From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Nov 16 14:56:42 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, November 16 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3467 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: new parts for your toys or new toys for your trucks? Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. fsj: Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues fsj: RE: J20 radiator FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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You decide! http://www.carolinaclassictrucks.com/DEI-030309.html _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:44:54 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. man, I've parted out a few FSJs that had those parts... need a barn so I don't have to get rid of stuff like that... :( ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # # # No arguments that BJ's has parts that are otherwise unobtainium. And some of the time paying a premium is the right option...when your vendor knows the car and knows the parts paying a premium is great...especially after the person at the counter at Pep Boys, Auto Zone, and Napa have all looked at you like you were from Mars. (my Napa is actually pretty good) Fuel filler hose as it is is expensive. My question is is there anything special about the two filler hoses like one end molded bigger than the other? And since I asked the question I realized that that quarter panel is going, both door skins on that side are going, and that rocker panel is going, and I need to repair the front fender on that side. On the other side I think only the rocker is going...everything else can be repaired. Oh yeah...my hood and my tailgate are both dented and I have no idea how much rust is in the tailgate. Anyone repaired a rusted out tailgate? # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wag # # # # # # # # # # -----Original Message----- # From: john # To: wallacem7-at-aol.com # Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 5:36 pm # Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. # # # # # # # # # # # bj has done a lot of searching and gathering some fine parts... # but if he found it, it's out there... you can do the work and # save a bit, or buy it from him and support his FSJ habits. ;) # # it is special material, but it's available at napa, but not cheap, # getting it from bjs you know it'll be right and work. less hassle # than sourcing stuff on your own. # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # # # My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your frame is # # still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's empty) clean # # up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, maybe wire # # wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and then # # paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or Rust-oleum # are # # both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would # suggest # # replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as well. # # # # Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler hoses or # # are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's BJ's has # # seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the Auto # # Zone or the Pep Boys. # # # # The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project car. I was # # able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the process # of # # cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was 27 # # degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could start. # # Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the Jeep) and # # when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I welded # # in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I had been # # scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I also # found # # a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's better # # there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. # # # # Mark Wallace # # 81 Wag # # # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:26:43 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. I got my fuel filler hose at a local parts place, not the chain stores. I stopped at a truck "semi" repair place and they sent me to "commons auto parts". The 74 has the 1.75" diameter hose, it was $12 or so a foot 8 years ago. As for the curve part a muffler shop did the curve piece. Good point about the rear brake line, I was lucky to buy one from the dealership 6 years ago $25 for the 8" piece pre bent.... and it was sitting above the bookcase..... It was replaced this year when I decided to finally change the flex part (OEM 35 year old part) that started to crack.... and yes the metal line was so thin due to corrosion that it snapped at the elbow. I managed to slide the metal line and snap it inside the retainers on the frame after loosening the gas tank.... but I am lucky, I do not have a skid plate.... I do have a skid plate in the garage... Cheer to you for working at such low temp..... A few years ago I was helping a friend in December.... near Seattle....(probably not too far from John's) and realized why people buy new cars... not to freeze their fingers at nite while fixing their vehicle..... It was cold... we had to run into the house to warm up tools and fingers.... As for dealership..... no more dealership Jeep dealer in SF, we need to drive 25miles East or 35 miles south to find one. Yes to supporting BJ's, they are really good, and sometimes cheaper than the local places.... even after adding a next day delivery.... Michel 74wag > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:09:42 -0800 > > Parts rigs have been pretty easy to come by around here and parts from a lot > of years interchange (I put the manual rear winder and glass from a > retrofitted '88 GW into my '83 Cherokee) Whole tailgates for -at-$50 or so (I > sold an immaculate '84 GW gate to someone in NJ but a UPS driver there drove > over it and shipped it back, unceremoniously dumping it in my front yard) > Some of the hoses changed over the years ('76 was different than '82) > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > > > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > > Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. > > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:03:25 -0500 > > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > > > No arguments that BJ's has parts that are otherwise unobtainium. And some > of > > the time paying a premium is the right option...when your vendor knows the > car > > and knows the parts paying a premium is great...especially after the person > at > > the counter at Pep Boys, Auto Zone, and Napa have all looked at you like > you > > were from Mars. (my Napa is actually pretty good) Fuel filler hose as it > is > > is expensive. My question is is there anything special about the two filler > > hoses like one end molded bigger than the other? And since I asked the > > question I realized that that quarter panel is going, both door skins on > that > > side are going, and that rocker panel is going, and I need to repair the > front > > fender on that side. On the other side I think only the rocker is > > going...everything else can be repaired. Oh yeah...my hood and my tailgate > are > > both dented and I have no idea how much rust is in the tailgate. Anyone > > repaired a rusted out tailgate? > > > > Mark Wallace > > 81 Wag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john > > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 5:36 pm > > Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bj has done a lot of searching and gathering some fine parts... > > but if he found it, it's out there... you can do the work and > > save a bit, or buy it from him and support his FSJ habits. ;) > > > > it is special material, but it's available at napa, but not cheap, > > getting it from bjs you know it'll be right and work. less hassle > > than sourcing stuff on your own. > > > > > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > > > > # My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your > frame > > is > > # still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's empty) > > clean > > # up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, maybe > > wire > > # wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and > then > > # paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or > Rust-oleum > > are > > # both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would > > suggest > > # replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as > well. > > # > > # Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler > hoses > > or > > # are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's > BJ's > > has > > # seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the > > Auto > > # Zone or the Pep Boys. > > # > > # The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project car. > I > > was > > # able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the > process > > of > > # cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was > 27 > > # degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could > > start. > > # Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the Jeep) > > and > > # when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I > > welded > > # in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I had > > been > > # scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I also > > found > > # a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's > better > > # there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. > > # > > # Mark Wallace > > # 81 Wag > > # > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. > http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID2472 > 7::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. no Jeep dealership in SF??? wow... using parts of metal exhaust pipe to fix the fuel system isn't a bad idea, just need to make sure nothing would react with the fuel or additives... the last time I looked at fuel hose it was about $7.50 a foot at Napa... but as all my memories, they are old and the prices have surely increased. cold in Seattle? huh? you must have been here during one of those rare artic blasts... should have waited a couple of days and it would have warmed up for you. I love calling my folks in Florida right after we have one... because they usually get freezing temps a day or two later... will call them up and tell 'em I'm out washing my car... while they try to protect their orange trees or whatever from freezing. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # I got my fuel filler hose at a local parts place, not the chain stores. I # stopped at a truck "semi" repair place and they sent me to "commons auto # parts". The 74 has the 1.75" diameter hose, it was $12 or so a foot 8 years # ago. As for the curve part a muffler shop did the curve piece. # # Good point about the rear brake line, I was lucky to buy one from the # dealership 6 years ago $25 for the 8" piece pre bent.... and it was sitting # above the bookcase..... It was replaced this year when I decided to finally # change the flex part (OEM 35 year old part) that started to crack.... and yes # the metal line was so thin due to corrosion that it snapped at the elbow. I # managed to slide the metal line and snap it inside the retainers on the frame # after loosening the gas tank.... but I am lucky, I do not have a skid # plate.... I do have a skid plate in the garage... # # Cheer to you for working at such low temp..... A few years ago I was helping a # friend in December.... near Seattle....(probably not too far from John's) and # realized why people buy new cars... not to freeze their fingers at nite while # fixing their vehicle..... It was cold... we had to run into the house to warm # up tools and fingers.... # # As for dealership..... no more dealership Jeep dealer in SF, we need to drive # 25miles East or 35 miles south to find one. # # Yes to supporting BJ's, they are really good, and sometimes cheaper than the # local places.... even after adding a next day delivery.... # # Michel # 74wag # # > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. # > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:09:42 -0800 # > # > Parts rigs have been pretty easy to come by around here and parts from a # lot # > of years interchange (I put the manual rear winder and glass from a # > retrofitted '88 GW into my '83 Cherokee) Whole tailgates for -at-$50 or so (I # > sold an immaculate '84 GW gate to someone in NJ but a UPS driver there # drove # > over it and shipped it back, unceremoniously dumping it in my front yard) # > Some of the hoses changed over the years ('76 was different than '82) # > # > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # > # > # > # > > To: john-at-wagoneers.com # > > Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. # > > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:03:25 -0500 # > > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com # > > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # > > # > > No arguments that BJ's has parts that are otherwise unobtainium. And some # > of # > > the time paying a premium is the right option...when your vendor knows # the # > car # > > and knows the parts paying a premium is great...especially after the # person # > at # > > the counter at Pep Boys, Auto Zone, and Napa have all looked at you like # > you # > > were from Mars. (my Napa is actually pretty good) Fuel filler hose as it # > is # > > is expensive. My question is is there anything special about the two # filler # > > hoses like one end molded bigger than the other? And since I asked the # > > question I realized that that quarter panel is going, both door skins on # > that # > > side are going, and that rocker panel is going, and I need to repair the # > front # > > fender on that side. On the other side I think only the rocker is # > > going...everything else can be repaired. Oh yeah...my hood and my # tailgate # > are # > > both dented and I have no idea how much rust is in the tailgate. Anyone # > > repaired a rusted out tailgate? # > > # > > Mark Wallace # > > 81 Wag # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > -----Original Message----- # > > From: john # > > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com # > > Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # > > Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 5:36 pm # > > Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > bj has done a lot of searching and gathering some fine parts... # > > but if he found it, it's out there... you can do the work and # > > save a bit, or buy it from him and support his FSJ habits. ;) # > > # > > it is special material, but it's available at napa, but not cheap, # > > getting it from bjs you know it'll be right and work. less hassle # > > than sourcing stuff on your own. # > > # > > # > > # > > ----- # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > # > > # > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # > > # > > # My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your # > frame # > > is # > > # still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's # empty) # > > clean # > > # up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, # maybe # > > wire # > > # wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and # > then # > > # paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or # > Rust-oleum # > > are # > > # both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would # > > suggest # > > # replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as # > well. # > > # # > > # Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler # > hoses # > > or # > > # are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's # > BJ's # > > has # > > # seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the # > > Auto # > > # Zone or the Pep Boys. # > > # # > > # The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project # car. # > I # > > was # > > # able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the # > process # > > of # > > # cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was # > 27 # > > # degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could # > > start. # > > # Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the # Jeep) # > > and # > > # when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I # > > welded # > > # in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I # had # > > been # > > # scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I # also # > > found # > > # a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's # > better # > > # there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. # > > # # > > # Mark Wallace # > > # 81 Wag # > > # # > # > _________________________________________________________________ # > Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. # > # http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID2472 # > 7::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: SV: '89 xj ltd abs issues thanx. thought I saw something over there... couldn't find a vacuum cannister... wonder how expensive those things are... will have to check. good call, thanx Sune! Was wondering what all that plumbing was over there, everyone so far has been talking me through stuff on the driver's side... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Sune Cullberg wrote: # -89, it4s the one with electrichydraulic power booster? Pump under cooling # tank? If pressure is too low abs lamp will light up, and hard pedal. # # /Sune # Sweden # # -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- # Fren: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] Fvr john # Skickat: den 16 november 2009 09:18 # Till: xj-list # Dmne: xj: '89 xj ltd abs issues # # having issues with the '89 xj ltd. # # it has abs... brakes are very, very hard to push... # pulled the connector to the abs bladdler, disconnected sensors to the # module under back seat, pulled both fuses... # # still very hard to press pedal and front left tire will lock up even at slow # speeds. # # what's the easiest way to return normal power brakes? # # If I were to just get a stock non-ABS master brake and connect the # brake lines and remove all the abs crap would that work? # # I don't care for abs at all... even on my '99 wj or '91 300d. # # anyway, need to get the brakes working better to sell. # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:55:38 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: J20 radiator I've got a two row radiator from my '80 J10. you'll likely want a better one... I'd check with Stan's radiator up in Lake Stevens john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Rick Reed wrote: # Hello everybody, # # I've discovered my '86 J20 needs a new radiator. I'll check with Olympic 4x4 # tomorrow when they open, but I'm wondering if anyone has a better idea? # # Thank you very much. # # Rick # # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3467 **************************