From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 5 17:15:23 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, February 6 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3526 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix fsj: Glass install RE: fsj: Glass install Re: fsj: Glass install fsj: OT: VW mileage FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 07:20:49 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix Probably was me. I recall taking the one from the '84 GW I parted (I remember being bummed because it actually didn't have a bent frame, but rather bent leaf springs. I could've fixed it with just a front clip!) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:58:06 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix > > you can actually remove it without breaking it... jim blair > and I have done it... (that was you working with me that time, right? :) > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Michel Balea wrote: > > # > # Very, very good instructional windshield installation, I appreciate the efforts that the installers are generating...... It takes a lot of soap and whatever foam to slide that big piece of glass, I like the suction cup to slide it. > # > # I guess I can take it off.... breaking it is easy.... this is what I did 12 or 15 years ago to try to fix the rust around the frame.... But I believe that the roof sealant is not perfect either. > # > # Putting the chrome trim is real winner. I may wait for the summer and take the jeep to the central valley where temperature are usually over 100F. > # > # Eastwood sells a polishing compound for deeply scratch glass.... could be worth a try on the passenger side for a test. > # > # Last year was supposed to be the year of only "one" wagoneer and I am still counting "three", all running with various ailments, but "two" have their current tags. > # > # Cheers > # > # Michel > # > #> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:03:09 -0800 > #> From: john-at-wagoneers.com > #> To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > #> CC: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; fsj-at-digest.net > #> Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix > #> > #> > #> > #> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/BODY/GLASS/FSJ-Windshield/ALL.html > #> > #> > #> > #> ----- > #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > #> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > #> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #> > #> > #> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Michel Balea wrote: > #> > #> # > #> # > #> # Thanks for all the replies. > #> # > #> # Not too sure about popping in a windshield myself... I wish they made glued in replacement, so I could lather sealant all over. > #> # > #> # Talking about the chrome trim, I could not put the spares that I need to install, do you need some lubricant? > #> # > #> # I agree the polishing compound seems like a time sink. > #> # > #> # I had a new gasket and a new windshield.... and it was installed by some pro... that was 12 years ago. It leaked.... they fixed it... and again... it did not leak... until 6 years later when the rust started to appear. > #> # > #> # Now that I am dealing with another vehicle... I am wondering who to trust to prevent another rust issue. We all know that nobody can really do a job as good as the manufacturer job: rebuilt engine, trany.... they all seem to fail within 5/50,000. > #> # > #> # I have this pristine 66 with no rust.... a bit of the quarter panel lip is rusted and the rear pivot point for the back seat is detached (big rust hole).... but the floor is clean and dry. > #> # > #> # Michel > #> # 74wag w 349,xxx miles on OEM engine/trany, and some rust. > #> # > #> # > #> #> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:46:14 -0800 > #> #> From: john-at-wagoneers.com > #> #> To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > #> #> CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > #> #> Subject: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix > #> #> > #> #> one other thing, you can do the windshield yourself on an FSJ... it's like a ziplock bag... > #> #> > #> #> the hard part is putting the chrome back on... if you have any. > #> #> > #> #> I've got pictures somewhere... > #> #> > #> #> john > #> #> > #> #> > #> #> > #> #> ----- > #> #> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #> #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > #> #> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > #> #> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > #> #> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #> #> > #> #> > #> #> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Kevin wrote: > #> #> > #> #> # In the toyota world (both minitruck/hilux/4runner and landcruiser) improper > #> #> # fitting or installation or gasket or whatever absolutely causes a rust problem, > #> #> # even in california, in a short couple of years. If left alone for four or five > #> #> # years, it becomes a water leak. > #> #> # > #> #> # Two of the three SJs (the 77 from montana, the 74 from ohio that's lived in CA > #> #> # for about 30 years) have what looks like a rust bubble starting in a position > #> #> # similar to where the toyotas get it, but neither of them have started to leak > #> #> # water into the cabin. Both windshields are getting tired, so I figure I'll > #> #> # have to probably spend some time on some rust repair when I replace the > #> #> # windshield. The other (the 83 I bought from the original owner here in CA) > #> #> # does not have that problem. > #> #> # > #> #> # On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:17:52PM +0000, Michel Balea wrote: > #> #> #> I need to have some ideas about fixing... yes fixing the tiny pits on a > #> #> #> windshield. > #> #> #> > #> #> #> Some years ago, after the wagoneer windshield was badly pitted I replaced > #> #> #> it... very effective, except that the new gasket was never fitted properly. So > #> #> #> as I may have to face the same issue soon, and do not want a leaky gasket with > #> #> #> the devastating results. > #> #> #> > #> #> #> Any Ideas or products or professional outlets. > #> #> # > #> # > #> # _________________________________________________________________ > #> # Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > #> # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft^Rs powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:29:42 -0700 From: Troy Phagan Subject: fsj: Glass install Another thought on glass install: Even if you have a "Professional" from a glass shop try to install it for you on an SJ, or other older vehicle, first check around carefully first with the local car clubs, restoration body shops, etc. for references. All modern vehicle glass is glued in. The 'professional installers' don't do gasket windows for older vehicles very often, if at all. I have encountered 'pro' glass installers who know less about a traditional gasket installation than people on this list. You want to find someone who has frequent hands on experience with this type of install. Thus, ask around your area (muscle car clubs, etc) for who might be properly qualified AND EXPERIENCED. Generally, you will have better luck finding such a person in an independent shop, not a mass chain that does insurance claim work on Honda's all day.... But ask around first. It's a dying skill , kind of like asking a modern factory trained dealership technician to tune a carburetor... Not likely. They only know the current vehicles with computers and fuel injection..... - -- - -Troy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:37:59 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Glass install Very good point... I love the reference to carb tuning. I like to quote (more or less) a teacher of a french automotive teaching college/institution, that had a very good descriptive debugging of the famous RENIX system: "you cannot teach students how to repair a system that will be obsolete in 4 to 5 years, you have to give then the skills to debug a system". This is a complaint common on some of the tech websites, they are happy to retire soon, so they do not have to debug complex german engineered vehicles where a computer tells you what to do. Back to glass install, when I pulled the windshield, I cut the gasket and had a good very pitted glass.... and no use for it.... May be we can glue the windshield on the FSJ, by welding an extra edge on the windshield frame. Cheers Michel 74 wag 85Gwag > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:29:42 -0700 > From: tsp-at-crptruck.com > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Glass install > > Another thought on glass install: Even if you have a "Professional" > from a glass shop try to install it for you on an SJ, or other older > vehicle, first check around carefully first with the local car clubs, > restoration body shops, etc. for references. All modern vehicle glass > is glued in. The 'professional installers' don't do gasket windows for > older vehicles very often, if at all. I have encountered 'pro' glass > installers who know less about a traditional gasket installation than > people on this list. You want to find someone who has frequent hands on > experience with this type of install. Thus, ask around your area > (muscle car clubs, etc) for who might be properly qualified AND > EXPERIENCED. Generally, you will have better luck finding such a person > in an independent shop, not a mass chain that does insurance claim work > on Honda's all day.... But ask around first. > It's a dying skill , kind of like asking a modern factory trained > dealership technician to tune a carburetor... Not likely. They only > know the current vehicles with computers and fuel injection..... > > -- > -Troy _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:06:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Glass install excellent point... I'm finding this to be an issue on a number of techinical fields... people are not learning how things work, are not able to extrapolate and solve problems... they read a code and replace a part... they don't have a clue what that part did, does or will do... I think it was Curtis and I that replaced a windshield in my carport... I had a source for glass that was amazing, $100 for a windshield... he showed me how the gasket worked and we were able to take the old one out without breaking it... you have to be patient and careful not to stress it. gluing in isn't so bad though... seems to work ok... but it may also be why newer cars seem to break windshields more often... the gasket isolated it from the body more. btw, was checking out another VW Rabbit Diesel... in hopes of less issues... not so, but here's two Rabbit Pickup Diesels side by side: http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/VW/PAIR-of-Pickups/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Troy Phagan wrote: # Another thought on glass install: Even if you have a "Professional" from a # glass shop try to install it for you on an SJ, or other older vehicle, first # check around carefully first with the local car clubs, restoration body # shops, etc. for references. All modern vehicle glass is glued in. The # 'professional installers' don't do gasket windows for older vehicles very # often, if at all. I have encountered 'pro' glass installers who know less # about a traditional gasket installation than people on this list. You want # to find someone who has frequent hands on experience with this type of # install. Thus, ask around your area (muscle car clubs, etc) for who might be # properly qualified AND EXPERIENCED. Generally, you will have better luck # finding such a person in an independent shop, not a mass chain that does # insurance claim work on Honda's all day.... But ask around first. # It's a dying skill , kind of like asking a modern factory trained dealership # technician to tune a carburetor... Not likely. They only know the current # vehicles with computers and fuel injection..... # # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 01:15:17 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: fsj: OT: VW mileage This small VW has sparked some interest..... there is one for sale locally.... diesel, 1980 asking $1500. Do you really get 50mpg or even 40+? Any good forum for these cuties.... And to add some FSJ content, what is the normal maximum ouput of the alternator. I am getting 14.8v w the 10si (on the 85Gwag). The TSM specs 14.1 to 15.3v for a temperature between 0 and 50F, which is probably the engine bay temp. Driving over the sierras this week yielded 14.5-14.8v and it was in the 20s outside. I turned on the fan to reduce the voltage. 2 weeks ago.... I had the other problem which was due to dirty terminals: all from battery to alternator post and molex connector... a little clean up made a big difference. Cheers Michel _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3526 **************************