From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Dec 11 13:26:11 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, December 11 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3488 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: new product available RE: fsj: Re: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) RE: fsj: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) Re: fsj: new product available RE: fsj: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:21:47 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: new product available interesting. yeah, i'd like to see a pic if it's easy access. Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Balea" To: ; "fsj digest" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: RE: fsj: new product available Shroud..... (s).... During out last saturday outing to Mt Diablo, on of the J trucks owner, Zack, had made his own shroud with its own mold.... Did not take a pict... but we can get one.... It could use a little adjustment for the depth as the fan was a bit too deep into the shroud by 1/2". One other guy used a piece of plastic made for "culvert" pipe http://www.plasticpipe.org/drainage/culverts_highways.html As for Michel he got a nice edelbrock performer intake.... and a matching 1405 carb.... so as soon as that cold is gone, I will be wrenching. My OE intake gaskets started to leak, then the EGR retaining pin broke off.... and I have a temporary set up that he doing fairly well.... PIct upon requests. cheers Michel > From: proj96xj-at-insightbb.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: new product available > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:58:24 -0500 > > shrouds kinda fall into the large capital investment category again since > i > don't have a plastic mold. > : ) > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tesar Landon-R16884" > To: "john" ; "Neal Hoover" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:54 AM > Subject: RE: fsj: new product available > > > Fan shrouds seem to be a common issue, can't remember if they're > unobtainable new, or just expensive. > Rear window cranks for the late GW, to replace the motor. > > - L > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > john > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:18 PM > To: Neal Hoover > Cc: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: new product available > > sounds good... maybe we should submit a wish list of things to you. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Neal Hoover wrote: > > # well good deal, then! > # i can sent a few pics your way. i took detailed pics and did an > instructions # write-up for Brent -at- BJ's. i'll shoot them over to you > BC in the next few # days. > # thanks, John! > # > # i'm also going to be launching a new product in '10. it's the bed > patch # panels. so, instead of replacing entire bed sides (the which > of entire # panels are of very poor quality... i bought some and took > them straight to # the recyclers because they were virtually impossible > to work with or repair # to make them correct), i'm going to offer > patch panels that replace the metal # that rusts out on all j-trucks at > each "quarter panel" of the bed. you can # get a better idea of what > i'm talking about by looking at the pics on my # webshots page. > # once i get a manufacturing process down (i did the first ones by > hand), i'll # be looking to source a point of retail for those, too. > # > # Neal A. Hoover > # Project '76 J-10 > # Project '96 XJ > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > # > # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: > "Neal Hoover" # Cc: # Sent: > Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:00 AM # Subject: Re: fsj: new product > available # # # > excellent... share away, not a problem to let us > know # > and I hope you make a profit too! > # > > # > we're all about making our FSJs nice... I'll post # > a picture of > it on my site if you'd like.... and let folks know it's at # > BJ's. > Been over # > to Brent's place a few times. Nice setup over there. > He's more than fair # > to work with. > # > > # > in fact, write up something with pictures and I'll build a web > page... do # > you want bj's to be the single source or will you sell > direct too? either # > way # > is fine. I source the stepside > fenders, but my supplier is so slow most # > sales # > fail because of > the delays... bj's talked with me about selling them but # > they # > > decided not to. not easy to store, or ship... > # > > # > sharing FSJ and other Jeep parts, service and literature is good > stuff, # > saying you've got used parts, jeeps and such is fine. There > is an fsj # > parts # > list started, doesn't get a lot of traffic so > posting here and there isn't # > a problem. > # > > # > I may even look at those parts... I replaced them on mine, but it's > been # > sitting for so long... not sure if they're any good any more. > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Neal Hoover wrote: > # > > # > # John, i apologize for any plugging or marketing up front, but # > > # there were a few people here who were interested in a product that i > # > have # > # been developing recently, which was completely > unavailable prior to now. > # > it > # > # is the window guide that resides on the back side of the divider > bar # > between # > # the vent window and the main front door windows > of all FSJs. further # > # described, it's the vertical channel that > the *leading* edge of the # > front # > # door glass rides in. the > cushion (or flocking) that isolates the glass # > from # > # the metal > channel has long rotted out and is mostly gone in lots of # > rigs. > # > # i made my own during the process of my personal J-truck build > because # > # replacements were nowhere to be found. when i did this, i > posted some # > pics # > # on my webshots page and this generated some > interest. this caused me to # > # talk to Ryan at BJ's Off-Road and i > am now supplying him with these # > parts # > # for retail! > # > # so, not to directly plug myself or BJ's, but to alert those who > were # > # interested in these parts when they become available.... > THEY'RE NOW # > # AVAILABLE!!! > # > # http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=1058&cid=11 > # > # thanks. > # > # > # > # Neal A. Hoover > # > # Project '76 J-10 > # > # Project '96 XJ > # > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:32:08 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) He decided to send it to the scrapyard since I notified the lists, NCSP, and CL about the questionable parentage of both the truck and poster > From: proj96xj-at-insightbb.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:18:03 -0500 > > lol! > and what was his response after you called him out? > > in the end, if you did buy the truck, you could probably get a couple > hundred bucks out of the Rhino grill alone! > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Hughes" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:04 PM > Subject: fsj: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > > > > Jim B., > > > > Thanks for pointing out this fraud. > > > > > > > > After a little investigating I found a post of his on a forum. > > > > http://swollencranium.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45064#post45064 > > > > > > > > So I asked him about his truck. Read my emails below. > > > > > > > > Joe Hughes > > > > Everett, WA > > > > > > > > > > > > From: whomever-at-whoever.com [mailto:whomever-at-whoever.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:56 AM > > To: swollencranium-at-yahoo.com > > Subject: RE: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > So which is it??? Is it fine or is it rusted?!? > > > > Because you said it had frame rot here: > > http://swollencranium.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45064#post45064 > > > > > > > > Should I quote you some more? > > "frame would have required EXTENSIVE welding" > > "I do not have the proper shop tools required for a complete frame > > rebuild" > > "thousands of man hours required to complete the required repairs" > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gary Cranium [mailto:swollencranium-at-yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:31 AM > > To: whomever-at-whoever.com > > Subject: Re: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > > > > > > > > > > > > appears fine to me > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, whomever-at-whoever.com wrote: > > > > > > From: whomever-at-whoever.com > > Subject: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > > To: sale-k8jac-1503121967-at-craigslist.org > > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 11:17 AM > > > > ** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY > > ** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home > > ** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping > > ** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html > > > > I know you said it is rusty, but how about the frame is it in decent > > shape? > > > > http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/1503121967.html > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > this message was remailed to you via: sale-k8jac-1503121967-at-craigslist.org > > > > _____ _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:45:16 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) It was the fraud of claiming it was a 230ohc when he knew different. I was just trying to let him know it had a newer drivetrain in it which might increase it's value a bit. He chose the low road rather than "thanks for the info" and that smacks of someone trying to hide something or put one over, like the fake Hemi Cudas. > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:58:27 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: joe-at-j-hughes.com > CC: FSJparts-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > > anytime I see an ad where the guy is bad mouthing anyone or anything, > and using foul language I immediately discredit or question what he > says... you have to look at the project on it's own merits and disregard > what the guy says... ask for pictures... > > or as Reagan always said, "trust, but verify"... (with pictures) > > $700 even for a rusty frame isn't horrible... I know of a J10 frame that > could be used... :) > > after all the guy did say: > > . RUSTY, its 44 years old and sat in some dude's woods so its RUSTY as hell .. > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Joe Hughes wrote: > > # Jim B., > # Thanks for pointing out this fraud. > # After a little investigating I found a post of his on a forum. > # http://swollencranium.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45064#post45064 > # > # So I asked him about his truck. Read my emails below. > # Joe Hughes > # Everett, WA > # > # From: whomever-at-whoever.com [mailto:whomever-at-whoever.com] > # Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:56 AM > # To: swollencranium-at-yahoo.com > # Subject: RE: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > # Gary, > # So which is it??? Is it fine or is it rusted?!? > # Because you said it had frame rot here: > # http://swollencranium.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45064#post45064 > # > # Should I quote you some more? > # "frame would have required EXTENSIVE welding" > # "I do not have the proper shop tools required for a complete frame rebuild" > # "thousands of man hours required to complete the required repairs" > # From: Gary Cranium [mailto:swollencranium-at-yahoo.com] > # Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:31 AM > # To: whomever-at-whoever.com > # Subject: Re: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > # > # appears fine to me > # > # --- On Fri, 12/11/09, whomever-at-whoever.com wrote: > # From: whomever-at-whoever.com > # Subject: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) > # To: sale-k8jac-1503121967-at-craigslist.org > # Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 11:17 AM > # > # ** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY > # ** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home > # ** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping > # ** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html > # I know you said it is rusty, but how about the frame is it in decent shape? > # http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/1503121967.html > # > # this message was remailed to you via: sale-k8jac-1503121967-at-craigslist.org http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:01:54 -0800 (PST) From: elliott sydnam Subject: Re: fsj: new product available BJ's Offroad repros the shrouds, I've been considering reproing the Buick shrould for FSJs. In fiberglass. Elliott - --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Neal Hoover wrote: > From: Neal Hoover > Subject: Re: fsj: new product available > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:58 PM > shrouds kinda fall into the large > capital investment category again since i don't have a > plastic mold. > : ) > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesar Landon-R16884" > > To: "john" ; > "Neal Hoover" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:54 AM > Subject: RE: fsj: new product available > > > Fan shrouds seem to be a common issue, can't remember if > they're > unobtainable new, or just expensive. > Rear window cranks for the late GW, to replace the motor. > > - L > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] > On Behalf Of > john > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:18 PM > To: Neal Hoover > Cc: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: new product available > > sounds good... maybe we should submit a wish list of things > to you. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Neal Hoover wrote: > > # well good deal, then! > # i can sent a few pics your way. i took detailed > pics and did an > instructions # write-up for Brent -at- BJ's. i'll > shoot them over to you > BC in the next few # days. > # thanks, John! > # > # i'm also going to be launching a new product in > '10. it's the bed > patch # panels. so, instead of replacing entire > bed sides (the which > of entire # panels are of very poor quality... i > bought some and took > them straight to # the recyclers because they were > virtually impossible > to work with or repair # to make them correct), i'm > going to offer > patch panels that replace the metal # that rusts out > on all j-trucks at > each "quarter panel" of the bed. you can # get a > better idea of what > i'm talking about by looking at the pics on my # > webshots page. > # once i get a manufacturing process down (i did the first > ones by > hand), i'll # be looking to source a point of retail > for those, too. > # > # Neal A. Hoover > # Project '76 J-10 > # Project '96 XJ > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > # > # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" > # To: > "Neal Hoover" > # Cc: > # Sent: > Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:00 AM # Subject: Re: > fsj: new product > available # # # > excellent... > share away, not a problem to let us > know # > and I hope you make a profit too! > # > > # > we're all about making our FSJs nice... I'll > post # > a picture of > it on my site if you'd like.... and let folks know it's > at # > BJ's. > Been over # > to Brent's place a few times. > Nice setup over there. > He's more than fair # > to work with. > # > > # > in fact, write up something with pictures and I'll > build a web > page... do # > you want bj's to be the > single source or will you sell > direct too? either # > way # > is > fine. I source the stepside > fenders, but my supplier is so slow most # > > sales # > fail because of > the delays... bj's talked with me about selling them > but # > they # > > decided not to. not easy to store, or ship... > # > > # > sharing FSJ and other Jeep parts, service and > literature is good > stuff, # > saying you've got used parts, jeeps and > such is fine. There > is an fsj # > parts # > list started, > doesn't get a lot of traffic so > posting here and there isn't # > a problem. > # > > # > I may even look at those parts... I replaced them on > mine, but it's > been # > sitting for so long... not sure if > they're any good any more. > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- > where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Neal Hoover wrote: > # > > # > # John, i apologize for any plugging or marketing up > front, but # > > # there were a few people here who were interested in > a product that i > # > have # > # been developing recently, which > was completely > unavailable prior to now. > # > it > # > # is the window guide that resides on the back side > of the divider > bar # > between # > # the vent window and > the main front door windows > of all FSJs. further # > # described, it's the > vertical channel that > the *leading* edge of the # > front # > # > door glass rides in. the > cushion (or flocking) that isolates the glass # > > from # > # the metal > channel has long rotted out and is mostly gone in lots > of # > rigs. > # > # i made my own during the process of my personal > J-truck build > because # > # replacements were nowhere to be > found. when i did this, i > posted some # > pics # > # on my webshots > page and this generated some > interest. this caused me to # > # talk to Ryan at > BJ's Off-Road and i > am now supplying him with these # > parts # > > # for retail! > # > # so, not to directly plug myself or BJ's, but to > alert those who > were # > # interested in these parts when they > become available.... > THEY'RE NOW # > # AVAILABLE!!! > # > # http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=1058&cid=11 > # > # thanks. > # > # > # > # Neal A. Hoover > # > # Project '76 J-10 > # > # Project '96 XJ > # > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:25:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) that was the first thing I noticed, that it was a 258. but that's not nearly as bad as someone listing the 4.0 as a V6. or better, just saw one listed as an "inline V6". really... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # It was the fraud of claiming it was a 230ohc when he knew different. I was # just trying to let him know it had a newer drivetrain in it which might # increase it's value a bit. He chose the low road rather than "thanks for the # info" and that smacks of someone trying to hide something or put one over, # like the fake Hemi Cudas. # # > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:58:27 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: joe-at-j-hughes.com # > CC: FSJparts-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: FW: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) # > # > anytime I see an ad where the guy is bad mouthing anyone or anything, # > and using foul language I immediately discredit or question what he # > says... you have to look at the project on it's own merits and disregard # > what the guy says... ask for pictures... # > # > or as Reagan always said, "trust, but verify"... (with pictures) # > # > $700 even for a rusty frame isn't horrible... I know of a J10 frame that # > could be used... :) # > # > after all the guy did say: # > # > . RUSTY, its 44 years old and sat in some dude's woods so its RUSTY as hell # .. # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Joe Hughes wrote: # > # > # Jim B., # > # Thanks for pointing out this fraud. # > # After a little investigating I found a post of his on a forum. # > # http://swollencranium.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45064#post45064 # > # # > # So I asked him about his truck. Read my emails below. # > # Joe Hughes # > # Everett, WA # > # # > # From: whomever-at-whoever.com [mailto:whomever-at-whoever.com] # > # Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:56 AM # > # To: swollencranium-at-yahoo.com # > # Subject: RE: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) # > # Gary, # > # So which is it??? Is it fine or is it rusted?!? # > # Because you said it had frame rot here: # > # http://swollencranium.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45064#post45064 # > # # > # Should I quote you some more? # > # "frame would have required EXTENSIVE welding" # > # "I do not have the proper shop tools required for a complete frame # rebuild" # > # "thousands of man hours required to complete the required repairs" # > # From: Gary Cranium [mailto:swollencranium-at-yahoo.com] # > # Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:31 AM # > # To: whomever-at-whoever.com # > # Subject: Re: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) # > # # > # appears fine to me # > # # > # --- On Fri, 12/11/09, whomever-at-whoever.com wrote: # > # From: whomever-at-whoever.com # > # Subject: Jeep Gladiator 1965 - $700 (willow spring) # > # To: sale-k8jac-1503121967-at-craigslist.org # > # Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 11:17 AM # > # # > # ** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY # > # ** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home # > # ** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping # > # ** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html # > # I know you said it is rusty, but how about the frame is it in decent # shape? # > # http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/1503121967.html # > # # > # this message was remailed to you via: # sale-k8jac-1503121967-at-craigslist.org # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3488 **************************