From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 8 19:44:14 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, December 9 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3483 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Fwd: RETURNED MESSAGE TO fsj-at-digest.net RE: fsj: RE: biodiesel and 16 degrees F. RE: fsj: YJ vs. SJ tilt auto steering columns RE: fsj: Fwd: RETURNED MESSAGE TO fsj-at-digest.net fsj: Production of Dual AMC V8 PS pump brackets for use with hydroboost and steering assist... Re: fsj: Production of Dual AMC V8 PS pump brackets for use with hydroboost and steering assist... fsj: Steering Columns fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options fsj: Replace flywheel, 79 J10 258 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:20:30 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: fsj: Fwd: RETURNED MESSAGE TO fsj-at-digest.net > Remember I complained about the vibration in the transfer case shifter > on the drive from Wichita, and how it eased up when the D20 shifter > glided forward? Well...I looked at the shifter pattern yesterday, and > forward is 2H !!! It was shifting OUT of 4WD, disengaging the > front driveshaft. > Found the front yoke and u-joint are pretty sloppy. Hence - > vibration! OK, mystery, well, not > solved, but understood. > > Also, inspected the flywheel, and the teeth aren't broken off so > much as > worn down. I'll be looking for help on basic steps on how to > replace the > flywheel. good excuse to get an engine hoist? Dad's got a ceiling > mounted chain hoist, but many tractors have to be displaced. > > - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:05:42 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: biodiesel and 16 degrees F. We got the dusting here too in Lynnwood. Seemed to hit and miss areas. I almost took a pic of it on the roof of my wife's car before going to work sunday morning. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:24:04 -0800 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; joe-at-j-hughes.com > Subject: fsj: RE: biodiesel and 16 degrees F. > > sure it wasn't heavy frost? I woke up Saturday am to what looked > like snow, but it was just a very heavy frost... > > http://fotomeister.us/2009/12-Dec-05-frosty-morning/ALL.html > > I didn't try the '91 300D, it'll probably be fine, has around 40% #2... and > built-in heaters... it's always done fine in cold weather... > > the WJ didn't have the window defrosted until I was half way to work... :) > > I think the tug will be sitting until the snow flies or rain resumes this Friday... > I filled the 20 gallon tank with 100% BioDiesel... > > Even in the mid-40s trying to pump BioDiesel is an issue... Diesel flows much > easier... > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Joe Hughes wrote: > > # 17 Degrees here. After reading you email I figured this was a good time to > # test out both diesels. The 6BT in the Dodge needed a little go pedal, idle > # rough for about 10 seconds, while belching smoke, then idle and ran fine. > # That tank of fuel has about 25% Kerosene and the rest is #2. > # > # The 4BT in the Willys PU turned over for about a half second, but that was > # all the battery had in her. I haven't driven it in a couple months, so > # guess I need to throw that battery on the charger. > # > # We got a dusting on Friday night, which surprised me since it was blue skies > # all day. > # > # Joe H. > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of diesel > # john > # Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:15 AM > # To: undisclosed-recipients: > # Subject: fsj: biodiesel and 16 degrees F. > # > # my '86 cj-10a running on 100% BioDiesel will indeed start at 16 degrees... > # but after three startings it would quit in a few seconds. > # > # so I hopped in the 4.7L v8 gas WJ and fired it up, it's on the defrost cycle > # out in the driveway right now... don't have a decent ice scraper around > # here. :) > # > # the temp readout on the wj says 16 degrees... I believe it. no clouds=cold > # > # I wonder if mark's '85 300D running on #2 Diesel will be ok... my '91 300D > # started up fine yesterday in the 20's... added 6 gals of #2 to the biodiesel > # last night... maybe I should have dropped a gal of unleaded in as well. > # > # I don't think I could thin the tug's fuel at this point, I just topped off > # the tank the other night... all BioDiesel... I thought it was supposed > # to snow last Friday, in which case the temps would have been in the 30s. > # > # oh well... next challenge is getting out of the frost covered driveway... ;) > # > # john > # > # > # > # ----- > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:08:50 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: YJ vs. SJ tilt auto steering columns I think it depends on the year of the YJ and FSJ. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:54:18 -0700 > From: tsp-at-crptruck.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: YJ vs. SJ tilt auto steering columns > > Hiya, > I'd appreciate any feedback that can be given on pre-airbag steering > columns (Automatic.) I have heard/ read elsewhere that an SJ Tilt > steering column can be used in a YJ Wrangler. We have a basket case YJ > that could make use of such a transplant. Are the columns identical or > merely similar? Anyone done this or witnessed such transplant surgery? > > The existing YJ column has the following problems: 1. Lock cylinder > damaged, the main outer chrome tab will not stay on the column and > remain joined to the appropriate inner parts. 2. Automatic gear > selector cannot be adjusted to select gears correctly. Tried every > adjustment possible, everywhere, from one extreme to the other. Cannot > get Park and Low at the same time. It's a choice of having access to > one or the other. (Currently living without Park, relying on good > E-Brake for now....) 3. Worn out / sloppiness in steering, primarily > from tilt action knuckle joint.. > > Trying to weigh pro's & con's of attempting repairs on the existing > unit vs. the swap / transplant scenario. Wrangler parts are very hard > to find at affordable prices, but I know of several SJ donors around. I > can buy an entire SJ for what just the YJ column would cost.... > > Thanks in advance to all! > > -- > -Troy > > Troy Phagan > C.R.P. 4x4 & Auto Accessories > 2102 9th ST > Greeley, CO 80631 > 970-351-8603 > fax: 970-353-3066 > tsp-at-crptruck.com > www.crptruck.com > www.smilingcharleys.com _________________________________________________________________ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&p ubl=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:14:35 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Fwd: RETURNED MESSAGE TO fsj-at-digest.net Engine hoists come in handy for all sorts of things. You can change just the toothed gear on the flywheel fairly easy (if you have a torch) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > From: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net > Subject: fsj: Fwd: RETURNED MESSAGE TO fsj-at-digest.net > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:20:30 -0600 > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > > Remember I complained about the vibration in the transfer case shifter > > on the drive from Wichita, and how it eased up when the D20 shifter > > glided forward? Well...I looked at the shifter pattern yesterday, and > > forward is 2H !!! It was shifting OUT of 4WD, disengaging the > > front driveshaft. > > > Found the front yoke and u-joint are pretty sloppy. Hence - > > vibration! OK, mystery, well, not > > solved, but understood. > > > > Also, inspected the flywheel, and the teeth aren't broken off so > > much as > > worn down. I'll be looking for help on basic steps on how to > > replace the > > flywheel. good excuse to get an engine hoist? Dad's got a ceiling > > mounted chain hoist, but many tractors have to be displaced. > > > > - Landon _________________________________________________________________ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&p ubl=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:45:55 -0800 (PST) From: elliott sydnam Subject: fsj: Production of Dual AMC V8 PS pump brackets for use with hydroboost and steering assist... Hey everyone, I have some stuff worked up for a fairly simple installation of a second PS pump on an AMC V8.... right where your ol air pump used to fit. I should have these brackets out of production by the end of this week possibly next week but they have the CAD and are ready to work. If interested have a look and see what I came up with, the production brackets will be cut with laser... not my angle grinder so the finish will be butter smooth and slightly differnt than what are last pictured here after two/three revisions: http://www.txfsja.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166 Thanks for looking! I have some real cool hydroboost stuff coming out after the first of the year. I can fit your XJ, your Bronco, your Ranger, your Scout, your CS1000 series, C3 Vette, S10 Blazer, tri 5 Chevy, etc. Elliott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:06:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Production of Dual AMC V8 PS pump brackets for use with hydroboost and steering assist... you know I just figured out how my '89 Cherokee Limited's ABS system works... and it has an electrohydraulic booster pump... electric pump... sits under the coolant bottle... http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/1989_Cherokee_Limited_Dec2009/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, elliott sydnam wrote: # Hey everyone, I have some stuff worked up for a fairly simple installation of a second PS pump on an AMC V8.... right where your ol air pump used to fit. # I should have these brackets out of production by the end of this week possibly next week but they have the CAD and are ready to work. If interested have a look and see what I came up with, the production brackets will be cut with laser... not my angle grinder so the finish will be butter smooth and slightly differnt than what are last pictured here after two/three revisions: # # # http://www.txfsja.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166 # # Thanks for looking! I have some real cool hydroboost stuff coming out after the first of the year. I can fit your XJ, your Bronco, your Ranger, your Scout, your CS1000 series, C3 Vette, S10 Blazer, tri 5 Chevy, etc. # Elliott # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:01:58 -0500 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Steering Columns The Steering Column used on SJ Jeeps starting for I think 1973 and XJ's for their entire run was a GM Saginaw column. The archetecture is the same on all the columns but little pieces were changed over the years to the point where even the turn signal switch guts don't quite interchange over the years. The mounting bits would vary as well as those would have been tuning parts for crash safety and they would likely have set them up in such a way that the columns couldn't interchange. That being said they are not that difficult to rebuild as long as there are not broken parts inside. If the column has been in a collision it would have broken parts and and really belongs in the scrap metal pile. Mark Wallace 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options can't see why not... my '85 xj had a renault 2.1l TD. did ok. would do it again... mixed emotions about parting with that jeep... but that french motor was on the bleeding edge, had a number of issues and was very expensive... had TWO drain plugs... weird... o-rings everywhere instead of gaskets... rubber band for timing... wimpy electrics... feeble vacuum pump... horrible manual trans... but I still loved it... 26 mpg in town... the japanese Diesels aren't high performance, but most of them are industrial strength. this Nissan SD33 I'm running in the cj-10a is one serious industrial unit... timing gears... I'm very happy with the idea of putting one of these into my J10 stepside... would also be a good possibility into an XJ... except for the size... haven't really looked to see if it'll fit... it should... where can you find those Diesels you mentioned? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # So, would a Mitsubishi 2.3l turbo diesel or the 2.2l Mazda-Perkins turbo # diesel push an XJ? They might be choices to consider... # # Just trying to help sell popcorn... # # ;) # # Jim # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:31:58 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options You can find those motors in Mitsubishi/Dodge trucks and the Mazda and Mitsubishi motors were both found in Rangers. Id sooner run a Toyota 2lt or vw turbo 5 cyl than those 2 motors > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:47:18 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options > > can't see why not... my '85 xj had a renault 2.1l TD. did ok. would do it > again... mixed emotions about parting with that jeep... but that french > motor was on the bleeding edge, had a number of issues and was very expensive... > had TWO drain plugs... weird... o-rings everywhere instead of gaskets... rubber > band for timing... wimpy electrics... feeble vacuum pump... horrible manual > trans... but I still loved it... 26 mpg in town... > > the japanese Diesels aren't high performance, but most of them are industrial strength. > > this Nissan SD33 I'm running in the cj-10a is one serious industrial unit... timing gears... > I'm very happy with the idea of putting one of these into my J10 stepside... would also > be a good possibility into an XJ... except for the size... haven't really looked to see if > it'll fit... it should... > > where can you find those Diesels you mentioned? > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # So, would a Mitsubishi 2.3l turbo diesel or the 2.2l Mazda-Perkins turbo > # diesel push an XJ? They might be choices to consider... > # > # Just trying to help sell popcorn... > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # _________________________________________________________________ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&p ubl=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:57:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options both toyota and vw use rubber bands... you want a Diesel engine with a timing CHAIN or gears. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # You can find those motors in Mitsubishi/Dodge trucks and the Mazda and # Mitsubishi motors were both found in Rangers. # Id sooner run a Toyota 2lt or vw turbo 5 cyl than those 2 motors # # > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:47:18 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Other diesel options # > # > can't see why not... my '85 xj had a renault 2.1l TD. did ok. would do it # > again... mixed emotions about parting with that jeep... but that french # > motor was on the bleeding edge, had a number of issues and was very # expensive... # > had TWO drain plugs... weird... o-rings everywhere instead of gaskets... # rubber # > band for timing... wimpy electrics... feeble vacuum pump... horrible manual # > trans... but I still loved it... 26 mpg in town... # > # > the japanese Diesels aren't high performance, but most of them are # industrial strength. # > # > this Nissan SD33 I'm running in the cj-10a is one serious industrial unit... # timing gears... # > I'm very happy with the idea of putting one of these into my J10 stepside... # would also # > be a good possibility into an XJ... except for the size... haven't really # looked to see if # > it'll fit... it should... # > # > where can you find those Diesels you mentioned? # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # So, would a Mitsubishi 2.3l turbo diesel or the 2.2l Mazda-Perkins turbo # > # diesel push an XJ? They might be choices to consider... # > # # > # Just trying to help sell popcorn... # > # # > # ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. # http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&p # ubl=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:35:17 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: fsj: Replace flywheel, 79 J10 258 Hey all, what is the suggestion, do I drop the transmission/case (T18/ D20) to replace the flywheel, or move the engine forward? If moving the engine forward, looks like good clearance after removing the radiator. Either way, the exhaust has to come down.... - - Landon ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3483 **************************