From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 30 11:40:19 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, December 30 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3501 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: city councils and the blight lady fsj: a day of wrenching... Re: fsj: city councils and the blight lady Re: fsj: city councils and the blight lady fsj: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? fsj: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:35:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: city councils and the blight lady I don't think Seattle is that bad... I've bought several rigs and projects from folks down there... I think our friend jim has issues with the authorities, I think they realize he's a foreigner and can be pushed around... ;) there are places around these parts that make it very hard to do projects, for instance Mill Creek... it's a city... bascially they have a home owner's association that has incorporated... you are penalized if you leave your trash can out front for more than two hours after pickup, you get in trouble if you leave your garage door open, heaven help you if you park an Rv on the street... but at the same time you could have many cars in the back yard behind a fence and they'll leave you alone... I went over to one guy's place in Mill Creek and he has a dozen cars behind his house... he had a fence that blocked the view from the street... Snohomish County has some ordinances, one of my other friends is likely responsible... ;) but you can have something like 10 cars behind a fence and you're ok, maybe it's 20... hard to say, you could google their requirements, but overall if you're in a rural area and keep things from plain view on the street and you don't irritate your neighbors or say "eh" (wink) you'll be fine. (not that jim says eh, he sounds more american than most americans. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # Is Seattle really bad about old cars in the yard? I know in some jurisdictions # the car hobbyists have successfully pushed back. Without commentary on search # and seizure and the Bill of Rights there are some road blocks that you can put # in place to keep your cars. When I lived in Ferndale Michigan I had frequent # run ins with the "blight lady". I had at various times a parts MG in the back # yard, my Wag complete with it's flame job and otherwise mismatching paint, my # presentable Dodge Dakota, and my old plow truck (which I wish I still had) # which was a beat up 3/4 ton Dodge Ram from the 80's. I would also have stray # engines, transmissions, axles and so on in the yard from time to time. I would # get threats that the city was going to come to my house...into my back yard, # remove my vehicles, and then bill me for it. I made a point of always backing # my vehicles in (a habit i still have as it makes jump starting easier) so # unless the city wanted to trespass on my property they couldn't see the # plates. (Michigan is a rear plate only state...like New Mexico). When the city # threatened to dispose of my cars I would call them up, explain that every last # one of them was registered, insured, and drivable, and I didn't see what the # problem was (the cars were for the most part registered and insured except for # parts cars). I would also always ask them point blank "have you been # trespassing on my property?" This would get them out of my way for a while. # I would also get in trouble for having cars on jack stands in the back yard. # Supposedly dangerous...but what responsible parent is going to let their kid # play under my car in my gated back yard? A tall fence might help too. Also # when I left Michigan I was working on a tall locking gate so you really # couldn't get back in the yard even if you wanted to...or for that matter even # see in. # # One of myneighbors had an alternate theory that the 'blight lady' who was this # humorless oldwoman was constantly writing me up with the hope that maybe I # would askher out on a date. # # Now I live in New Mexico where junk cars in the yard are strongly encouraged # by local custom. Of course out here you have people who have built whole # houses without pulling a city permit. There are a few subtle good points about # living in a hippie town in a dirt poor state. # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wag # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:41:54 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: a day of wrenching... got the 4.0L out of the '00 WJ today... I think the replacement will go in easier than it came out... mark doesn't think so... :) got a quote to have the engine installed... but I'm going to try it tomorrow. http://wagoneers.com/WJ/tech/WJ-4.0L-swap/ALL.html chased a few parts today after the '86 cj-10a went away... got the glowplug for my '91 300D and installed that after pulling the 4.0L. http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/124-2.5L-glowplugs/ALL.html tomorrow I need to get the registration for the '89 XJ... down to two running vehicles... near panic setting in... ;) (the '99 WJ and the '91 300D). after much counseling, I decided it's best not to buy anything to replace the tug... considered a used ford Diesel pickup, but was talked out of it... I really need my '83 J10 stepside to be reassembled ASAP... hauling WVO with what I have now is going to be a problem. I was trying to sell that tug for months... figured my J10 was going to be done at the end of November as promised... guess I need to find some kind of plastic tubs to put the WVO containers in the back of the XJ until my J10 is done... my lower back does not like replacing glow plugs... argghh... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:01:58 -0500 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: city councils and the blight lady When I went to home inspector class in Seattle the instructor told us that Snohomish county was weird and that you encountered weird people with weird ideas, and weird attitudes out there. I think the instructor may well have meant people like you. Some people want to live with neighborhood covenants and that's fine for them...it's a free country. There was a period when it looked like I was moving to South Carolina and there was a place that advertised in my sports car magazine that was an apartment complex (high end) that had workshop spaces and it was designed for car enthusiasts. One of my car friends told me that would be awesome to live there (and I think it would)...but think about your neighbor who cuts the grass at 7:a.m. saturday morning...only now your neighbor has a race car with open headers and not a lawn mower. Of course that jerk would probably be me. Mark Wallace 81 Wag - -----Original Message----- From: john To: wallacem7-at-aol.com Cc: full size jeep list Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 10:35 pm Subject: Re: fsj: city councils and the blight lady I don't think Seattle is that bad... I've bought several rigs and projects from folks down there... I think our friend jim has issues with the authorities, I think they realize he's a foreigner and can be pushed around... ;) there are places around these parts that make it very hard to do projects, for instance Mill Creek... it's a city... bascially they have a home owner's association that has incorporated... you are penalized if you leave your trash can out front for more than two hours after pickup, you get in trouble if you leave your garage door open, heaven help you if you park an Rv on the street... but at the same time you could have many cars in the back yard behind a fence and they'll leave you alone... I went over to one guy's place in Mill Creek and he has a dozen cars behind his house... he had a fence that blocked the view from the street... Snohomish County has some ordinances, one of my other friends is likely responsible... ;) but you can have something like 10 cars behind a fence and you're ok, maybe it's 20... hard to say, you could google their requirements, but overall if you're in a rural area and keep things from plain view on the street and you don't irritate your neighbors or say "eh" (wink) you'll be fine. (not that jim says eh, he sounds more american than most americans. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # Is Seattle really bad about old cars in the yard? I know in some jurisdictions # the car hobbyists have successfully pushed back. Without commentary on search # and seizure and the Bill of Rights there are some road blocks that you can put # in place to keep your cars. When I lived in Ferndale Michigan I had frequent # run ins with the "blight lady". I had at various times a parts MG in the back # yard, my Wag complete with it's flame job and otherwise mismatching paint, my # presentable Dodge Dakota, and my old plow truck (which I wish I still had) # which was a beat up 3/4 ton Dodge Ram from the 80's. I would also have stray # engines, transmissions, axles and so on in the yard from time to time. I would # get threats that the city was going to come to my house...into my back yard, # remove my vehicles, and then bill me for it. I made a point of always backing # my vehicles in (a habit i still have as it makes jump starting easier) so # unless the city wanted to trespass on my property they couldn't see the # plates. (Michigan is a rear plate only state...like New Mexico). When the city # threatened to dispose of my cars I would call them up, explain that every last # one of them was registered, insured, and drivable, and I didn't see what the # problem was (the cars were for the most part registered and insured except for # parts cars). I would also always ask them point blank "have you been # trespassing on my property?" This would get them out of my way for a while. # I would also get in trouble for having cars on jack stands in the back yard. # Supposedly dangerous...but what responsible parent is going to let their kid # play under my car in my gated back yard? A tall fence might help too. Also # when I left Michigan I was working on a tall locking gate so you really # couldn't get back in the yard even if you wanted to...or for that matter even # see in. # # One of myneighbors had an alternate theory that the 'blight lady' who was this # humorless oldwoman was constantly writing me up with the hope that maybe I # would askher out on a date. # # Now I live in New Mexico where junk cars in the yard are strongly encouraged # by local custom. Of course out here you have people who have built whole # houses without pulling a city permit. There are a few subtle good points about # living in a hippie town in a dirt poor state. # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wag # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:09:18 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: city councils and the blight lady snohomish county might very seem weird to a liberal from seattle... we tend to be a bit more conservative and freedom loving up here, we don't have ordinances in the county that prohibit us cutting down our trees like they do in the peoples republic of king county... they since reversed it because the folks in the eastern part of the county were talking of splitting off and forming a new county... the dizzy liberal folks in seattle are the voting majority, but hold a minority of the land... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # # When I went to home inspector class in Seattle the instructor told us that Snohomish county was weird and that you encountered weird people with weird ideas, and weird attitudes out there. I think the instructor may well have meant people like you. # # Some people want to live with neighborhood covenants and that's fine for them...it's a free country. There was a period when it looked like I was moving to South Carolina and there was a place that advertised in my sports car magazine that was an apartment complex (high end) that had workshop spaces and it was designed for car enthusiasts. One of my car friends told me that would be awesome to live there (and I think it would)...but think about your neighbor who cuts the grass at 7:a.m. saturday morning...only now your neighbor has a race car with open headers and not a lawn mower. Of course that jerk would probably be me. # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wag # # # # # # -----Original Message----- # From: john # To: wallacem7-at-aol.com # Cc: full size jeep list # Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 10:35 pm # Subject: Re: fsj: city councils and the blight lady # # # I don't think Seattle is that bad... I've bought several rigs and projects # from folks down there... I think our friend jim has issues with the authorities, # I think they realize he's a foreigner and can be pushed around... ;) # # there are places around these parts that make it very hard to do projects, # for instance Mill Creek... it's a city... bascially they have a home owner's # association that has incorporated... you are penalized if you leave your # trash can out front for more than two hours after pickup, you get in trouble # if you leave your garage door open, heaven help you if you park an Rv on the # street... but at the same time you could have many cars in the back yard # behind a fence and they'll leave you alone... # # I went over to one guy's place in Mill Creek and he has a dozen cars behind # his house... he had a fence that blocked the view from the street... # # Snohomish County has some ordinances, one of my other friends is likely # responsible... ;) but you can have something like 10 cars behind a fence # and you're ok, maybe it's 20... hard to say, you could google their # requirements, # but overall if you're in a rural area and keep things from plain view on # the street and you don't irritate your neighbors or say "eh" (wink) you'll be # fine. # (not that jim says eh, he sounds more american than most americans. ;) # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # # # Is Seattle really bad about old cars in the yard? I know in some # jurisdictions # # the car hobbyists have successfully pushed back. Without commentary on search # # and seizure and the Bill of Rights there are some road blocks that you can # put # # in place to keep your cars. When I lived in Ferndale Michigan I had frequent # # run ins with the "blight lady". I had at various times a parts MG in the back # # yard, my Wag complete with it's flame job and otherwise mismatching paint, my # # presentable Dodge Dakota, and my old plow truck (which I wish I still had) # # which was a beat up 3/4 ton Dodge Ram from the 80's. I would also have stray # # engines, transmissions, axles and so on in the yard from time to time. I # would # # get threats that the city was going to come to my house...into my back yard, # # remove my vehicles, and then bill me for it. I made a point of always backing # # my vehicles in (a habit i still have as it makes jump starting easier) so # # unless the city wanted to trespass on my property they couldn't see the # # plates. (Michigan is a rear plate only state...like New Mexico). When the # city # # threatened to dispose of my cars I would call them up, explain that every # last # # one of them was registered, insured, and drivable, and I didn't see what the # # problem was (the cars were for the most part registered and insured except # for # # parts cars). I would also always ask them point blank "have you been # # trespassing on my property?" This would get them out of my way for a while. # # I would also get in trouble for having cars on jack stands in the back yard. # # Supposedly dangerous...but what responsible parent is going to let their kid # # play under my car in my gated back yard? A tall fence might help too. Also # # when I left Michigan I was working on a tall locking gate so you really # # couldn't get back in the yard even if you wanted to...or for that matter even # # see in. # # # # One of myneighbors had an alternate theory that the 'blight lady' who was # this # # humorless oldwoman was constantly writing me up with the hope that maybe I # # would askher out on a date. # # # # Now I live in New Mexico where junk cars in the yard are strongly encouraged # # by local custom. Of course out here you have people who have built whole # # houses without pulling a city permit. There are a few subtle good points # about # # living in a hippie town in a dirt poor state. # # # # Mark Wallace # # 81 Wag # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? you and jim h. talked me out of the f250 idea... glow plugs... had enough of a glow plug tonight to hold me for a while. :) have the '91 300d working, the '99 wj and of course the '89 xj for now, soon I hope to have the 2000 wj up and running... have the title for that one... get it together, cleaned up and sold ASAP... nice having the tug sold... paid off part of my daughter's wedding just a few minutes ago... have enough money left over to pay curtis for superdawg... of course I've had that money set aside for a long time, borrowed it from myself to buy the xj, then the wj... ;) with my luck I'll borrow it again and he'll be done and I'll have to borrow it for real to pay him... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Kevin wrote: # I like the non-turbos, though they aren't without their issues. Biggest # things I'd be concerned about are: # - for whatever reason, they (and the powerstrokes that came after them) # have an appetite for glow plugs. Not too hard of a job, if you don't # mind taking the valve covers off. The secret is to use motorcraft plugs # and not some knockoff, think the motorcraft ones are beru but not quite # sure. They are fairly cheap if you get them from autozone. Replacing the # glow plug relay is a good idea. # - the overdrive automatic, while a fairly solid transmission, has had LOTS # of upgrades since it came out. My 96 is on at least its second, don't know # how many it's had. I haven't had to rebuild it, but it's something to keep # in mind. Part of the problem is it likes to lug, then hunt itself to # death. # - the twin traction beam front end, like its twin i-beam 2wd brother, can # be annoying to keep aligned (and therefore keep tires on). This isn't a # problem if you get an F-350 that year, since those had a straight dana # 60. My F-250 will be getting one of these because even after replacing # the balljoints, it's still annoying to keep aligned and keep tires on. # - the injector pumps do wear out and the truck will be almost impossible to # start when this happens. IIRC, the non turbos used the same pump as GM # did on the 6.2. # - you know about cavitation. there are test strips available to make sure # that the seller was at least smart enough to top off the additive to make # sure it looked like the truck was cared for. # # Compared to its competition (the 6.2), it has more power and doesn't have to # work nearly as hard to move the truck around. My 87 6.2 has half the miles # my 96 F250 has, and the body is nowhere near as tight as either the F250 or # the two year older F350. Interestingly enough, the nonturbo 7.3 made more # horsepower than the first generation turbo cummins. # # And the jetta's fine, it seems to have survived a round of four wheeling in # the yard without too many issues :) # # # On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:27:19AM -0800, john wrote: # > I've been searching the internet... can't find the issues... seems that all # > the reviews are very favorable... what kind of issues? # > # > where's kevin, I figure he'll have something to say about this... he # > must be digging his jetta out. ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? you two have convinced me to stick with my benz and my jeeps... :) no ford in my future... I'm challenged enough with the engineering of jeeps and mercedes, don't need a third vector of challenges... thank you. So, now, I need to go reassemble a Grand Cherokee around it's radiator... ;) Got the dead 4.0 out last night... now I need to locate all the bolts and pieces, figure out how to attach the good 4.0 to my shop crane (loaned my engine leveler bar to a friend and it never found it's way home... all suspects deny ever seeing it... :( My son thinks we should just haul all the pieces to a shop and let someone else do it... which basically means I'm on my own for this project... FWIW, I was able to contort myself for about an hour to replace glow plug #2 on my '91 300D. My wife was able to start and drive the 300D out of the drive a few minutes ago, a testament to my wrenching success... (no calls of panic ensued, so unless she forgot her cell phone she's on her way to shopping bliss looking for discount Christmas decorations she'll likely attempt to store in my office for the next year to display for a month next year...) the other two jeep projects are in the "wait" mode... waiting for the title for the '89 XJ and waiting for my friend to reassemble my jeep that he took apart in 2001... any day now... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Yo John, # # A little more humor from my buddy Carmine. Now I've got him going! # # ;) # # Jim # # PS. Watch for my comments in []'s # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # I'm glad he enjoyed it. # # Oh, the M/C will go at some point. Tell him to forget the aluminum one. Get a cast iron rebuilt and then, using a BFS, pry off the fluid tank from the failed one and install it in the rebuilt one. # # Say a little prayer to St. Benedict, Patron Saint of Rebuilt Starters, Alternators, Waterpumps and Master Cylinders and begin the bleeding process. # # You remember how much fun that was don't you? # # ;-) # # # [I do indeed... it took us a LONG time to bench bleed that MC!] # # # # Oh yeah!!! # # I forgot!! # # The vacuum pump will fail. It's great when it does. Since the engine makes no vacuum and you need vacuum assist for the steering and brakes you have this nifty little pump that fails just when you need to brake hard and you realize it's just you and your straining, trembling leg trying to stop an 8,000 lb truck before you rear-end a guy stopped at a light. # # Oh, the joy that brought to my heart, no to mention adrenalin. Oh, and then you have to diagnose this problem since it's intermittent. Oh, what fun. # # Then, you go buy a rebuilt pump at AutoZone and a new belt. You put in the pump, belt and drive for a while until, BAM, you hear this squealing like you just put a cat in a garbage disposal and white smoke starts roiling out from under your hood. You pull over to find that, yep, the "new" pump is seized, your new belt (the really good "Gold" kind) is toast and you're stranded with no way to remove the remnants of the belt to continue. # # You look at the pump which is leaking some kind of vital fluid and is missing a bolt and you curse your luck for not knowing who the Patron Saint of vacuum pumps is (not St. Benedict, he has his hands full). This was before Gore invented the internet so I couldn't just "Google" it. # # Had to get a new pump and the guy, after I begged, gave me a crummy $4.00 belt to make up for the one I spent $12.95 on. # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # Oh yeah, if John has any thoughts of resting his arm comfortably on the armrest whilst sweating to death in the winter or summer from the wonky climate controls tell him to forget it - the armrest will fall off and leave him with no real way of reattaching it. It will leave a nice stick-outy bit protruding from the door panel that can wound him or tear his clothes. Just keep a first-aid kit in the glove box. # # I found the armrest stores nicely behind the seat. I think maybe it's a feature Ford forgot to mention. # # Then there is the matter of the driveshaft universal joints. Oh yes, we both enjoyed that little slice of heaven. I must have replaced those joints five or six times. Oh, the best was when the front joint broke and took the yoke with it. Oh yeah, nothing like having to get your driveshaft rebuilt. You got yours done for a pretty good price, mention where that was to John, maybe he can mail it to them. # # [Yeah, I forgot to mention that one. I've gone through about 4 u-joints also. One got so bad before I realized it that it destroyed the yoke at the rear pumpkin. That was a fun replacement. Carmine helped with that one.] # # Then, after my bearing caps got loose in the cup holes I had to get brass shims in between them and the holes to keep the cups stationary lest they rotate and become really bad bushings rather than nice roller bearings. # # You and I went to the hardware store to get that shim metal, remember? # # Ah, those were the days... # # ;-) # # # [Ah, yes, I miss those days ;) ] # # # C* # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3501 **************************