From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Aug 7 19:48:18 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, August 8 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3396 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: OT: Liberty plug changes fsj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes fsj: Re: xj: OT: Liberty plug changes Re: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes RE: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes RE: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes RE: fsj: Gladiator - bed correct? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: JeepNut Subject: fsj: OT: Liberty plug changes Howdy all, Got a co-worker asking if I would change plugs on his '08 Dodge Liberty Jeep Nitro thing. 3.7l. Says it has some coil on the plug setup. Not familiar, but doesn't worry me too much. Just sparkplugs. But wondering if anyone knows of any caveats. I've only worked on the old stuff so there could be something like BE SURE TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY on these things. Anybody? Thanks! JeepNut - ---------------------------------------------------------- '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, still in daily use... '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. '88 Grand Wagoneer - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:26:00 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon-R16884" Subject: fsj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes Sounds a little expensive. But I guess you don't pay for plug wires. How many miles? - - Landon - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of JeepNut Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:23 PM To: FSJ List; xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: OT: Liberty plug changes Howdy all, Got a co-worker asking if I would change plugs on his '08 Dodge Liberty Jeep Nitro thing. 3.7l. Says it has some coil on the plug setup. Not familiar, but doesn't worry me too much. Just sparkplugs. But wondering if anyone knows of any caveats. I've only worked on the old stuff so there could be something like BE SURE TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY on these things. Anybody? Thanks! JeepNut - ---------------------------------------------------------- '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, still in daily use... '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. '88 Grand Wagoneer - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: JeepNut Subject: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes He's saying its got a little over 40K on it and is rough at idle. He's not a "jeepguy" but I can't t/s it for him so I'm just "have tools will travel". He's making the call. ;-) JeepNut - ---------------------------------------------------------- '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, still in daily use... '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. '88 Grand Wagoneer - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 - --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote: > From: Tesar Landon-R16884 > Subject: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes > To: xj-at-digest.net, "FSJ List" > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:26 PM > Sounds a little expensive. > But I guess you don't pay for plug wires. > How many miles? > > - Landon > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] > On Behalf Of > JeepNut > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:23 PM > To: FSJ List; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: xj: OT: Liberty plug changes > > Howdy all, > Got a co-worker asking if I would change plugs on his '08 > Dodge Liberty > Jeep Nitro thing. 3.7l. > Says it has some coil on the plug setup. > Not familiar, but doesn't worry me too much. > Just sparkplugs. But wondering if anyone knows of any > caveats. > I've only worked on the old stuff so there could be > something like BE > SURE TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY on these things. > Anybody? > Thanks! > > > JeepNut > ---------------------------------------------------------- > '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's > hers. > '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, still in daily use... > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > '88 Grand Wagoneer > - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 > 600cfm 4bbl, > TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R > -3:31- > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended > brake lines, > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > - ---------------------------------------------------------- > Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: OT: Liberty plug changes piece of cake, but expect a wrestling match if you haven't done 'em before. there is a tool to pull them off... if you do it manually be careful not to break them, if you do, I have the codes that you should be able to extract through the odometer by on-off-on-off-on... should be the same as the 4.7L V8, which is a superb engine, while the 3.7 is NOT. gutless... anyway, once you've got the coil assembly off, it's a regular spark plug, they started doing this even on the 4.0L I-6 half way through '99. no spark plug wires... very nice. the 4.7's electronics are amazing... I finally pullled the plugs on mine with 160,000 miles on it, not sure when they were last changed, but there was a whisker of electrode left and it still worked and ran just fine... way better than any 360 V8 boat anchor I've ever owned... enjoy... and no need to disconnect anything, just have fun... try to pull straight up... be careful, one of the ones I did was really miserable to get them off... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, JeepNut wrote: # Howdy all, # Got a co-worker asking if I would change plugs on his '08 Dodge Liberty Jeep Nitro thing. 3.7l. # Says it has some coil on the plug setup. # Not familiar, but doesn't worry me too much. # Just sparkplugs. But wondering if anyone knows of any caveats. # I've only worked on the old stuff so there could be something like BE SURE TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY on these things. # Anybody? # Thanks! # # # JeepNut # ---------------------------------------------------------- # '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. # '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, still in daily use... # '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. # '88 Grand Wagoneer # - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, # TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- # B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, # ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 # 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. # ---------------------------------------------------------- # Registered Linux user #287453 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes could be dirty injectors... check and read the plugs as you pull them, 40k might be plugs... verify the gap with the under hood label and use a small amount of anti-seize when reinstalling... the plugs should all be on top and easy to access, you'll have to remove the air intake plastic shroud and possibly one other bolt on thing, can't remember now... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, JeepNut wrote: # He's saying its got a little over 40K on it and is rough at idle. # He's not a # "jeepguy" but I can't t/s it for him so I'm just "have tools will travel". # He's making the call. ;-) # # # JeepNut # ---------------------------------------------------------- # '04 Grand Cherokee # Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. # '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, still in # daily use... # '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. # '88 Grand Wagoneer # - # '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, # TFI System # upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- # B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop # pittman, stainless extended brake lines, # ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot # 33x12.5x15 # 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. # ---------------------------------------------------------- # Registered Linux # user #287453 # # # --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Tesar Landon-R16884 # wrote: # # > From: Tesar Landon-R16884 # # > Subject: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes # > To: # xj-at-digest.net, "FSJ List" # > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, # 4:26 PM # > Sounds a little expensive. # > But I guess you don't pay for plug # wires. # > How many miles? # > # > - Landon # > -----Original Message----- # > From: # owner-xj-at-digest.net # > [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] # > On Behalf Of # > JeepNut # > # Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:23 PM # > To: FSJ List; xj-at-digest.net # > # Subject: xj: OT: Liberty plug changes # > # > Howdy all, # > Got a co-worker asking # if I would change plugs on his '08 # > Dodge Liberty # > Jeep Nitro thing. 3.7l. # > Says it has some coil on the plug setup. # > Not familiar, but doesn't worry # me too much. # > Just sparkplugs. But wondering if anyone knows of any # > # caveats. # > I've only worked on the old stuff so there could be # > something # like BE # > SURE TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY on these things. # > Anybody? # > Thanks! # > # > # > JeepNut # > ---------------------------------------------------------- # > # '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's # > hers. # > '92 Cherokee Laredo, # bought new, still in daily use... # > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. # > '88 Grand Wagoneer # > - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 # > # 600cfm 4bbl, # > TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R # > -3:31- # > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended # > brake lines, # > # ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 # > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, # IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. # > # ---------------------------------------------------------- # > Registered Linux # user #287453 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:11:35 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes Those col on plug have a high failure rate. Mopar dealers have been getting replacements from us (NAPA) > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:33:21 -0700 > From: thejeepnut-at-yahoo.com > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes > To: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net > > He's saying its got a little over 40K on it and is rough at idle. > He's not a > "jeepguy" but I can't t/s it for him so I'm just "have tools will travel". > He's making the call. ;-) > > > JeepNut > ---------------------------------------------------------- > '04 Grand Cherokee > Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. > '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, still in > daily use... > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > '88 Grand Wagoneer > - > '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, > TFI System > upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop > pittman, stainless extended brake lines, > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot > 33x12.5x15 > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Registered Linux > user #287453 > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Tesar Landon-R16884 > wrote: > > > From: Tesar Landon-R16884 > > > Subject: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes > > To: > xj-at-digest.net, "FSJ List" > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, > 4:26 PM > > Sounds a little expensive. > > But I guess you don't pay for plug > wires. > > How many miles? > > > > - Landon > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > owner-xj-at-digest.net > > [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] > > On Behalf Of > > JeepNut > > > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:23 PM > > To: FSJ List; xj-at-digest.net > > > Subject: xj: OT: Liberty plug changes > > > > Howdy all, > > Got a co-worker asking > if I would change plugs on his '08 > > Dodge Liberty > > Jeep Nitro thing. 3.7l. > > Says it has some coil on the plug setup. > > Not familiar, but doesn't worry > me too much. > > Just sparkplugs. But wondering if anyone knows of any > > > caveats. > > I've only worked on the old stuff so there could be > > something > like BE > > SURE TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY on these things. > > Anybody? > > Thanks! > > > > > > JeepNut > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's > > hers. > > '92 Cherokee Laredo, > bought new, still in daily use... > > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > > '88 Grand Wagoneer > > - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 > > > 600cfm 4bbl, > > TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R > > -3:31- > > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended > > brake lines, > > > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 > > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, > IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Registered Linux > user #287453 _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackTo School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:29:48 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes Yep, sounds expen$ive, if you have to change all the 6 coils.... if one fails? I guess this is progre$$, it get$$$$ way better w the V8. Coils do not like oil bath, I had to help on a bimmer once.... same design.... If you mess up, you have to replace the coil. The only thing I did was finding a good forum to ask questions... if you think that the full size jeeps are bad.... Most european cars take the lead in repair$$$, sorry John, but to make you all laugh, French cars are not even in the race, they do not qualify for longevity.... Michel 74 wag > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > To: thejeepnut-at-yahoo.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:11:35 -0700 > > Those col on plug have a high failure rate. Mopar dealers have been getting > replacements from us (NAPA) > > > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:33:21 -0700 > > From: thejeepnut-at-yahoo.com > > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes > > To: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net > > > > He's saying its got a little over 40K on it and is rough at idle. > > He's not a > > "jeepguy" but I can't t/s it for him so I'm just "have tools will travel". > > He's making the call. ;-) > > > > > > JeepNut > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > '04 Grand Cherokee > > Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. > > '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, still in > > daily use... > > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > > '88 Grand Wagoneer > > - > > '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, > > TFI System > > upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- > > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop > > pittman, stainless extended brake lines, > > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot > > 33x12.5x15 > > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Registered Linux > > user #287453 > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Tesar Landon-R16884 > > wrote: > > > > > From: Tesar Landon-R16884 > > > > > Subject: xj: RE: OT: Liberty plug changes > > > To: > > xj-at-digest.net, "FSJ List" > > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, > > 4:26 PM > > > Sounds a little expensive. > > > But I guess you don't pay for plug > > wires. > > > How many miles? > > > > > > - Landon > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: > > owner-xj-at-digest.net > > > [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] > > > On Behalf Of > > > JeepNut > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:23 PM > > > To: FSJ List; xj-at-digest.net > > > > > Subject: xj: OT: Liberty plug changes > > > > > > Howdy all, > > > Got a co-worker asking > > if I would change plugs on his '08 > > > Dodge Liberty > > > Jeep Nitro thing. 3.7l. > > > Says it has some coil on the plug setup. > > > Not familiar, but doesn't worry > > me too much. > > > Just sparkplugs. But wondering if anyone knows of any > > > > > caveats. > > > I've only worked on the old stuff so there could be > > > something > > like BE > > > SURE TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY on these things. > > > Anybody? > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > JeepNut > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's > > > hers. > > > '92 Cherokee Laredo, > > bought new, still in daily use... > > > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > > > '88 Grand Wagoneer > > > - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 > > > > > 600cfm 4bbl, > > > TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R > > > -3:31- > > > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended > > > brake lines, > > > > > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 > > > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, > > IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Registered Linux > > user #287453 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackTo > School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:46:27 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon-R16884" Subject: RE: fsj: Gladiator - bed correct? I called on the Glad today. http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/1292690398.html He says it should start right up with some gas (it was drained) and a battery, so will head up there tomorrow morning. It was running fine, drivetrain is tight. I've read that the Tornado has a history of cooling problems and the block/heads should not be shaved or planed, or it causes timing to be retarded, that's not a good combination. It was a forest service truck, a little more heavy duty than base 1/2 ton, 3 shifters, 3 spd. I'll get some pictures. Brakes are unknown, and I've been bit by that before - International drums are tough to find and can't say I see any for this guy either, at least so far. Tires are some kind of industrial/knobby, sounds pretty stock. Rocker panels are rusted out and must be replaced. - rivets and welding, grinding, primer and paint...anything else to be concerned about? I'll look for frame rot. Please any advice?? - - Landon //////////////////////////////////// # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # john # Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:27 PM # To: Tesar Landon-R16884 # Cc: local Jeep list # Subject: Re: fsj: Gladiator - bed correct? # # yes. # # even my stepside bed is the same as the Willys pickups... # # it's the long wheel base version... even has the original tornado # engine, cool. # my '65 stepside was the shorter version of that bed... # # excellent price... # # john # # # # ----- # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote: # # # Hey, can someone take a look and tell me if the bed looks correct on # # this '63 Gladiator? # # Looks like it came from a Willys pickup, there may be a reason for # that # # :) # # http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/1292690398.html # # # # - Landon # # # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3396 **************************