one know where it went? http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: brake bleeding... yep. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39522 john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, JR McNeil wrote: # You mean there's a pump to help with that task? # # --- On Mon, 6/15/09, diesel john wrote: # # # From: diesel john # Subject: fsj: brake bleeding... # To: # Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 12:37 AM # # # was trying to bleed the surge brake controller setup on my trailer... # (has disc brakes from a J10 on a model 20 axle) # # used a Mighty-Vac vacuum pump... couldn't get fluid to # come out... had the trailer set so it was on level ground # and the coupler extended... had fluid in the bottle but # not in the lines... # # after about 10 minutes of pumping I gave up, but when I moved # the trailer back with the WJ I could feel that there was resistance... # # I pulled the WJ forward in the drive and let it roll backwards, # it stopped... weird... guess they're working... # # anyone else ever bleed their brakes with a hand held Mighty-vac pump? # # since this was a surge brake controller for disk brakes (off of a J10) # I'm not sure I was doing it correctly either... # # The brakes seemed to work slightly on the WVO run this weekend... want # to have the brakes working because I'll be carrying two SD33Ts, # a 727 and a T19 with adapters back from Coeur D Alene, Idaho... heading # over the pass on Thursday, back on Friday... then possibly up # to the Grizzly Tent sale for some power tools on Saturday in Bellingham # with my son... :) # # john # # # # ----- # # was playing around with some macro photography this weekend: # (pictures of jeeps and mercedes Diesels included, mlc.) # # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-14-bugs-n-flowers/ALL.html # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-14-flowers/ALL.html # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-13-garden-bees/ALL.html # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-11-bees-in-gardens/ALL.html # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/ # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish the guy that bought it was going to alaska... the guy that sold it would like to get it back... :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Dennis Rhoades wrote: # Nice truck...I'll ask around. # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:24 AM # To: xj-list; Allan Weidenheimer; Dennis Rhoades; elliott sydnam; Jim # Sterling; Mike Abber; mike Lacher; Ben Hollingsworth - FSJ; Terry Rust; # Tom Collins; Adam Zeimet; FSJ-XJList-at-yahoogroups.com; full size jeep # list # Subject: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # # this 86 J20 was sold a few years ago in snohomish, washington, # low miles... the guy that sold it would like to get it back... any one # know where it went? # # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html # # thanx, # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:21:32 -0700 From: "Joe" Subject: fsj: RE: brake bleeding... I've used Mity-Vac for bleeding brakes and I bled a clutch recently. Sometimes it is hard to get to a geed seal, so I'll use a zip-tie around the hose on the bleeder valve. It's a nice one-man job then. Joe H. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of diesel john Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:38 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: fsj: brake bleeding... was trying to bleed the surge brake controller setup on my trailer... (has disc brakes from a J10 on a model 20 axle) used a Mighty-Vac vacuum pump... couldn't get fluid to come out... had the trailer set so it was on level ground and the coupler extended... had fluid in the bottle but not in the lines... after about 10 minutes of pumping I gave up, but when I moved the trailer back with the WJ I could feel that there was resistance... I pulled the WJ forward in the drive and let it roll backwards, it stopped... weird... guess they're working... anyone else ever bleed their brakes with a hand held Mighty-vac pump? since this was a surge brake controller for disk brakes (off of a J10) I'm not sure I was doing it correctly either... The brakes seemed to work slightly on the WVO run this weekend... want to have the brakes working because I'll be carrying two SD33Ts, a 727 and a T19 with adapters back from Coeur D Alene, Idaho... heading over the pass on Thursday, back on Friday... then possibly up to the Grizzly Tent sale for some power tools on Saturday in Bellingham with my son... :) john ----- was playing around with some macro photography this weekend: (pictures of jeeps and mercedes Diesels included, mlc.) http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-14-bugs-n-flowers/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-14-flowers/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-13-garden-bees/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-11-bees-in-gardens/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: brake bleeding... ah, that would have helped... a zip tie on the hose around the barb would have stopped the air leak... I'd pump it to nearly 40 inches of vacuum then open the valve and mostly get bubbles... must have done it enough, brakes seemed to be working when I backed it up. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Joe wrote: # I've used Mity-Vac for bleeding brakes and I bled a clutch recently. # Sometimes it is hard to get to a geed seal, so I'll use a zip-tie around the # hose on the bleeder valve. It's a nice one-man job then. # # Joe H. # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of diesel # john # Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:38 PM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: brake bleeding... # # was trying to bleed the surge brake controller setup on my trailer... # (has disc brakes from a J10 on a model 20 axle) # # used a Mighty-Vac vacuum pump... couldn't get fluid to # come out... had the trailer set so it was on level ground # and the coupler extended... had fluid in the bottle but # not in the lines... # # after about 10 minutes of pumping I gave up, but when I moved # the trailer back with the WJ I could feel that there was resistance... # # I pulled the WJ forward in the drive and let it roll backwards, # it stopped... weird... guess they're working... # # anyone else ever bleed their brakes with a hand held Mighty-vac pump? # # since this was a surge brake controller for disk brakes (off of a J10) # I'm not sure I was doing it correctly either... # # The brakes seemed to work slightly on the WVO run this weekend... want # to have the brakes working because I'll be carrying two SD33Ts, # a 727 and a T19 with adapters back from Coeur D Alene, Idaho... heading # over the pass on Thursday, back on Friday... then possibly up # to the Grizzly Tent sale for some power tools on Saturday in Bellingham # with my son... :) # # john # # # # ----- # # was playing around with some macro photography this weekend: # (pictures of jeeps and mercedes Diesels included, mlc.) # # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-14-bugs-n-flowers/ALL.html # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-14-flowers/ALL.html # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-13-garden-bees/ALL.html # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-11-bees-in-gardens/ALL.html # http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/ # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:54:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: RE: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish Don, if you don't have a place to put pictures email them to me and I'll build you a page... for the plow... ;) (just kidding...:) I'm heading over to Idaho to get a SD33T for my '83 J10 stepside... :) BTW, we may have found the '86 J20 my friend was looking for! john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Bob Brooks wrote: # Don: # # Pictures? What are you asking for it?? # # Thanks; # # Bob # rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Don # Hansen # Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:12 PM # To: xj-at-digest.net # Subject: xj: Re: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # # I have an 87 J-20 for sale in Braintree. MA. 123000 miles with Holley # Projection fuel injection instead of the bleeping 2150 carb!. Needs brake # lines, gs tank straps and flexplate. (I have the flexplate) # # Any takers??????? # # ----- Original Message ----- # From: "john" # To: "xj-list" ; "Allan Weidenheimer" # ; "Dennis Rhoades" ; # "elliott sydnam" ; "Jim Sterling" # ; "Mike Abber" ; "mike # Lacher" ; "Ben Hollingsworth - FSJ" # ; "Terry Rust" ; "Tom Collins" # ; "Adam Zeimet" ; # ; "full size jeep list" # Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:23 AM # Subject: xj: looking for a J20 sold in snohomish # # # > this 86 J20 was sold a few years ago in snohomish, washington, # > low miles... the guy that sold it would like to get it back... any one # > know where it went? # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ALL.html # > # > thanx, # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3356 **************************