From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jun 25 15:40:53 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, June 25 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3367 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 I have free BioDiesel... must have a Diesel engine... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # Flipping the Scout D300 would be hard since it is Texas pattern. Jeep D300 has the round pattern. # Since I can get almost 20 mpg from a 6 cyl full size truck with a hated BBD carb (that passed the Etest regs for 1986 W/O a Cat or AIR pump) I'm pretty sure I could do better with EFI but I'd need more training in the computer language (or someone that can translate the algorithms into non-geekese for me and translate my own diagram into a fuel map for the computer) # If I could pull together the financing to live on, and spend all my 40 hours (or more) per week towards this, some VERY needed changes could happen. I have 1 friend so far that might be able to help me realize this goal, but she needs more training as well (she worked on the first terabyte server) # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:37:51 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; DZAshby-at-comcast.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 # > # > the trans shop wasn't sure on the differences between # > the scout t19 and the jeep t18. # > # > but I did learn some cool stuff about the scout D300 that might # > allow me to use it. # > # > # > http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505924&highlight=flipping+d300 # > http://www.greatlakeoffroad.com/clock.html # > # > the guys were talking about a twin stick conversion, after flipping # > the scout d300 to provide driver's side drop... need to read more, but # > that would be cool... granny low with a 2.61 reduction for 2wd low... could # > pull a 747 around... ok, maybe only a 787... # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # If the T18 output shaft and tail stock is interchangeable with the T19, it # > # should be a piece of cake to do. I really like the AW4 and the fact it is much # > # more fuel efficient than the 727 and 42RE. # > # # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # ---------------------------------------- # > #> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:13:33 -0700 # > #> From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > #> To: xj-at-digest.net # > #> CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > #> Subject: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 # > #> # > #> yeah, if I use the scout d300/t19 I'll have to flip the xfr case # > #> to get a driver's side drop... not sure if I can use the t18 pieces # > #> to mate the np208, which is the same size as the xfr cases found # > #> in xjs... # > #> # > #> I don't know, will have to talk to my tranny guy, the aw4 locks # > #> up nicely... behaves well... same kind of "gut" feeling in the # > #> positive sense with my 45RFE... # > #> # > #> I simply have bad vibes toward 727s and 42res... :) # > #> # > #> and I'm not sure I want to do a manual in anything... remember all those # > #> stop lights before we hit I-5? well there's the same number on # > #> the other side of I-5 and the that # > #> manage the lights can't seem to get them in sync... I was stopped by # > #> almost EVERY one of them this morning... there's 14 by quick count... # > #> on the other side... only 9... try getting a 4,000lb tug rolling 23 # > #> times... no wonder I'm only getting 18 mpg. :) # > #> # > #> john # > #> # > #> # > #> # > #> ----- # > #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > #> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > #> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > #> # > #> # > #> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Kevin wrote: # > #> # > #> # The AW4 is absolutely bad for efficiency. The difference between 21 and # > #> # 25 is ... well, almost 20%. The 31s will knock down the revs on the # > #> # highway, but the extra inch of rubber of it over the black jeep might be # > #> # part of the problem. # > #> # # > #> # The 42RE was great. Great at heading to the shop. I'm not a big fan of # > # the # > #> # 45RFE either (it's way too complex, even though it seems to behave # > # itself, # > #> # and seems to be coupled to bigger power than a 4.7, so a jeep isn't # > # likely # > #> # to hurt it). # > #> # # > #> # Haven't seen an SD33 in the flesh in probably seven years. I'd imagine a # > # 727 # > #> # would fit, given the size of the AX-15 about ten yards from me and the # > # fact # > #> # that it looks about the size of the 727 I have as a spare for the hornet. # > # 208 # > #> # over a 231 might require some sledgehammer because I think they're bigger # > #> # and I'm too lazy to crawl under the red jeep to have a look. I've heard # > # of # > #> # D300s in XJs, but I could swear there was a flip involved. Can't remember # > #> # though, might be thinking of CJ stuff that's passenger drop because it's # > #> # pre 80. # > #> # # > #> # Sorry, brain's fried this week. Drove the diesel landcruiser to work two # > # days # > #> # this week because I didn't want to try to debug a fishbiting gasser :) # > #> # # > #> # On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:52:22PM -0700, john wrote: # > #> #> I've seen 17/21 with an '87 with 3.55s, 31's, 3" of lift, AW4/np231 # > #> #> # > #> #> I don't think the AW4 is all that bad for efficiency... I like it # > #> #> better than the 42re they used in the Zj and the 4.0 WJs... the # > #> #> 45RFE in my 4.7 WJ seems to be quite good. I've seen 21 with it... # > #> #> although towing the J10 trailer I barely made 13 mpg at 70. # > #> #> # > #> #> next question... would a SD33T with a 727/d300 or np208 fit in an XJ? :) # > #> # # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. # > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria # > # l_QuickAdd_062009 # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live(TM) SkyDrive((TM): Get 25 GB of free online storage. # http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:11:20 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator I'm hoping to be able to do that eventually with my '67 GMC shortbox stepside 4x4 powered by the 454 in my '81 Chev. (It'll have Wagoneer axles in it for tighter turning radius) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:32:21 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com; fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator > > I've had daydreams of dropping a 455 in a wag, lowering > it a bit, big sway bars, wide tires and then go out and > stomp on bmws... > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > > # http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3351213 > # > # http://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/1238087195.html > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria > # l_QuickAdd_062009 > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial _Storage_062009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:15:29 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 But the subject was "fuel economy for the 4.0"! LOL! (they don't run as well on Dsmell) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 I have free BioDiesel... must have a Diesel engine... john _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y SkyDrive^Y: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:19:47 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon-R16884" Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator Did the open knuckle design improve the turning radius? - - L - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Blair Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:11 PM To: john Meister Cc: local Jeep list; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com; fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator I'm hoping to be able to do that eventually with my '67 GMC shortbox stepside 4x4 powered by the 454 in my '81 Chev. (It'll have Wagoneer axles in it for tighter turning radius) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:32:21 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com; fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator > > I've had daydreams of dropping a 455 in a wag, lowering > it a bit, big sway bars, wide tires and then go out and > stomp on bmws... > > > > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > > # http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3351213 > # > # http://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/1238087195.html > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tu toria > # l_QuickAdd_062009 > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial _Storage_062009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 well, I was exploring the possibilities of making an economical toxic-stink motor... but then I remembered the green machine purpose... efficiency, non-toxic, non-polluting, and with gobs of torque and reliability... only with an oil-burner... spark plugs not required... real engines rattle... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # But the subject was "fuel economy for the 4.0"! LOL! (they don't run as well on Dsmell) # # # From: john # Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 # # I have free BioDiesel... must have a Diesel engine... # # john # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live(TM) SkyDrive(TM): Get 25 GB of free online storage. # http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator absolutely! '73 and up... '74 and up disc brakes... those old closed knuckle setups required a football field for a u-turn. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote: # Did the open knuckle design improve the turning radius? # # - L # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # Jim Blair # Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:11 PM # To: john Meister # Cc: local Jeep list; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com; # fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com # Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator # # I'm hoping to be able to do that eventually with my '67 GMC shortbox # stepside # 4x4 powered by the 454 in my '81 Chev. (It'll have Wagoneer axles in it # for # tighter turning radius) # # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:32:21 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com; # fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com # > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator # > # > I've had daydreams of dropping a 455 in a wag, lowering # > it a bit, big sway bars, wide tires and then go out and # > stomp on bmws... # > # > # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3351213 # > # # > # http://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/1238087195.html # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. # > # # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tu # toria # > # l_QuickAdd_062009 # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut # orial # _Storage_062009 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:22:58 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 "efficiency, non-toxic, non-polluting, and with gobs of torque and reliability..." Then why do so many agencies regulate the stink from diesels? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:22:43 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: xj-at-digest.net; dzashby-at-comcast.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 > > well, I was exploring the possibilities of making an economical > toxic-stink motor... but then I remembered the green machine purpose... > > efficiency, non-toxic, non-polluting, and with gobs of torque and reliability... > > only with an oil-burner... spark plugs not required... > > real engines rattle... > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # But the subject was "fuel economy for the 4.0"! LOL! (they don't run as well on Dsmell) > # > # > # From: john > # Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 > # > # I have free BioDiesel... must have a Diesel engine... > # > # john > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Windows Live(TM) SkyDrive(TM): Get 25 GB of free online storage. > # http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 > # _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that^Rs right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:25:07 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator The Wagoneer axles are narrower, which helps turning radius even more. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:23:30 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: landon.tesar-at-freescale.com > CC: carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com; fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator > > absolutely! > > '73 and up... '74 and up disc brakes... > > those old closed knuckle setups required a football field for a u-turn. > > john > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote: > > # Did the open knuckle design improve the turning radius? > # > # - L > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > # Jim Blair > # Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:11 PM > # To: john Meister > # Cc: local Jeep list; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com; > # fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com > # Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator > # > # I'm hoping to be able to do that eventually with my '67 GMC shortbox > # stepside > # 4x4 powered by the 454 in my '81 Chev. (It'll have Wagoneer axles in it > # for > # tighter turning radius) > # > # > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > # > # ---------------------------------------- > #> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:32:21 -0700 > #> From: john-at-wagoneers.com > #> To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > #> CC: fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-nw-at-yahoogroups.com; > # fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com > #> Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Google Alert - Jeep Gladiator > #> > #> I've had daydreams of dropping a 455 in a wag, lowering > #> it a bit, big sway bars, wide tires and then go out and > #> stomp on bmws... > #> > #> > #> > #> ----- > #> > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > #> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > #> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > #> > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #> > #> > #> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > #> > #> # http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3351213 > #> # > #> # http://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/1238087195.html > #> # > #> # _________________________________________________________________ > #> # Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. > #> # > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tu > # toria > #> # l_QuickAdd_062009 > #> # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. > # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut > # orial > # _Storage_062009 > # _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 because they're run by a bunch of ignorant bureaucrats who listen to a bunch of granola eaters, neither of which ever studied chemistry, physics or mechanics... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # # "efficiency, non-toxic, non-polluting, and with gobs of torque and reliability..." # Then why do so many agencies regulate the stink from diesels? # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:22:43 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; dzashby-at-comcast.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 # > # > well, I was exploring the possibilities of making an economical # > toxic-stink motor... but then I remembered the green machine purpose... # > # > efficiency, non-toxic, non-polluting, and with gobs of torque and reliability... # > # > only with an oil-burner... spark plugs not required... # > # > real engines rattle... # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # # > # But the subject was "fuel economy for the 4.0"! LOL! (they don't run as well on Dsmell) # > # # > # # > # From: john # > # Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: fuel economy for the 4.0 # > # # > # I have free BioDiesel... must have a Diesel engine... # > # # > # john # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Windows Live(TM) SkyDrive(TM): Get 25 GB of free online storage. # > # http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3367 **************************