From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Aug 5 22:43:31 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, August 6 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3395 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion RE: fsj: another Diesel conversion Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion fsj: Re: [db] another Diesel conversion Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion RE: fsj: another Diesel conversion RE: fsj: another Diesel conversion fsj: cleaning out the shed FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:46:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana Eichert Subject: Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion John After reading your genset / welder swap I thought you might be interested in this, https://www.surpluscenter.com/Item.asp?UID=2009080411335711&catname=engines&item=28-1726 I believe you just got the diesel genset, but you could sell it, then use the little 500cc Cat 2 cyl diesel. Power 13.7 HP -at- 3600 RPM Power 11.0 HP -at- 2800 RPM diana On Tue, 3 Aug 2009, diesel john wrote: > thinking about doing some minor engine swaps in my shop... > > have a gas welder/generator, a Power Arc 4000 > and a Diesel generator, a DG4LE > > both are around 4KW... the question is whether I can take the Diesel engine > and mount it on the Power Arc 4000 welder/gen setup. Would like to see if there's > even a chance before starting to take 'em apart... > > manuals and pictures at: > > http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/GENERATOR_DIESEL/COMPARE.html > > http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/GENERATOR_DIESEL/ > > thanx, > john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion that little 2 cylinder Diesel would make for a great electric car setup... on board power, have a bank of batteries within reason, maybe have a 50 mile range on battery with that Diesel to recharge and supplement power when charging... $700 makes this a realistic FSJ/XJ electric hybrid idea... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: # John # After reading your genset / welder swap I thought you might be interested in # this, # https://www.surpluscenter.com/Item.asp?UID=2009080411335711&catname=engines&item=28-1726 # # I believe you just got the diesel genset, but you could sell it, then use the # little 500cc Cat 2 cyl diesel. # # Power 13.7 HP -at- 3600 RPM # Power 11.0 HP -at- 2800 RPM # # diana # # On Tue, 3 Aug 2009, diesel john wrote: # > have a gas welder/generator, a Power Arc 4000 # > and a Diesel generator, a DG4LE # > manuals and pictures at: # > http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/GENERATOR_DIESEL/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: another Diesel conversion since they both put out right at 4kw I'm assuming the power output is very, very close... Diesels are so much more efficient and usually have more torque, so like you said, would be nice if they provided complete rating info. I have no trouble believing that a 6hp Diesel would compete with an 8hp gas... makes perfect sense to those of us that drive Diesels... HP is overrated in gas engines anyway... ;) Diesels rule, gas stinks. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # # The power is close on both units at the same RPM, but the diesel is rated 6 HP at 3600 and the gas is rated 8 HP at 3700 (wonder if it would hurt the diesel to turn the RPM up slightly?) This is assuming both have the same size pulleys. If you go slightly bigger on the diesel pulley, the RPM would match up. (1/36th bigger to be "exact!") # Don't know about the effect on the torque though (wish they were rated the "real" way!) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:35:15 -0700 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: # > Subject: fsj: another Diesel conversion # > # > thinking about doing some minor engine swaps in my shop... # > # > have a gas welder/generator, a Power Arc 4000 # > and a Diesel generator, a DG4LE # > # > both are around 4KW... the question is whether I can take the Diesel engine # > and mount it on the Power Arc 4000 welder/gen setup. Would like to see if there's # > even a chance before starting to take 'em apart... # > # > manuals and pictures at: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/GENERATOR_DIESEL/COMPARE.html # > # > http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/GENERATOR_DIESEL/ # > # > # > # > thanx, # > john # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. # http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion sorry about that kev, I should have put a warning in the title, my bad. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Kevin wrote: # Cool. Now I know what it feels like to choke on popcorn. :P # # Note to self, do NOT always keep popcorn on hand when reading John's posts. # # On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 11:43:23AM -0700, john wrote: # > that little 2 cylinder Diesel would make for a great electric car setup... # > on board power, have a bank of batteries within reason, maybe have a 50 mile # > range on battery with that Diesel to recharge and supplement power when charging... # > # > $700 makes this a realistic FSJ/XJ electric hybrid idea... :) # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] another Diesel conversion On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # *** Gee, that Lincoln is mighty pretty. Personally, I'd think twice # before messing it up. exactly my thought. hence the question to the collective. :) if I could find a mig/tig that would work on the Diesel gen and cost less than what I could sell the lincoln for... well, I'd consider it... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:45:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana Eichert Subject: Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion How about a tug hybrid? ;-) Yeah, I'm tempted to buy one and leave it crated out in the shop until I have time to do something with it. Apparently they had the same engine with the Perkins label on it forsale a couple of months ago for $599 + shipping. I stumbled across it while reading the lister engine forum yesterday. diana On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, john wrote: > that little 2 cylinder Diesel would make for a great electric car setup... > on board power, have a bank of batteries within reason, maybe have a 50 mile > range on battery with that Diesel to recharge and supplement power when charging... > > $700 makes this a realistic FSJ/XJ electric hybrid idea... :) > > john > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: > > # John > # After reading your genset / welder swap I thought you might be interested in > # this, > # https://www.surpluscenter.com/Item.asp?UID=2009080411335711&catname=engines&item=28-1726 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion very cool... the tug is too heavy... it weighs 4,400lbs. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: # How about a tug hybrid? ;-) # # Yeah, I'm tempted to buy one and leave it crated out in the shop until I have # time to do something with it. # # Apparently they had the same engine with the Perkins label on it forsale a # couple of months ago for $599 + shipping. # # I stumbled across it while reading the lister engine forum yesterday. # # diana # # On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, john wrote: # # > that little 2 cylinder Diesel would make for a great electric car setup... # > on board power, have a bank of batteries within reason, maybe have a 50 # > mile # > range on battery with that Diesel to recharge and supplement power when # > charging... # > # > $700 makes this a realistic FSJ/XJ electric hybrid idea... :) # > # > john # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: # > # > # John # > # After reading your genset / welder swap I thought you might be interested # > # in # > # this, # > # https://www.surpluscenter.com/Item.asp?UID=2009080411335711&catname=engines&item=28-1726 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:21:24 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: another Diesel conversion What I would like to find is a small (-at-12 HP) liquid cooled gas motor capable of running on LPG with a combo 12VDC/110AC generator (I would possibly put an air compressor on it as well, maybe with a switching mechanism to go from one to the other and even a welder ) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:59:29 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: deichert-at-wrench.com > CC: xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion > > very cool... the tug is too heavy... it weighs 4,400lbs. ;) _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US :SI_PH_software:082009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:30:45 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: another Diesel conversion I'm taking another whack at building my LPG rig (unless I happen to find a Toyota 2LT motor with auto bell) as I have a '91 XJ in decent enough shape to do up (ceiling material is sagging and driver's seat has a mismatched junkyard replacement) I found this system on Ebay http://www.poweredbypropane.net/ Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:43:23 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: deichert-at-wrench.com > CC: xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: another Diesel conversion > > that little 2 cylinder Diesel would make for a great electric car setup... > on board power, have a bank of batteries within reason, maybe have a 50 mile > range on battery with that Diesel to recharge and supplement power when charging... > > $700 makes this a realistic FSJ/XJ electric hybrid idea... :) > > john > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: > > # John > # After reading your genset / welder swap I thought you might be interested in > # this, > # https://www.surpluscenter.com/Item.asp?UID=2009080411335711&catname=engines&i tem=28-1726 > # > # I believe you just got the diesel genset, but you could sell it, then use the > # little 500cc Cat 2 cyl diesel. > # > # Power 13.7 HP -at- 3600 RPM > # Power 11.0 HP -at- 2800 RPM > # > # diana > # > # On Tue, 3 Aug 2009, diesel john wrote: > #> have a gas welder/generator, a Power Arc 4000 > #> and a Diesel generator, a DG4LE > #> manuals and pictures at: > #> http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/GENERATOR_DIESEL/ _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live^Y: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_syn c:082009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:42:20 -0400 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: cleaning out the shed I have been cleaning out my shed while attempting to reduce the amount of stuff I have by putting my project cars back together and I have come across some stuff that is either extra parts or stuff that came with parts cars that don't have a use on any of my projects. Anyway I have two tallights (the vertical style). One of them came off a 1983 Cherokee that surrendered it's quarter panels, rocker panels, a front fender, a whole floorboard(to a friend) and a door, and the other was given to me by a retiring mechanic at Chrysler who was an old AMC guy. I believe they are both left hand sides (either that or they are interchangable). They don't appear to be worth much on ebay so if someone is willing to pay shipping and something for packing (like $5 would be fine) I'd be happy to pass them on to someone who will use them. I can send a pic...contact me off list. Mark Wallace 81 Wagoneer ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3395 **************************