From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Aug 15 09:40:33 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, August 15 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3404 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: seeking 4.2 automatic fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW Re: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW RE: fsj: seeking 4.2 automatic RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW RE: fsj: synthetic oil doesn't burn quite as easily as dino RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:58:25 -0700 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: fsj-at-digest.net; CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com; Jeepbuilder-at-comcast.net; Machine.ad-at-comcast.net; carnuck-at-hotmail.com > Subject: fsj: seeking 4.2 automatic > > looking for a good 727 with flex plate and > tc for a 4.2. will use in cj-10a. > > thanx > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US :SI_PH_software:082009 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 06:15:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 06:28:45 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW Personally, I would not bother to fix the compass. As for the oil.... a little of those snake oils that guarantee you to pass smog test in the oil could help a bit. Does it smoke at startup or during steep downhill. I forgot where are you? Michel 74wag 85Gwag(non smoking, but using too much oil) > From: pk.mlk-at-verizon.net > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:48:04 -0700 > > Been lurking for a while. > > > > Prepping the "Final Edition" model 1991 Grand Wagoneer to sell. I am > installing a new headliner and have removed the overhead console. Have > removed the Compass/Temperature Module that was bad. I have located the > (apparent) problem with the module: A 100uf 35v electrolytic capacitor and > a diode are burned on the board as well as at least one trace. The "Team > Wagoneer" website has one for ~$160, but I don't want to spend that much as > I am prepping it to be sold. Any suggestions? > > > > Should I: > > 1) Simply re-install the console with the module inop (keep the GW > original), or > > 2) Not install the console, covering the original hole in the > headliner and use the dome/map lights out of "The Deerslayer" (my '84 GW) > > > > Also, I have not run the Jeep in a while and it previously had been burning > some oil as evidenced by a little blue smoke. Now it is smoking more than I > had thought it was. Is there something I can put in the engine to help seal > it? I have another engine from the Deerslayer that only has ~30K miles on > it. I was going to make a package deal on the FSJ and the engine, so should > I even bother doing anything with the smoking? > > > > Gotta get rid of some of these cars. > > > > -Paul Kershner > > > > 1991 Grand Wagoneer (sell) > > 1991 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo (sell) > > 2000 Volvo V70 AWD (sell) > > 2007 Acura MDX (want to sell, but she wants to keep.) > > 2005 Kawasaki Vulcan 1600 (No way, I'm keepin' it!) _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackTo School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:21:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW Paul, You could bring the module by the monster carport in Snohomish, I could repair the trace and replace the parts. I've got a little experience with such things... I've had to fix a few things like that over the years... :) as far as the oil burning, it could just be stuck rings, you could try using an engine cleaner or even synthetic oil to loosen things up... also, synthetic oil doesn't burn quite as easily as dino oil... and I just happen to know a local amsoil dealer... not that I have any need, or any money, but curious how much for the GW and the 300D... maybe you'd take an '86 cj-10a in trade for the both of them? ;) it gets a solid 18 mpg in town. give me a jingle on the module... if you can verify that the input to the module is ok in the GW I'm reasonably certain we can patch it up... if nothing else you could visit olympic and find one out of an XJ. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Paul & Megan wrote: # Been lurking for a while. # # Prepping the "Final Edition" model 1991 Grand Wagoneer to sell. I am # installing a new headliner and have removed the overhead console. Have # removed the Compass/Temperature Module that was bad. I have located the # (apparent) problem with the module: A 100uf 35v electrolytic capacitor and # a diode are burned on the board as well as at least one trace. The "Team # Wagoneer" website has one for ~$160, but I don't want to spend that much as # I am prepping it to be sold. Any suggestions? # # Should I: # 1) Simply re-install the console with the module inop (keep the GW # original), or # 2) Not install the console, covering the original hole in the # headliner and use the dome/map lights out of "The Deerslayer" (my '84 GW) # # Also, I have not run the Jeep in a while and it previously had been burning # some oil as evidenced by a little blue smoke. Now it is smoking more than I # had thought it was. Is there something I can put in the engine to help seal # it? I have another engine from the Deerslayer that only has ~30K miles on # it. I was going to make a package deal on the FSJ and the engine, so should # I even bother doing anything with the smoking? # # Gotta get rid of some of these cars. # -Paul Kershner # 1991 Grand Wagoneer (sell) # 1991 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo (sell) # 2000 Volvo V70 AWD (sell) # 2007 Acura MDX (want to sell, but she wants to keep.) # 2005 Kawasaki Vulcan 1600 (No way, I'm keepin' it!) # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: seeking 4.2 automatic excellent. thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # I think I have a flexplate in my storage someplace. Probably won't have time # to look till thursday. I bought it brand new from Zack at Z&M Jeeps. I might # have a used one someplace too. # # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will # like them only Entangle and hold the poor and # weak, while the rich and powerful will easily # break through them # # ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) # # # # > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:58:25 -0700 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: fsj-at-digest.net; CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com; Jeepbuilder-at-comcast.net; # Machine.ad-at-comcast.net; carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > Subject: fsj: seeking 4.2 automatic # > # > looking for a good 727 with flex plate and # > tc for a 4.2. will use in cj-10a. # > # > thanx # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get free photo software from Windows Live # http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US # :SI_PH_software:082009 # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:32:55 -0700 From: "Paul & Megan" Subject: RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW Thanks, Michel. I'm thinking I'm going to leave it stock - maybe I'll try fixing the module myself - its only about $5 in parts and repairing some traces. If that doesn't work - Oh well. I am in Monroe, WA. Just about 25 minutes from John Meister's place. - -Paul _____ From: Michel Balea [mailto:mbalea-at-hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:29 PM To: pk.mlk-at-verizon.net; fsj digest Subject: RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW Personally, I would not bother to fix the compass. As for the oil.... a little of those snake oils that guarantee you to pass smog test in the oil could help a bit. Does it smoke at startup or during steep downhill. I forgot where are you? Michel 74wag 85Gwag(non smoking, but using too much oil) > From: pk.mlk-at-verizon.net > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:48:04 -0700 > > Been lurking for a while. > > > > Prepping the "Final Edition" model 1991 Grand Wagoneer to sell. I am > installing a new headliner and have removed the overhead console. Have > removed the Compass/Temperature Module that was bad. I have located the > (apparent) problem with the module: A 100uf 35v electrolytic capacitor and > a diode are burned on the board as well as at least one trace. The "Team > Wagoneer" website has one for ~$160, but I don't want to spend that much as > I am prepping it to be sold. Any suggestions? > > > > Should I: > > 1) Simply re-install the console with the module inop (keep the GW > original), or > > 2) Not install the console, covering the original hole in the > headliner and use the dome/map lights out of "The Deerslayer" (my '84 GW) > > > > Also, I have not run the Jeep in a while and it previously had been burning > some oil as evidenced by a little blue smoke. Now it is smoking more than I > had thought it was. Is there something I can put in the engine to help seal > it? I have another engine from the Deerslayer that only has ~30K miles on > it. I was going to make a package deal on the FSJ and the engine, so should > I even bother doing anything with the smoking? > > > > Gotta get rid of some of these cars. > > > > -Paul Kershner > > > > 1991 Grand Wagoneer (sell) > > 1991 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo (sell) > > 2000 Volvo V70 AWD (sell) > > 2007 Acura MDX (want to sell, but she wants to keep.) > > 2005 Kawasaki Vulcan 1600 (No way, I'm keepin' it!) _____ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:36:59 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: synthetic oil doesn't burn quite as easily as dino From: john: also, synthetic oil doesn't burn quite as easily as dino oil... hummmm, I guess I should try that.... the 85Gwag (the only vehicle in the fleet that qualify for C4C) is at about 1Q per 200 miles! The valve seals are most likely the culprits.... need to do a compression check. Now the manifold exhaust leak is fixed (new manifold and copper gasket), I can hear what is happening under the hood, the motor is a lot quieter, before it sounded like some loose valves. Michel _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:39:03 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW Now that John volunteer to fix the compass, we will need a little photo "howto". I bought some years ago the overhead, then realized that the module is somewhere behind the grille! So I have one more part in the bin. Michel From: pk.mlk-at-verizon.net To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:32:55 -0700 Thanks, Michel. I^Rm thinking I^Rm going to leave it stock ^V maybe I^Rll try fixing the module myself ^V its only about $5 in parts and repairing some traces. If that doesn^Rt work ^V Oh well^E I am in Monroe, WA. Just about 25 minutes from John Meister^Rs place. - -Paul From: Michel Balea [mailto:mbalea-at-hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:29 PM To: pk.mlk-at-verizon.net; fsj digest Subject: RE: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW Personally, I would not bother to fix the compass. As for the oil.... a little of those snake oils that guarantee you to pass smog test in the oil could help a bit. Does it smoke at startup or during steep downhill. I forgot where are you? Michel 74wag 85Gwag(non smoking, but using too much oil) > From: pk.mlk-at-verizon.net > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Compass/Temperature Module in 1991 GW > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:48:04 -0700 > > Been lurking for a while. > > > > Prepping the "Final Edition" model 1991 Grand Wagoneer to sell. I am > installing a new headliner and have removed the overhead console. Have > removed the Compass/Temperature Module that was bad. I have located the > (apparent) problem with the module: A 100uf 35v electrolytic capacitor and > a diode are burned on the board as well as at least one trace. The "Team > Wagoneer" website has one for ~$160, but I don't want to spend that much as > I am prepping it to be sold. Any suggestions? > > > > Should I: > > 1) Simply re-install the console with the module inop (keep the GW > original), or > > 2) Not install the console, covering the original hole in the > headliner and use the dome/map lights out of "The Deerslayer" (my '84 GW) > > > > Also, I have not run the Jeep in a while and it previously had been burning > some oil as evidenced by a little blue smoke. Now it is smoking more than I > had thought it was. Is there something I can put in the engine to help seal > it? I have another engine from the Deerslayer that only has ~30K miles on > it. I was going to make a package deal on the FSJ and the engine, so should > I even bother doing anything with the smoking? > > > > Gotta get rid of some of these cars. > > > > -Paul Kershner > > > > 1991 Grand Wagoneer (sell) > > 1991 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo (sell) > > 2000 Volvo V70 AWD (sell) > > 2007 Acura MDX (want to sell, but she wants to keep.) > > 2005 Kawasaki Vulcan 1600 (No way, I'm keepin' it!) Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackTo School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3404 **************************