From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 1 18:56:21 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, December 2 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3478 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list RE: fsj: Re: Landon's grease gun Re: fsj: Re: Landon's grease gun Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:10:26 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation I read PH11 at the O'Reilly's. I bottomed out the gun they provided on the zerks, and it just plastered the outside of the u-joint and the yoke. Useless. I'll try it on other parts of the truck, but the rear driveshaft was vibrating back through the D20 shifter handle. Interesting that the vibration lessened dramatically if I engaged the front driveshaft. That was an interesting experience at 50 mph, it just slipped forward like butter. I have the needle attachment here at home so will try that way also. - - Landon //////// On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:45 PM, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > I don't know about the oil filter on the sixes, but the V8's for a > long time > used a Fram PH 24. In a pinch you can use a Fram PH 8A. It's a > longer filter, > but I recall the threads as being the same. PH 8A seems to be the > correct > filter for just about any Ford after 1960 so most everybody has them. > > What didn't fit on the grease gun? Did you need one of the needle > attachments > for the front driveshaft? Or did a DPO (dreaded previous owner) > replace the > origional zerks with some odd duck part? What year was this truck > again? > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wag > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tesar Landon-R16884 > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:35 pm > Subject: RE: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation > > > Mark. > > Thanks. I did. > "fill the oil and check the gas" > That was me! > > Left OKC at 9, usually a 6.5 hr trip, got home at 7:30, so 10.5 hrs. > > Not sure if I'm more disappointed that Wal-Mart won't change oil on > anything older than 1988, or that O'Reilly's didn't have an oil > filter, > and their grease gun didn't fit the u-joints on the truck. > > As far as the guage cluster is concerned, it's an emotional moment. > > - Landon > > -clip- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:33:20 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation PH11 is the correct # for the standard thread of the older riggs. It is a bit oversized than the PH8. For the little story I ran the PH11 from 1983 w 78Kmiles until 1995ish w 210Kmiles when I switched to Napa gold and one lifter got stuck shortly after.... I replaced the lifters, never used the napa filter and switched to AC until now at 348Kmiles. As for vibrations, may be the DPO had disconnected the rear shaft, try to change the phase 180 degrees, after you check for loose universals. Michel 74wag (in need of a new seals for the intake manifold) > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > From: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:10:26 -0600 > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > I read PH11 at the O'Reilly's. > > I bottomed out the gun they provided on the zerks, and it just > plastered the outside of the u-joint and the yoke. Useless. I'll try > it on other parts of the truck, but the rear driveshaft was vibrating > back through the D20 shifter handle. Interesting that the vibration > lessened dramatically if I engaged the front driveshaft. That was an > interesting experience at 50 mph, it just slipped forward like butter. > > I have the needle attachment here at home so will try that way also. > > - Landon > //////// > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:45 PM, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > > > I don't know about the oil filter on the sixes, but the V8's for a > > long time > > used a Fram PH 24. In a pinch you can use a Fram PH 8A. It's a > > longer filter, > > but I recall the threads as being the same. PH 8A seems to be the > > correct > > filter for just about any Ford after 1960 so most everybody has them. > > > > What didn't fit on the grease gun? Did you need one of the needle > > attachments > > for the front driveshaft? Or did a DPO (dreaded previous owner) > > replace the > > origional zerks with some odd duck part? What year was this truck > > again? > > > > Mark Wallace > > 81 Wag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tesar Landon-R16884 > > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:35 pm > > Subject: RE: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation > > > > > > Mark. > > > > Thanks. I did. > > "fill the oil and check the gas" > > That was me! > > > > Left OKC at 9, usually a 6.5 hr trip, got home at 7:30, so 10.5 hrs. > > > > Not sure if I'm more disappointed that Wal-Mart won't change oil on > > anything older than 1988, or that O'Reilly's didn't have an oil > > filter, > > and their grease gun didn't fit the u-joints on the truck. > > > > As far as the guage cluster is concerned, it's an emotional moment. > > > > - Landon > > > > -clip- _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M FESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:47:37 -0500 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation Landon - Now that the phase issue has been mentioned another thought is a loose spline. An additional thought is that the output yoke on the T-case is loose like I didn't realize mine was until I took the driveshaft off. I have never rebuilt a D-20 but rebuilding transfer cases in general is pretty easy work, but unless it's been run out of oil there isn't much to go wrong in a D20 so in reality it shouldn't need to be rebuilt. What's the plan with the engine? You said that there was a rod knock and the oil pressure was low. Also what was the verdict on the fuel issue? You also said that some of the gauges don't work correctly anything discovered on that front? You taken it to the coin-op pressure wash and transferred the dirt and grease and rust off the underside and onto you yet? What's the total bill of health look like? Interior? Floor rust? Tires? Ball Joints? Clutch? Brakes? Frame Rust? Leaf Springs? Steering Box? I have seen some really old school zerks like the ones you described. And by old school I am talking about a car built when Calvin Coolidge was president. I have been able to get grease in them by holding the gun up close with one hand and forcing the lever onto whatever is handy. It makes a mess...I collect the grease that spits out before it gets into the zerk in yogurt container and save it for when I am packing bearings. The correct thing unless there is some pre WWII correctness to be preserved (which I will do on a proper restoration) is to just change the zerks over to something your grease gun can talk to. Little factoid...my grease gun used to belong to John Meister. Mark Wallace 81 Wag - -----Original Message----- From: Michel Balea To: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net; wallacem7-at-aol.com Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:33 pm Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation PH11 is the correct # for the standard thread of the older riggs. It is a bit oversized than the PH8. For the little story I ran the PH11 from 1983 w 78Kmiles until 1995ish w 210Kmiles when I switched to Napa gold and one lifter got stuck shortly after.... I replaced the lifters, never used the napa filter and switched to AC until now at 348Kmiles. As for vibrations, may be the DPO had disconnected the rear shaft, try to change the phase 180 degrees, after you check for loose universals. Michel 74wag (in need of a new seals for the intake manifold) > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > From: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:10:26 -0600 > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > I read PH11 at the O'Reilly's. > > I bottomed out the gun they provided on the zerks, and it just > plastered the outside of the u-joint and the yoke. Useless. I'll try > it on other parts of the truck, but the rear driveshaft was vibrating > back through the D20 shifter handle. Interesting that the vibration > lessened dramatically if I engaged the front driveshaft. That was an > interesting experience at 50 mph, it just slipped forward like butter. > > I have the needle attachment here at home so will try that way also. > > - Landon > //////// > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:45 PM, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > > > I don't know about the oil filter on the sixes, but the V8's for a > > long time > > used a Fram PH 24. In a pinch you can use a Fram PH 8A. It's a > > longer filter, > > but I recall the threads as being the same. PH 8A seems to be the > > correct > > filter for just about any Ford after 1960 so most everybody has them. > > > > What didn't fit on the grease gun? Did you need one of the needle > > attachments > > for the front driveshaft? Or did a DPO (dreaded previous owner) > > replace the > > origional zerks with some odd duck part? What year was this truck > > again? > > > > Mark Wallace > > 81 Wag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tesar Landon-R16884 > > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:35 pm > > Subject: RE: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation > > > > > > Mark. > > > > Thanks. I did. > > "fill the oil and check the gas" > > That was me! > > > > Left OKC at 9, usually a 6.5 hr trip, got home at 7:30, so 10.5 hrs. > > > > Not sure if I'm more disappointed that Wal-Mart won't change oil on > > anything older than 1988, or that O'Reilly's didn't have an oil > > filter, > > and their grease gun didn't fit the u-joints on the truck. > > > > As far as the guage cluster is concerned, it's an emotional moment. > > > > - Landon > > > > -clip- Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:23:02 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's grease gun What is the consensus on a grease gun "brand names" please. I bought those available at the local parts store.. big capacity and they are a pain to refill.... then bought the smaller one with the preloaded cartridges and it does not work.... you smear half of the grease on the ground to do a few zerks. Thanks Michel > I have seen some really old school zerks like the ones you described. And by > old school I am talking about a car built when Calvin Coolidge was president. > I have been able to get grease in them by holding the gun up close with one > hand and forcing the lever onto whatever is handy. It makes a mess...I collect > the grease that spits out before it gets into the zerk in yogurt container and > save it for when I am packing bearings. The correct thing unless there is some > pre WWII correctness to be preserved (which I will do on a proper restoration) > is to just change the zerks over to something your grease gun can talk to. > > Little factoid...my grease gun used to belong to John Meister. > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wag _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:03:27 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Landon's grease gun Wow, I get to answer a question for Michel! I bought the needle extension to use on the '89 GW I had, and found I could use it easily on most of the zerks, so I got used to it. I can tell almost immediately if I'm out of grease, or missing the spot, so I waste less, and it helps indent the zerk valve in case it is stuck. And it should fit all zerks. It's a cone shaped male end, and threaded female end, about 1.5" long, that should fit the end of a hose from a grease gun. A gun with a pull grip rather than a crank handle works for this - one hand to hold the zerk in place, and one to pull the grip. - - L On Dec 1, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Michel Balea wrote: > What is the consensus on a grease gun "brand names" please. > > I bought those available at the local parts store.. big capacity > and they are > a pain to refill.... then bought the smaller one with the preloaded > cartridges > and it does not work.... you smear half of the grease on the ground > to do a > few zerks. > > Thanks > > Michel > > >> I have seen some really old school zerks like the ones you >> described. And > by >> old school I am talking about a car built when Calvin Coolidge was > president. >> I have been able to get grease in them by holding the gun up close >> with one >> hand and forcing the lever onto whatever is handy. It makes a >> mess...I > collect >> the grease that spits out before it gets into the zerk in yogurt >> container > and >> save it for when I am packing bearings. The correct thing unless >> there is > some >> pre WWII correctness to be preserved (which I will do on a proper > restoration) >> is to just change the zerks over to something your grease gun can >> talk to. >> >> Little factoid...my grease gun used to belong to John Meister. >> >> Mark Wallace >> 81 Wag > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/ > hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci > d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:48:09 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation Whoa! Mark! Wow, you're ahead of me. That doesn't usually happen. I bought this thing in about 5 min, and spent the rest of the time driving/oiling/praying, so I really don't know everything. 1. Rear brakes do not. But they should. 2. Change oil, and chassis lube, Check u joints 3. Check Diffs, Trans, xfer case lube levels, verify final drive ratio 4. Valve cover gasket for sure. 5. Replace a headlight that's out on dim. Oh yeah, it's got the rhino chaser front without the center grill. 6. Change flywheel and consider rear main seal, maybe replace bendix in the starter for correct AMC. 7. Install a new pcv grommet and breather line back to the air cleaner, to replace the plastic joke that's on there. Blowby leaking out is probably worse than the valve cover leak. 8. Balance the belt tension (loosen the ps pump) 9. Fix the gasoline situation, probably someone capped off the needed vent hose, there is no canister. 10. Tighten anything loose in the steering 11. Do a compression check. 12. Get a fan clutch FCOL 13. Check for floor pan rust. 14. Replace the gauge cluster (help Mark) 15. Fix / replace wiper switch 16. Put in a heater valve FCOL 17. Check slight exhaust leak 18. Fix / replace radio 19. Wash the seat cover 20. Get some window wipers and gaskets (help Neal) 21. Replace the oil pump (maybe do this with rear main seal when pan is dropped. 22. Check 4WD and shifter setup 23. Dream about a stroker, pick a cam, and cost a 4.0 junkyard engine. Frame looks very good, it's pretty clean. I read one guy had a 3/8 plug missing in a main oil passage so will check that. The gauge cluster is toast, I can't think of anything on it that does work. I was reading aftermarket gauges installed for temp, amps, and oil pressure. Fan works, heater/defrost works, fresh air vents work, wipers work with a nudge, dome light works, choke works, HEY, the cigarette lighter works! Oh, the glove box is locked shut and no door key. what goes to the upper right of the glove box? Is that for a badge? Exhaust is pretty cool with a straight pipe exiting behind the passenger rear tire, with twin chrome tips grafted on. Wheels are mid 80's GW, with BFG 31x10.5 Long Trail T/A that are in good shape. Anything before 1985 is smog exempt in TX, so I don't have those hassles with getting it inspected. I think it has some lift on it, there are trailmaster shocks all around, and coil springs in back. Driving this thing in Austin is like going to a party after feeding pigs without showering, so it feels about right for me. Ok, pass the popcorn. - - Landon ?///// On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:47 AM, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > Landon - > > Now that the phase issue has been mentioned another thought is a > loose spline. > An additional thought is that the output yoke on the T-case is > loose like I > didn't realize mine was until I took the driveshaft off. I have > never rebuilt > a D-20 but rebuilding transfer cases in general is pretty easy > work, but > unless it's been run out of oil there isn't much to go wrong in a > D20 so in > reality it shouldn't need to be rebuilt. > > What's the plan with the engine? You said that there was a rod > knock and the > oil pressure was low. Also what was the verdict on the fuel issue? > You also > said that some of the gauges don't work correctly anything > discovered on that > front? You taken it to the coin-op pressure wash and transferred > the dirt and > grease and rust off the underside and onto you yet? > > What's the total bill of health look like? Interior? Floor rust? > Tires? Ball > Joints? Clutch? Brakes? Frame Rust? Leaf Springs? Steering Box? > > I have seen some really old school zerks like the ones you > described. And by > old school I am talking about a car built when Calvin Coolidge was > president. > I have been able to get grease in them by holding the gun up close > with one > hand and forcing the lever onto whatever is handy. It makes a > mess...I collect > the grease that spits out before it gets into the zerk in yogurt > container and > save it for when I am packing bearings. The correct thing unless > there is some > pre WWII correctness to be preserved (which I will do on a proper > restoration) > is to just change the zerks over to something your grease gun can > talk to. > > Little factoid...my grease gun used to belong to John Meister. > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wag > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michel Balea > To: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net; wallacem7-at-aol.com > Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 10:33 pm > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake > Installation > > > PH11 is the correct # for the standard thread of the older riggs. > It is a bit > oversized than the PH8. > > For the little story I ran the PH11 from 1983 w 78Kmiles until > 1995ish w > 210Kmiles when I switched to Napa gold and one lifter got stuck > shortly > after.... I replaced the lifters, never used the napa filter and > switched to > AC until now at 348Kmiles. > > As for vibrations, may be the DPO had disconnected the rear shaft, > try to > change the phase 180 degrees, after you check for loose universals. > > Michel > 74wag (in need of a new seals for the intake manifold) > >> CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net >> From: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net >> Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake >> Installation >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:10:26 -0600 >> To: wallacem7-at-aol.com >> >> I read PH11 at the O'Reilly's. >> >> I bottomed out the gun they provided on the zerks, and it just >> plastered the outside of the u-joint and the yoke. Useless. I'll try >> it on other parts of the truck, but the rear driveshaft was vibrating >> back through the D20 shifter handle. Interesting that the vibration >> lessened dramatically if I engaged the front driveshaft. That was an >> interesting experience at 50 mph, it just slipped forward like >> butter. >> >> I have the needle attachment here at home so will try that way also. >> >> - Landon >> //////// >> >> On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:45 PM, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: >> >>> I don't know about the oil filter on the sixes, but the V8's for a >>> long time >>> used a Fram PH 24. In a pinch you can use a Fram PH 8A. It's a >>> longer filter, >>> but I recall the threads as being the same. PH 8A seems to be the >>> correct >>> filter for just about any Ford after 1960 so most everybody has >>> them. >>> >>> What didn't fit on the grease gun? Did you need one of the needle >>> attachments >>> for the front driveshaft? Or did a DPO (dreaded previous owner) >>> replace the >>> origional zerks with some odd duck part? What year was this truck >>> again? >>> >>> Mark Wallace >>> 81 Wag >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tesar Landon-R16884 >>> To: wallacem7-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net >>> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 4:35 pm >>> Subject: RE: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation >>> >>> >>> Mark. >>> >>> Thanks. I did. >>> "fill the oil and check the gas" >>> That was me! >>> >>> Left OKC at 9, usually a 6.5 hr trip, got home at 7:30, so 10.5 hrs. >>> >>> Not sure if I'm more disappointed that Wal-Mart won't change oil on >>> anything older than 1988, or that O'Reilly's didn't have an oil >>> filter, >>> and their grease gun didn't fit the u-joints on the truck. >>> >>> As far as the guage cluster is concerned, it's an emotional moment. >>> >>> - Landon >>> >>> -clip- > > > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. > Try it now.= ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3478 **************************