From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri May 14 10:59:14 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, May 14 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3575 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... Re: fsj: Re: RE: Invitation from Moontanman RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... fsj: Re: xj: RE: Invitation from Moontanman RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... fsj: ComputerWorld - Car hackers can kill brakes, engine, and more (fwd) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 18:06:24 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... In environmental terms the burning of LPG produces less CO2, virtually no CO or SO2. No harmful compounds of benzine or lead result form combustion simply because they are not added to enhance the octane of the fuel. Also note that when set against Diesel, LPG combustion produces NO particulates or ultra-fine particles. > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:51:00 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... > > get the specs on CO (carbon monoxide) for all three, Diesel, Gas and LPG. > > that's what will kill you, unless you're allergic to something in the LPG like the > scenting agent, or the aldehyde in Diesel exhaust... > > > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Seems to me we had this discussion before and yes you can kill yourself with a diesel locked in a garage, but LPG takes MUCH longer! > # > # > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:03:43 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: some bargain... > # > > # > sure and destroy the planet and starve people, > # > get a Diesel, better all the way around. > # > > # > they will run on anything. > # > > # > and you can't kill yourself by locking > # > yourself in the garage with it running. > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jim Blair wrote: > # > > # > # Ah yes, but the stroker motor makes more HP and about as much torque as the > # > # 401 in that Cherokee and will still get about 20 mpg! > # > # > # > # > # > # From: john > # > # Subject: Re: fsj: Re: some bargain... > # > # > # > # so. > # > # > # > # I could have bought a brand new 1976 Jeep Cherokee Chief for less. :) > # > # > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # > # Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > # > # inbox. > # > # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > # > # :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 21:07:11 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: RE: Invitation from Moontanman > (b) they simply don't care that's the biggest thing. there is simply no accountability because it's NOT their money. if they fail at what they're doing, then so be it. they don't go under. they just implement another slack-brained program to replace it. FSJ content: my j-truck is and has been on hiatus for quite some time now whilst i worked on my house addition. i'm also currently trying to get my XJ into wheelable condition for a trail run in 2 weekends. WOO-HOO! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Black" To: "Full Size Jeeps" Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 7:01 PM Subject: Re: fsj: Re: RE: Invitation from Moontanman > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 15:08, JeepNut wrote: >> Huh. And here I thought that I was hearing a lot of squalling and > squealing >> about socialists in Washington and what a bad thing that is. >> Yet we (as a group) can't seem to join enough homeowners associations or >> socialist networking sites to be satisfied. >> Are we fickle or just stupid? > > Heh, I hear ya. A friend of mine from work moved into a house a block > away from me, but it's in a homeowners' association. I asked him when > he was moving in if he was sure about that -- not having any control > over what color to paint your house, what to do about trees, any > remodeling you might want, etc. etc. He said, no, he didn't care, > that wouldn't be a problem, and he loved all the stuff they did for > you -- the shared swimming pool, they might mow your yard (I don't > remember), blah blah blah. About two years later, he moved out, > because he was sick of their crap. They fought him on putting up a > post to mount a digital satellite dish, they made him get new paint or > siding or something of their choice, and so on. I warned him! > Several houses in that area have sold and re-sold two or three times > in the nine years I've lived here. I even met the president of the > HOA once (turned out to be a friend of a friend), and even she wanted > to move out because she was pissed off at how they control everything. > > It is helpful to have some things somewhat socialized. Insurance is > basically a form of socialism -- spread out the costs so the people > with really high, sudden, unexpected expenses are covered by the rest > of us who have relatively low costs. However, I think those are > better managed by private business. The government has proved over > and over that they ruin anything related to business that they touch > -- management is horrible, quality is horrible, and prices just keep > going up. I believe the reasons for that are (a) they're not trained > for that type of thing and (b) they simply don't care (it's not a > business, so if the prices are high and quality is low, customers > either can't go elsewhere, or the government doesn't care if they do, > because they're still not losing their own money -- only the public's > tax money). > >> Required FSJ content. My cousin from WVa is bringing me a rebuilt 727 w/ > the >> shift kit installed when he visits next month! YAY!!!! finally get my > wheels >> back... > > And my ob-FSJ content: > Anybody know of anybody who wants to buy a FSJ? I have an '88 GWag > and a '74 Wag, both with good 401s, both for sale. > > The '88 has homespun fuel injection that still isn't tuned quite right > -- so if they have a knack for that, or wanted to convert it back to a > carb, that might be the best thing to do. (It also leaks a bit of > engine oil and/or transmission fluid -- probably would be a good > candidate for stripping it down a bit and putting it back together, > but it's not bad enough to cause real problems -- I just top them off > now and then, and I haven't had any issues.) > > The '74 has plenty wrong with the body and electrical (and now the > brakes), but the entire driveline is awesome. Engine runs great, has > the Quadratrac, etc. I'd consider that a driveline for sale, with > attached wheels and things that might let it transport itself > (depending on distance and stuff). > > Both engines were rebuilt; both are bored 0.060" over (so should be > 412.7ci, IIRC). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 18:59:45 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... http://www.ngv-holland.nl/docs/pdfs/emissievergelijking.pdf > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:51:00 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... > > get the specs on CO (carbon monoxide) for all three, Diesel, Gas and LPG. > > that's what will kill you, unless you're allergic to something in the LPG like the > scenting agent, or the aldehyde in Diesel exhaust... > > > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Seems to me we had this discussion before and yes you can kill yourself with a diesel locked in a garage, but LPG takes MUCH longer! > # > # > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:03:43 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: some bargain... > # > > # > sure and destroy the planet and starve people, > # > get a Diesel, better all the way around. > # > > # > they will run on anything. > # > > # > and you can't kill yourself by locking > # > yourself in the garage with it running. > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jim Blair wrote: > # > > # > # Ah yes, but the stroker motor makes more HP and about as much torque as the > # > # 401 in that Cherokee and will still get about 20 mpg! > # > # > # > # > # > # From: john > # > # Subject: Re: fsj: Re: some bargain... > # > # > # > # so. > # > # > # > # I could have bought a brand new 1976 Jeep Cherokee Chief for less. :) > # > # > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # > # Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > # > # inbox. > # > # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > # > # :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:09:29 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: Re: xj: RE: Invitation from Moontanman Any website that goes through your email addressbook and sends itself to everyone there (cc'ing itself) now has your email addy and everyone else's for spam. Bebo is high on the list of email adress providers to spammers according to spamcop ( or the other antispam guys I used recently) Same thing happened to another friend and my spam folder tripled the next week! From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: RE: Invitation from Moontanman did he send it or was it some spam/virus that did it? suspect the later, thanx jim. ----- - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:42:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... where's the raw data? especially for the CO? CO2 is bogus info... plants love the stuff... particulates aren't lethal, newer Diesels have scrubbers/particulate traps NOx isn't good for acid rain, and is a concern, but won't kill you either. CNG is not equal to LPG. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # http://www.ngv-holland.nl/docs/pdfs/emissievergelijking.pdf # # > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:51:00 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... # > # > get the specs on CO (carbon monoxide) for all three, Diesel, Gas and LPG. # > # > that's what will kill you, unless you're allergic to something in the LPG # like the # > scenting agent, or the aldehyde in Diesel exhaust... # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # Seems to me we had this discussion before and yes you can kill yourself # with a diesel locked in a garage, but LPG takes MUCH longer! # > # # > # > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:03:43 -0700 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > # > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: some bargain... # > # > # > # > sure and destroy the planet and starve people, # > # > get a Diesel, better all the way around. # > # > # > # > they will run on anything. # > # > # > # > and you can't kill yourself by locking # > # > yourself in the garage with it running. # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # > # > # Ah yes, but the stroker motor makes more HP and about as much torque # as the # > # > # 401 in that Cherokee and will still get about 20 mpg! # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # From: john # > # > # Subject: Re: fsj: Re: some bargain... # > # > # # > # > # so. # > # > # # > # > # I could have bought a brand new 1976 Jeep Cherokee Chief for less. # :) # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # > # Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more # from your # > # > # inbox. # > # > # # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL # > # > # :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 # > # > # # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your # inbox. # > # # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL # :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 # # _________________________________________________________________ # The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with # Hotmail. # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 # 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:05:50 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... LPG indoors is restricted to 1% maximum (25 TLV /VPPM ) http://www.nett.ca/faq/diesel-1.html Diesel can't be used indoors due to particulates but CO is also measured differently (not a percentage) and can be between 5 and 1500 TLV / VPPM depending on RPM (higher at idle and accelerating) http://www.nett.ca/faq/diesel-1.html Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:42:39 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: some bargain... > > where's the raw data? especially for the CO? > > > CO2 is bogus info... plants love the stuff... > > particulates aren't lethal, newer Diesels have scrubbers/particulate traps > NOx isn't good for acid rain, and is a concern, but won't kill you either. > > CNG is not equal to LPG. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 10:58:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: ComputerWorld - Car hackers can kill brakes, engine, and more (fwd) http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9176778/Car_hackers_can_kill_brakes_engine_and_more?source=CTWNLE_nlt_dailyam_2010-05-14 In a late 2009 demonstration at a decommissioned airfield in Blaine Washington, they hacked into a test car's electronic braking system and prevented a test driver from braking a moving car -- no matter how hard he pressed on the brakes. In other tests, they were able to kill the engine, falsify the speedometer reading, and automatically lock the car's brakes unevenly, a maneuver that could destabilize the car traveling high speeds. They ran their test by plugging a laptop into the car's diagnostic system and then controlling that computer wirelessly, from a laptop in a vehicle riding next to the car. ...not exactly a likely scenario, but still makes me happy to drive an older vehicle... :) thanx for sharing Peter... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Samson My previous 76 Ford F150 is looking pretty good after reading this... http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9176778/Car_hackers_can_kill_brakes_engine_and_more?source=CTWNLE_nlt_dailyam_2010-05-14 Peter http://picasaweb.google.com/atc.clears/People#5226073218506923650 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3575 **************************