From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Dec 5 19:04:49 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, December 6 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3481 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: the reason I don't make my own... RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation fsj: OT: automotive history... Re: fsj: Re: the reason I don't make my own... Re: xj: Re: fsj: Re: the reason I don't make my own... RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation fsj: snohomish monster carport... frosted over. FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:05:56 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert Subject: fsj: Re: the reason I don't make my own... so, I had to chuckle. something similar kept me from getting home one evening back in 2004. http://alibi.com/index.php?story=8501&scn=news The fire happened ~ 1/2 mile from my home, fortunately the wind was blowing the opposite direction. 64 acres of cottonwoods, elms and russian olives burned, air quality was awful for days. The sad thing was the fire happened the day before Pres Bush came to a campaign fund raiser for one of our congress members running for re-election. They stopped air tanker operations for Air Force 1 for most of that day. There were a lot of unhappy voters calling into the local conservative talk show radio shows that morning. On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, fsj-digest wrote: > > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:15:20 -0800 (PST) > From: diesel john > Subject: fsj: the reason I don't make my own... > > this is one reason why I don't make my own biodiesel... > the second is that I have burned chicken noodle soup and > am not usually allowed in the kitchen unsupervised... > > http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78444882.html > > Biodiesel explosion blamed on overpressurized tank > > ABERDEEN, Wash. (AP) - The explosion at a Grays Harbor > biodiesel plant apparently started when a tank used to > mix glycerin and sulfuric acid become overpressurized. > > A spokesman for Imperium Grays Harbor says he doesn't > know why the tank was overpressurized and why it exploded > Wednesday afternoon. > > John Williams told The Daily World newspaper that glycerin > is not an explosive substance and the sulfuric acid makes it > less, not more, volatile. > > In the explosion, a large piece of the tank blew about 100 > feet, crashing through a chain link security fence. No one > was injured and Williams says the biodiesel tank is intact. > > Officials estimate that about 500 gallons of sulfuric acid > leaked out the tank at the time of the explosion. But state > officials say air quality in nearby neighborhoods is safe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation I have never heard such information... they used the universal TH400 with an adapter ring up until about '74 or '75. the BW through '64 as earlier noted. HOWEVER, God and the PO(s) only knows what they did to it after it left Toledo... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # Pre 72 6 cyls are either BW or have a rare small bell th400 which we haven't been able to find yet. # # > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:06:57 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation # > # > the Borg Warner was only used up through 1964... # > # > The AS-8F was offered last in 1964, # > in 1965 it was the Turbo Hydramatic. # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # They only had 2 autos back then. TH400 and the uncommon Borg Warner. # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # > From: mbalea-at-hotmail.com # > # > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake # > # Installation # > # > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 02:38:00 +0000 # > # > # > # > Very good Jim, how do you know that my 66 has a TH400.... and indeed the # > # > exhaust was really smoky while accelerating.... which puzzled me as last # > # drive # > # > it did not burn engine oil nor trany fluid. # > # > # > # > Michel # > # > # > # > From: carnuck1-at-msn.com # > # > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation # > # > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:41:52 -0800 # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > 66 with a TH400? Could also be the vacuum modulator was drinking from the # > # > trans. (I've seen several people actually change their motor because of the # > # > smoke from the exhaust before discovering where it was coming from! # > # > # > # > # > # > He, he, my daughter has been driving the 85Gwag project after she wrecked # > # the # > # > civic..... in fact she was driving the 74 for 3 weeks, but then we swapped # > # > and # > # > she loves it... especially the interest from the collegues.... Cool factor # > # > rules.... # > # > # > # > As for popcorn, I started the 66 a few days ago, and it came to life after # > # > the # > # > second cranking.... The Last start was a year ago.... coerced with a little # > # > gas down the carb.... Unfortunately the ATF has been disappearing unseen # > # into # > # > the ground.... and 1 quart could not put oil on the dispstick.... so it did # > # > not move. # > # > # > # > Back to the Edelbrock performer, is it really a big PLUS in performance.... # > # > my # > # > intake seals are leaking big time.... and I am sure that old cast iron will # > # > have some degradation due to electrolysis, there were some marks when I # > # > removed it ..... 15 years ago or 150Kmiles..... # > # > # > # > Michel # > # > Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. # > # > _________________________________________________________________ # > # > Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. # > # > # > # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci # > # > d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. # > # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci # > # d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1&media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: OT: automotive history... http://comics.com/henry_payne/2009-12-04/ ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: the reason I don't make my own... too funny... the ignorance of the general public, and especially the media is overwheling at times... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: # so, I had to chuckle. something similar kept me from getting home # one evening back in 2004. # # http://alibi.com/index.php?story=8501&scn=news # # The fire happened ~ 1/2 mile from my home, fortunately the wind was # blowing the opposite direction. 64 acres of cottonwoods, elms and # russian olives burned, air quality was awful for days. # # The sad thing was the fire happened the day before Pres Bush # came to a campaign fund raiser for one of our congress members # running for re-election. They stopped air tanker operations for # Air Force 1 for most of that day. There were a lot of unhappy # voters calling into the local conservative talk show radio shows # that morning. # # On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, fsj-digest wrote: # # > # > http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78444882.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Re: the reason I don't make my own... I think that they may have been trying to extract the methanol from the glycerin, my buddy does that as well... you can recover most of it... methanol is the most expensive part of making biodiesel... also one of the most flammable parts... my reason for not doing it has nothing to do with the news... it's because I am not disciplined enough to do all that's involved... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, ernest breakfield wrote: # so maybe i missed the start of this, but what exactly is "the reason" # alluded to in the Subject Line? is it that you're afraid if *anything* # happens at your house then NewzCo is going to report it as a Biodiesel # incident? # all i saw was a report of an over pressurized vessel holding a # byproduct of BioD at a commercial production site; accident didn't have # anything to do with what was in it, or Biodiesel itself (since glycerin # is a byproduct of making BioD, not a component of making it...) not sure # why glycerin was being mixed with sulfuric acid, but doesn't look like # BioD had anything to do with the incident. # # pretty much as inaccurate and sensationalist as the other incident # reported in the later link; issue had nothing to do with BioD, but # NewzCo seems to think it's *so* much more interesting if they throw in # the magic word "Biodiesel",... especially since they don't even have to # ever go back and make a correction or retraction! ;-* # # really scary; Dog help us, since so many people actually rely on # NewzCo for information,... ;-P # # # cheers! # e # # # john wrote: # > too funny... the ignorance of the general public, and especially the # > media is overwheling at times... # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: # > # > # so, I had to chuckle. something similar kept me from getting home # > # one evening back in 2004. # > # # > # http://alibi.com/index.php?story=8501&scn=news # > # # > # The fire happened ~ 1/2 mile from my home, fortunately the wind was # > # blowing the opposite direction. 64 acres of cottonwoods, elms and # > # russian olives burned, air quality was awful for days. # > # # > # The sad thing was the fire happened the day before Pres Bush # > # came to a campaign fund raiser for one of our congress members # > # running for re-election. They stopped air tanker operations for # > # Air Force 1 for most of that day. There were a lot of unhappy # > # voters calling into the local conservative talk show radio shows # > # that morning. # > # # > # On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, fsj-digest wrote: # > # # > # > # > # > http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78444882.html # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:16:13 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation The 6 cyls had a different bell pattern prior to '72 when they got the match to the AMC V8 pattern. AFAIK and the AMC-list knows, the only auto ever bolted to the early motors was Borg Warner, so if someone trips across one (besides the OHC Tornado) with something else, please be sure to let me know! The adapter ring to the nailhead trans could be worth a few bucks for someone wanting to make a copy of it. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:39:10 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation > > I have never heard such information... > > they used the universal TH400 with an adapter ring up until about '74 or '75. > > the BW through '64 as earlier noted. > > HOWEVER, God and the PO(s) only knows what they did to it after it left Toledo... > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Pre 72 6 cyls are either BW or have a rare small bell th400 which we haven't been able to find yet. > # > # > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:06:57 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > # > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation > # > > # > the Borg Warner was only used up through 1964... > # > > # > The AS-8F was offered last in 1964, > # > in 1965 it was the Turbo Hydramatic. > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Jim Blair wrote: > # > > # > # They only had 2 autos back then. TH400 and the uncommon Borg Warner. > # > # > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > From: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > # > # > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com; fsj-at-digest.net > # > # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake > # > # Installation > # > # > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 02:38:00 +0000 > # > # > > # > # > Very good Jim, how do you know that my 66 has a TH400.... and indeed the > # > # > exhaust was really smoky while accelerating.... which puzzled me as last > # > # drive > # > # > it did not burn engine oil nor trany fluid. > # > # > > # > # > Michel > # > # > > # > # > From: carnuck1-at-msn.com > # > # > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > # > # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Landon's New Jeep and Edelbrock Intake Installation > # > # > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:41:52 -0800 > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > 66 with a TH400? Could also be the vacuum modulator was drinking from the > # > # > trans. (I've seen several people actually change their motor because of the > # > # > smoke from the exhaust before discovering where it was coming from! > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > He, he, my daughter has been driving the 85Gwag project after she wrecked > # > # the > # > # > civic..... in fact she was driving the 74 for 3 weeks, but then we swapped > # > # > and > # > # > she loves it... especially the interest from the collegues.... Cool factor > # > # > rules.... > # > # > > # > # > As for popcorn, I started the 66 a few days ago, and it came to life after > # > # > the > # > # > second cranking.... The Last start was a year ago.... coerced with a little > # > # > gas down the carb.... Unfortunately the ATF has been disappearing unseen > # > # into > # > # > the ground.... and 1 quart could not put oil on the dispstick.... so it did > # > # > not move. > # > # > > # > # > Back to the Edelbrock performer, is it really a big PLUS in performance.... > # > # > my > # > # > intake seals are leaking big time.... and I am sure that old cast iron will > # > # > have some degradation due to electrolysis, there were some marks when I > # > # > removed it ..... 15 years ago or 150Kmiles..... > # > # > > # > # > Michel > # > # > Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. > # > # > _________________________________________________________________ > # > # > Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. > # > # > > # > # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci > # > # > d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # > # Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. > # > # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci > # > # d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. > # http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: snohomish monster carport... frosted over. woke up to frost this morning... http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/12-Dec-05-frosty-morning/ALL.html covered the roses with compost I didn't get started on the 4.0L swap in the '00 WJ, but the engine arrived. swapped the tires on the '89 XJ limited: http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/1989_Cherokee_Limited_Dec2009/ALL.html only needs just a bit more tlc... and a windshield. waiting to hear from the guy on the trade for the cj-10a... and of course curtis... wouldn't mind keeping the cj-10a... but once my J10 is here it'll be faster, more comfortable, quieter and a lot nicer... in the driveway right now: '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer(SJ) '85 Grand Wagoneer(SJ) (son's) '85 300D(123) (son's) '86 CJ-10A - FOR SALE '89 Cherokee Limited(XJ)4.0 - FOR SALE '91 300D(124) '99 Grand Cherokee (WJ) 4.7 '00 Grand Cherokee (WJ) 4.0 - FOR SALE and only 105 miles south... '80 J10 - axle/xfr case donor '83 J10 step side - getting the SD33T/727/NP208 THE "short term" PLAN: '83 J10 stepside - daily Diesel driver '91 300d - wife's grocery getter '99 WJ - for trips '75 J10 trailer - yard support Ultimately I'd like to replace the '91 300D, '75 J10 trailer and '99 WJ for one Diesel GC. Leaving us with two Diesel Jeeps... only about $15-25K and one jeep short of that right now. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3481 **************************