From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jun 22 15:21:48 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, June 22 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3362 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Diesel options fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Diesel options fsj: Coeur D'lane Re: fsj: Coeur D'lane fsj: OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? fsj: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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A/C... 4x4... 1) found an '85 XJ turbo Diesel... needs paint and work... $900, would end up with about 3 grand invested in a rig with a rare and expensive French Diesel... haven't called the guy back... think I'll pass on this one. it's tempting, but nothing else will go under that hood easily if that Renault engine goes tango uniform... those things are fragile... o-rings... timing belt... 2) found an '08 WK with the 3.0CRD... sweet rig, nice, right color, drives out nicely, similiar performance to my '91 300D... only problem is the $26K price tag... sadly, must walk away... payments aren't part of my budget... 3) looking at Dodge Pickups... no need for such a large vehicle, there is no doubt about how good the Cummins Diesels are... awesome, and now affordable, but I just don't need a freight train. will keep looking for one that rides nice and has a short box, ext. cab. 4) looking at Chevy pickups... not excited about another 6.5... found a '93 with a 6.2 banks setup... Wisconsin rig, rust... affordable... waiting for a call, suspect it's a long bed, we'll see how it rides... wife liked the '94 blazer, keeps reminding me of that... :) 5) improve the '86 cj-10a as a test for the '83 J10 stepside - put the turbo SD33T in place and test it out, then transplant the complete drivetrain to my '83 J10 stepside... this solves the problem of the missing pieces for the extra 727 and motor mounts... would then drop something else in the cj-10a... maybe the SD33 with the T19. (I'm thinking I'll go with the AT in the J10 despite the power loss. ;) so... thinking through all this I'm thinking that putting the turbo in the tug would take about a weekend and verify the power before I tear up my J10. If I like the power then just rob the drivetrain for a better riding more comfortable rig and then shop an inexpensive drivetrain for the tug, or reassemble it with the manual setup so it too has a Diesel and more power... thoughts? should I bother with the extra swap in the tug??? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Diesel options guess it makes the most sense... if it works well in the tug then it should be a simple matter of moving it to the J10. what would be ideal is to move the 4.2/T-5 setup over to the tug then and sell it... I don't think having the tug as a gasser will hurt it's resale, most folks are fascinated by it without realizing it's a Diesel. so who's coming over to help with the swap? :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Robert Swift wrote: # John, # # Your Tug option sound like a solid choice. You can "Field" test every thing for your J-10, to see what works. Make the mistakes on the tug so the fab work on the J-10 goes without a hitch (Yea, like that ever happends) # # Anyway I like your plan. # # Bob # # --- On Sun, 6/21/09, diesel john wrote: # # # From: diesel john # Subject: [CJ-10List] Diesel options # To: # Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 7:28 PM # # # # # # # # # considering various Diesel options... (popcorn ready?) # Diesel... Automatic... A/C... 4x4... # # 1) found an '85 XJ turbo Diesel... needs paint and work... $900, would end up with # about 3 grand invested in a rig with a rare and expensive French Diesel... # haven't called the guy back... think I'll pass on this one. it's tempting, # but nothing else will go under that hood easily if that Renault engine goes # tango uniform... those things are fragile... o-rings... timing belt... # # 2) found an '08 WK with the 3.0CRD... sweet rig, nice, right color, drives out nicely, # similiar performance to my '91 300D... only problem is the $26K price tag.... # sadly, must walk away... payments aren't part of my budget... # # 3) looking at Dodge Pickups... no need for such a large vehicle, there is no doubt # about how good the Cummins Diesels are... awesome, and now affordable, but # I just don't need a freight train. will keep looking for one that rides nice # and has a short box, ext. cab. # # 4) looking at Chevy pickups... not excited about another 6.5... found a '93 with # a 6.2 banks setup... Wisconsin rig, rust... affordable.. . waiting for a call, # suspect it's a long bed, we'll see how it rides... wife liked the '94 blazer, # keeps reminding me of that... :) # # 5) improve the '86 cj-10a as a test for the '83 J10 stepside - put the turbo SD33T # in place and test it out, then transplant the complete drivetrain to my # '83 J10 stepside... this solves the problem # of the missing pieces for the extra 727 and motor mounts... would then # drop something else in the cj-10a... maybe the SD33 with the T19. # (I'm thinking I'll go with the AT in the J10 despite the power loss. ;) # # so... thinking through all this I'm thinking that putting the turbo in the tug would # take about a weekend and verify the power before I tear up my J10. If I like the power # then just rob the drivetrain for a better riding more comfortable rig and then shop # an inexpensive drivetrain for the tug, or reassemble it with the manual setup so it # too has a Diesel and more power... # # thoughts? should I bother with the extra swap in the tug??? # # john # # ----- # ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL. com/redirect. cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki .org # http://johnmeister. com http://wagoneers. com http://fotomeister. us # ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:44:21 -0400 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Coeur D'lane Couer D'Lane....yeah that is rural. When I drove my 81 Wagoneer (that I still have) across the country in 1996 (way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and not everybody had a cell phone and a digital camera and I still had some hair)?I ended up around Couer d'lane in the middle of the night...that was when I would drive late into the night...don't do that so much anymore, Anyway there were no open gas stations when I knew I was close to the edge of my fuel window. So I ended up sleeping in the front seat of the Wagoneer (don't do that anymore either) in the gas station parking lot. When the gas station opened it was...umm...old school where you would just throw your thirty five cents for a cup of coffee into a can. If i recall correctly on that trip I drove from Boston, MA to Indianapolis, IN on the first day...1000 miles, second day I got to Omaha Nebraska...stayed with Rich Holley from the list who had a J-10, Third day Cheyenne, WY, Fourth day, Coeur D'Lane, fifth day Portland, Oregon. Picked up my older brother from college in Portland.?Then I spent a few days in Portland before heading to Seattle and Bellingham and Snohomish to meet John in person and get a trailer to bring a friend from high school's stuff home from Seattle, Then from Seattle I went to Provo, and then back to New Mexico where I broke a torque converter which in turn made my crank end play something like a quarter inch. I parked the Jeep in my parents yard and then the following summer (college summers) I rebuilt the transmission on the kitchen table, replaced the crank and drove the Wagoneer through the south out to Washington DC, and then back up to Boston. I drove the whole trip...I also had dual glass-packs and no A/C. Strangely my hearing is not so good anymore. On more than one occassion after a long drive I would still hear the cherry bomb drone long after I had shut of the motor and gone to bed. I think I would have a hard time making a drive like that today. Anyway the money is in the budget right now to build the body dolly. At a glance steel prices are tolerable and there are two other cars in the fleet that'll get to use it. Mark Wallace 81 Wagoneer . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Coeur D'lane and you also experienced the LAST stoplight on I-90. can't remember if that was in Wallace or Coeur d' Lane now... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # Couer D'Lane....yeah that is rural. When I drove my 81 Wagoneer (that I still have) across the country in 1996 (way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and not everybody had a cell phone and a digital camera and I still had some hair)?I ended up around Couer d'lane in the middle of the night...that was when I would drive late into the night...don't do that so much anymore, Anyway there were no open gas stations when I knew I was close to the edge of my fuel window. So I ended up sleeping in the front seat of the Wagoneer (don't do that anymore either) in the gas station parking lot. When the gas station opened it was...umm...old school where you would just throw your thirty five cents for a cup of coffee into a can. If i recall correctly on that trip I drove from Boston, MA to Indianapolis, IN on the first day...1000 miles, second day I got to Omaha Nebraska...stayed with Rich Holley from the list who had a J-10, Third day Cheyenne, WY, Fourth day, Coeur D'Lane, fifth day Portland, Oregon. Picked up my older brother from college in Portland.?Then I spent a few days in Portland before heading to Seattle and Bellingham and Snohomish to meet John in person and get a trailer to bring a friend from high school's stuff home from Seattle, Then from Seattle I went to Provo, and then back to New Mexico where I broke a torque converter which in turn made my crank end play something like a quarter inch. I parked the Jeep in my parents yard and then the following summer (college summers) I rebuilt the transmission on the kitchen table, replaced the crank and drove the Wagoneer through the south out to Washington DC, and then back up to Boston. I drove the whole trip...I also had dual glass-packs and no A/C. Strangely my hearing is not so good anymore. On more than one occassion after a long drive I would still hear the cherry bomb drone long after I had shut of the motor and gone to bed. # # I think I would have a hard time making a drive like that today. # # Anyway the money is in the budget right now to build the body dolly. At a glance steel prices are tolerable and there are two other cars in the fleet that'll get to use it. # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wagoneer # . # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? found a fleet vehicle, 238K, Diesel/at/ac, clean... price is pretty low, truck has the extended cab/long bed with an bed tank and tool boxes... looking on line looks like 16 to 18 mpg... maybe less... is there anything I should be worried about with a Ford F250 Diesel? may go and look at it this afternoon... I don't want a freight train, but the price is good, the ride should be excellent and it has nearly 2k in toolboxes and fuel tanks included... everything works, no drama, and no GM mickey mouseness to deal with... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:21:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? just test drove a '93 GMC SIERRA 4x4-6.2 DIESEL with the banks kit... the truck had a number of issues, but I could tell that the extended cab, short (6.5) box was not too long or hard to handle, as good or better ride than my '94 Blazer... going to look at the '94 extnd cab/short box with the 6.5. I think kevin frightened me off of the ford, although for 4600 bucks it's a screaming deal, been well cared for and all that... but it is a freight train that won't get decent mileage... read complaints of the turning radius, best mileage seems to be about 16 or so... book value is about 12k... tempting... also found a '71 Porsche 914 for $800... going to look at it, if it doesn't have rust I may go for it... book value is over $7k for one of these things... doesn't have carpeting and a few other issues, but runs and drives even... any thoughts? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, john wrote: # found a fleet vehicle, 238K, Diesel/at/ac, clean... price is # pretty low, truck has the extended cab/long bed with an bed tank and tool boxes... # # looking on line looks like 16 to 18 mpg... maybe less... # # is there anything I should be worried about with a Ford F250 Diesel? # # may go and look at it this afternoon... I don't want a freight train, # but the price is good, the ride should be excellent and it has nearly 2k in # toolboxes and fuel tanks included... everything works, no drama, and no # GM mickey mouseness to deal with... # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3362 **************************