From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Nov 22 11:29:11 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, November 22 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3471 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: OT: more climate data Re: fsj: OT: more climate data RE: fsj: OT: more climate data fsj: Climate change busted (fwd) fsj: the '89 XJ Ltd, another Tug and a dead WJ Re: fsj: Landon's next Jeep RE: fsj: Landon's next Jeep RE: fsj: the '89 XJ Ltd, another Tug and a dead WJ Re: xj: RE: fsj: the '89 XJ Ltd, another Tug and a dead WJ FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:08:13 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: fsj: OT: more climate data I need to bring you the latest.... Interesting paper, http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?p=166 Download the Mc Kitrick paper , then scroll to page 5 for the medieval warm age..... that was global warming..... Michel _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:04:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: OT: more climate data interesting... looks like some statistical sheenanigans... we simply do not have enough data, and using proxy data is questionable, you don't know if the locale had a microclimate or was some how impacted. we only have detailed data for about the last 50 years, 150 years would be a stretch. even recent data is likely flawed because of local changes and build up around test stations. there is an agenda, and it's not good for mankind.... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 21 Nov 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # I need to bring you the latest.... # # Interesting paper, # # http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?p=166 # # Download the Mc Kitrick paper , then scroll to page 5 for the medieval warm # age..... that was global warming..... # # Michel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:51:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: OT: more climate data agreed... the data is limited, and has been manipulated... and it's confusing even when you have all of it... we don't know... and basing policies and treaties on it is... well, foolishness... without questioning the intentions, objectivity and agenda of those pushing it... chicken little is one thing, but spending billions to fix something that we either can't fix or isn't broken is absurd... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 21 Nov 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # # There is an excellent correlation between warming and the tree rings according to the experts* -Expert: the one who has done all the mistakes already-... which are the part of the data that was omitted by the "alarmists". The climate experts found out about "medieval time warming" with the tree rings, which correlated with the "dirt sampling" done in many different locations, this warming was a lot more than what we actually see. # # Also the weather balloon temp data was omitted for the last 15-20 years for the report which shows a cooling tendency. # # Add on top of that the fact that the hockey stick curve was a modelisation that gave more weight to the more recent data points and the "hockey stick curve" is definitively FUDGED to serve some interests. # # cheers # # Michel # # > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:04:46 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: OT: more climate data # > # > interesting... looks like some statistical sheenanigans... # > we simply do not have enough data, and using proxy data is questionable, # > you don't know if the locale had a microclimate or was some how impacted. # > # > we only have detailed data for about the last 50 years, 150 years would be a stretch. # > # > even recent data is likely flawed because of local changes and build up around test stations. # > # > there is an agenda, and it's not good for mankind.... # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > # I need to bring you the latest.... # > # # > # Interesting paper, # > # # > # http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?p=166 # > # # > # Download the Mc Kitrick paper , then scroll to page 5 for the medieval warm # > # age..... that was global warming..... # > # # > # Michel # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Climate change busted (fwd) interesting... like I've been saying, we don't have all the information... some of these folks seem to be making it up... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Terry Halmshaw http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:14:47 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: the '89 XJ Ltd, another Tug and a dead WJ last week finally got around to checking on the recalls on the XJ... no happiness there.. So, today I decided to see what the electric hydroboost pump thing was all about... started fiddling around tugging on connectors and such... turned on the key I heard a pumping sound... odd, don't remember that sound... pressed the brake pedal and the pedal went down... cool... and the ABS light went out... and back on, and out... mostly out...;) started the jeep up and the brakes felt almost normal, didn't drive it as it was buried in the shop... didn't feel like moving the Tug out of the way, it's raining out... So, figuring I was on a roll, I started checking with the fusible links... found one was open... that fixed the power seats... door locks, and dome lights... Have two possible deals in work for the XJ... one is a trade for another cj-10a tug that someone sent out.. I figure another tug would give me a complete Diesel driveline... Also had a guy interested in buying the XJ, but he's dropped off the face of the earth it seems... oh well. Also found a 2000 WJ that has a bad head gasket on a 4.0L that I may get... ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE DEAL is with 4.0L head gaskets on the WJ? (distributorless setup...) Kevin, didn't you have an issue with one on an XJ? trying to work a trade for the WJ with the XJ... we'll see... may end up having to buy it... If I got the 2000 WJ I and the Tug (84 cj-10a) ... well... it's not likely... but it would be a serious popcorn episode... ;) First thing is to try fixing the WJ normally and selling it... only need one... :) but if that 4.0 is toast... monster carport time... ;) the tug has three interested parties, all busy and all out of the area until next week... No word on SuperDawg... hoping he'll be together soon... looking forward to that... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:10:13 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Landon's next Jeep Thanks for the encouragement all, I have a bus ticket to Wichita to get there Saturday noon, Nov 28th. PO is working on: 1. starter to ring gear mesh, buying a new starter, I don't think that will do it... 2. Bushing pins in the D20 shifter. I'm very hopeful that it has a T18, read some conflicting news on that, but it is encouraging for 1979 w/ 6 cylinder. Lots of reading on the 4.0 head conversion, I don't get how people like the 4.0 head with the raised ports, but want to use the old intake manifold. I think the intake manifold must also shift up with the ports to match, and that's why 'large washers' are recommended to clamp on the exhaust. ok, helpful to write that. - - Landon //////// On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:52 PM, Neal Hoover wrote: > good luck, Landon! > when you get to the point of doing the repairs, i'd highly suggest > cutting out ALL offending rusted areas from the fender flair all > the way to the bulk head and back to tail light panel. i'm not at > all saying that the way i did it was the absolute best way to go > about it, but you gotta get that bad factory designed junk out of > there or it'll just rear its ugly head again a couple of years down > the road. but i'm guessing you already know that from your history > of painting. > and when you get into it, i have a few tricks that i came up with > to replicate the look of the factory seams by the flairs and tail > light panel that i'll let you in on. : ) > > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Tesar" > > To: "Jim Blair" > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: fsj: Landon's next Jeep > > >> Thanks, all for the good input. I think this seals it....no pun.... >> >> - Landon >> /////// >> On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Jim Blair wrote: >> >>> My parts Jtruck is about the same shape, yet no-one called about >>> it except for >>> the axles! >>> >>> >>> >>>> To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net >>>> Subject: fsj: Landon's next Jeep >>>> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:46:54 -0500 >>>> From: wallacem7-at-aol.com >>>> >>>> Landon - >>>> >>>> That J-truck looks very, very repairable to me. My Wagoneer is >>>> way worse >>> than >>>> that and i am in the process of a bunch of body repairs. >>>> >>>> Some years back I took a welding class at the community college >>>> and that is >>>> absolutely a worthwhile endeavor. For body work (and I like >>>> doing body work) >>> I >>>> like to run .023" wire in my MIG machine. The body panels on a >>>> J- truck are >>> for >>>> the most part two dimensional which makes them reasonably easy >>>> to duplicate. >>> I >>>> like to butt weld and on sheet metal I never run much more than >>>> 3/4 of an >>> inch >>>> of weld at a time to avoid warpage. >>>> >>>> Mark Wallace >>>> 81 Wag >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. >>> http://www.bing.com/search? >>> q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M >>> FESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:05:08 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Landon's next Jeep A: You can't use the '79 intake for the 4.0L head conversion. It has to be '81 up split intake/exhaust (AMC cars started a bit sooner) but you can put an adapter on the 4.0L intake to run a carb. Bad news is you need to switch it to hydroboost or do a 3" body lift to clear the power brake booster if you use the 4.0L intake. (It may be possible that a '00 or newer intake from a Grand Cherokee will clear) Clifford or Hesco made an intake to run a carb on the 4.0L head. I'd run the 4.0L exhaust manifold (Renix '87 to '90 fit well in my '84 J10, but I currently have a '93 JGC 4.0L and AW4 in it, awaiting me getting a shop or time when weather is nice to work on it) '79 should have T18 or T18A, but only if the front driveshaft is on the passenger's side. If it's driver's side, then it will be T177 and NP208. AFAIK, there was no T177 to D20 adapter factory made. In fact, it would more likely be a 3 speed than T177. Take a can of PB'Laster to spray the linkages on the D20 from the outside and make sure the trans, tcase and both diffs have lube in them! Thanks for the encouragement all, I have a bus ticket to Wichita to get there Saturday noon, Nov 28th. PO is working on: 1. starter to ring gear mesh, buying a new starter, I don't think that will do it... 2. Bushing pins in the D20 shifter. I'm very hopeful that it has a T18, read some conflicting news on that, but it is encouraging for 1979 w/ 6 cylinder. Lots of reading on the 4.0 head conversion, I don't get how people like the 4.0 head with the raised ports, but want to use the old intake manifold. I think the intake manifold must also shift up with the ports to match, and that's why 'large washers' are recommended to clamp on the exhaust. ok, helpful to write that. - - Landon //////// _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:30:16 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: the '89 XJ Ltd, another Tug and a dead WJ You might have hit gold on the ABS, but I wouldn't hold my breath. (and give yourself plenty of stopping distance while testing!) On the WJ it's the head that cracks. BIG issue with the post '99 rigs and people are retrofitting earlier heads in and making a mount for the coil on plugs is the hard part. Unless run a long time overheated the bottom end should be fine. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:14:47 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: the '89 XJ Ltd, another Tug and a dead WJ > > last week finally got around to checking on the recalls on the XJ... > no happiness there.. > > So, today I decided to see what the electric hydroboost pump thing was all about... > > started fiddling around tugging on connectors and such... turned on the > key I heard a pumping sound... odd, don't remember that sound... pressed the brake > pedal and the pedal went down... cool... and the ABS light went out... and back > on, and out... mostly out...;) > > started the jeep up and the brakes felt almost normal, didn't drive it as it was > buried in the shop... didn't feel like moving the Tug out of the way, it's raining out... > > So, figuring I was on a roll, I started checking with the fusible links... found > one was open... that fixed the power seats... door locks, and dome lights... > > > Have two possible deals in work for the XJ... one is a trade for another cj-10a tug > that someone sent out.. I figure another tug would give me a complete Diesel > driveline... Also had a guy interested in buying the XJ, but he's dropped off the face > of the earth it seems... oh well. > > Also found a 2000 WJ that has a bad head gasket on a 4.0L that I may get... > > ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE DEAL is with 4.0L head gaskets on the WJ? (distributorless setup...) > Kevin, didn't you have an issue with one on an XJ? > > trying to work a trade for the WJ with the XJ... we'll see... may end up having to buy it... > > If I got the 2000 WJ I and the Tug (84 cj-10a) ... well... it's not > likely... but it would be a serious popcorn episode... ;) First thing is to try fixing > the WJ normally and selling it... only need one... :) but if that 4.0 is toast... monster > carport time... ;) > > the tug has three interested parties, all busy and all out of the area until next week... > > No word on SuperDawg... hoping he'll be together soon... looking forward to that... > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID2472 7::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: the '89 XJ Ltd, another Tug and a dead WJ that's what I figured, the head is likely bad ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 22 Nov 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # You might have hit gold on the ABS, but I wouldn't hold my breath. (and give # yourself plenty of stopping distance while testing!) # On the WJ it's the head that cracks. BIG issue with the post '99 rigs and # people are retrofitting earlier heads in and making a mount for the coil on # plugs is the hard part. Unless run a long time overheated the bottom end # should be fine. # # # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # # # ---------------------------------------- # > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:14:47 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: # > Subject: fsj: the '89 XJ Ltd, another Tug and a dead WJ # > # > last week finally got around to checking on the recalls on the XJ... # > no happiness there.. # > # > So, today I decided to see what the electric hydroboost pump thing was all # about... # > # > started fiddling around tugging on connectors and such... turned on the # > key I heard a pumping sound... odd, don't remember that sound... pressed the # brake # > pedal and the pedal went down... cool... and the ABS light went out... and # back # > on, and out... mostly out...;) # > # > started the jeep up and the brakes felt almost normal, didn't drive it as it # was # > buried in the shop... didn't feel like moving the Tug out of the way, it's # raining out... # > # > So, figuring I was on a roll, I started checking with the fusible links... # found # > one was open... that fixed the power seats... door locks, and dome # lights... # > # > # > Have two possible deals in work for the XJ... one is a trade for another # cj-10a tug # > that someone sent out.. I figure another tug would give me a complete # Diesel # > driveline... Also had a guy interested in buying the XJ, but he's dropped # off the face # > of the earth it seems... oh well. # > # > Also found a 2000 WJ that has a bad head gasket on a 4.0L that I may get... # > # > ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE DEAL is with 4.0L head gaskets on the WJ? # (distributorless setup...) # > Kevin, didn't you have an issue with one on an XJ? # > # > trying to work a trade for the WJ with the XJ... we'll see... may end up # having to buy it... # > # > If I got the 2000 WJ I and the Tug (84 cj-10a) ... well... it's not # > likely... but it would be a serious popcorn episode... ;) First thing is to # try fixing # > the WJ normally and selling it... only need one... :) but if that 4.0 is # toast... monster # > carport time... ;) # > # > the tug has three interested parties, all busy and all out of the area until # next week... # > # > No word on SuperDawg... hoping he'll be together soon... looking forward to # that... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. 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