From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun May 23 20:08:50 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, May 24 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3578 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: painting the frame question Re: fsj: painting the frame question Re: fsj: painting the frame question RE: fsj: painting the frame question RE: fsj: painting the frame question FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:56:39 -0400 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: painting the frame question hey all - After six months of not having any time for car projects I am back into the Wagoneer. As discussed earlier in this forum I cut a big chunk out of the frame and replaced it. I am now done with that operation. For the time being the rear axle is still off the Wag as is the gas tank...oh that reminds me I need to still drill holes and weld on some nuts to attach the gas tank. Anyway the remainder of the frame has some rust still on it. As of right now I don't have the space to pull the powertrain and body and deal with it the way I'd like to deal with it, but I also don't want it to rust any more. So I am thinking about sandblasting the frame from about the transmission cross member back and painting it. Also thinking about painting some of the floor...it appears to be mostly still solid behind the back seat. So...that being said should I just do a light sandblast job and blow off the scale and the loose paint or should I sandblast it to clean metal? How long should I expect to be blasting? Then for paint I have a few options....I can go with a proper full on automotive paint which is expensive or I can spray or brush on RustOleum from the Home Despot. When I have the resources to pull the body off the frame I expect to do it properly...either full on automotive paint or maybe even powder coat it, but that might be a few years off. That and because the engine and trans are still in place I don't want to be blasting too close to them right now...maybe pull them later in the year and paint that section of the frame then. I don't want to use POR 15 because it will be too hard to sandblast off later. I think the floor is next. I can poke away at that while I am driving it. What have other people done? Mark Wallace 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:31:16 -0400 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: painting the frame question I used to build cars from the ground up for a living...also have restored a number of really bad basket cases. Race cars that were salted away after they were wrecked in the 1960's and such. So big rust repair is something that I have done a fair amount of. The Wag is ugly...quarters and rockers are pretty far gone, floor is bad on one side and under the accelerator pedal, but I haven't seen much that I can't access. I use the Eastwood Welt thru primer where I need to, POR 15 in spots that the factory never painted...I think this project is doable. I preserved as much of the original frame as I could and welded a reinforcement plate in the back or the repair. So I think it should be okay. I have had this Wag for almost 20 years. Just getting another one doesn't feel like a very good option. Mark Wallace 81 Wag - -----Original Message----- From: Terry Halmshaw To: wallacem7-at-aol.com Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 1:18 pm Subject: Re: fsj: painting the frame question Piecing together a chassis is never a good idea, find a decent chassis and work from there. Rust is usually a terminal problem, if you catch it in time and cure the inside from moisture by using fish oil or some other sealant will usually stop it. Pulling the headlining and sealing the inside of the roof is most important, then of course the other major areas, inside wheels arches etc. If the body rust is bad, please take my advice and buy another not so terminal vehicle, once rust gets bad you will NEVER stop is progress. Terry Halmshaw. At 05:56 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote: > hey all - > >After six months of not having any time for car projects I am back into the >Wagoneer. As discussed earlier in this forum I cut a big chunk out of the >frame and replaced it. I am now done with that operation. For the time being >the rear axle is still off the Wag as is the gas tank...oh that reminds me I >need to still drill holes and weld on some nuts to attach the gas tank. Anyway >the remainder of the frame has some rust still on it. As of right now I don't >have the space to pull the powertrain and body and deal with it the way I'd >like to deal with it, but I also don't want it to rust any more. > >So I am thinking about sandblasting the frame from about the transmission >cross member back and painting it. Also thinking about painting some of the >floor...it appears to be mostly still solid behind the back seat. So...that >being said should I just do a light sandblast job and blow off the scale and >the loose paint or should I sandblast it to clean metal? How long should I >expect to be blasting? Then for paint I have a few options....I can go with a >proper full on automotive paint which is expensive or I can spray or brush on >RustOleum from the Home Despot. When I have the resources to pull the body off >the frame I expect to do it properly...either full on automotive paint or >maybe even powder coat it, but that might be a few years off. That and because >the engine and trans are still in place I don't want to be blasting too close >to them right now...maybe pull them later in the year and paint that section >of the frame then. I don't want to use POR 15 because it will be too hard to >sandblast off later. > >I think the floor is next. I can poke away at that while I am driving it. > >What have other people done? > >Mark Wallace >81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: painting the frame question I'd sandblast as much as you can, then spray on a rust converting primer, then either paint and bedline with what you can get at the mcparts stores... or just leave it painted... or maybe undercoating... but either way I'd make sure you applied some kind of rust converter, even after sandblasting because it may be pretty deep into your metal. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 22 May 2010, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # hey all - # # After six months of not having any time for car projects I am back into the # Wagoneer. As discussed earlier in this forum I cut a big chunk out of the # frame and replaced it. I am now done with that operation. For the time being # the rear axle is still off the Wag as is the gas tank...oh that reminds me I # need to still drill holes and weld on some nuts to attach the gas tank. Anyway # the remainder of the frame has some rust still on it. As of right now I don't # have the space to pull the powertrain and body and deal with it the way I'd # like to deal with it, but I also don't want it to rust any more. # # So I am thinking about sandblasting the frame from about the transmission # cross member back and painting it. Also thinking about painting some of the # floor...it appears to be mostly still solid behind the back seat. So...that # being said should I just do a light sandblast job and blow off the scale and # the loose paint or should I sandblast it to clean metal? How long should I # expect to be blasting? Then for paint I have a few options....I can go with a # proper full on automotive paint which is expensive or I can spray or brush on # RustOleum from the Home Despot. When I have the resources to pull the body off # the frame I expect to do it properly...either full on automotive paint or # maybe even powder coat it, but that might be a few years off. That and because # the engine and trans are still in place I don't want to be blasting too close # to them right now...maybe pull them later in the year and paint that section # of the frame then. I don't want to use POR 15 because it will be too hard to # sandblast off later. # # I think the floor is next. I can poke away at that while I am driving it. # # What have other people done? # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wag # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:29:27 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: painting the frame question I would just swap the frame! (I may end up with 2 more GWs soon!) Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:36:01 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: painting the frame question > > I'd sandblast as much as you can, then spray on a rust converting primer, > then either paint and bedline with what you can get at the mcparts stores... > or just leave it painted... or maybe undercoating... but either way I'd > make sure you applied some kind of rust converter, even after sandblasting > because it may be pretty deep into your metal. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sat, 22 May 2010, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > > # hey all - > # > # After six months of not having any time for car projects I am back into the > # Wagoneer. As discussed earlier in this forum I cut a big chunk out of the > # frame and replaced it. I am now done with that operation. For the time being > # the rear axle is still off the Wag as is the gas tank...oh that reminds me I > # need to still drill holes and weld on some nuts to attach the gas tank. Anyway > # the remainder of the frame has some rust still on it. As of right now I don't > # have the space to pull the powertrain and body and deal with it the way I'd > # like to deal with it, but I also don't want it to rust any more. > # > # So I am thinking about sandblasting the frame from about the transmission > # cross member back and painting it. Also thinking about painting some of the > # floor...it appears to be mostly still solid behind the back seat. So...that > # being said should I just do a light sandblast job and blow off the scale and > # the loose paint or should I sandblast it to clean metal? How long should I > # expect to be blasting? Then for paint I have a few options....I can go with a > # proper full on automotive paint which is expensive or I can spray or brush on > # RustOleum from the Home Despot. When I have the resources to pull the body off > # the frame I expect to do it properly...either full on automotive paint or > # maybe even powder coat it, but that might be a few years off. That and because > # the engine and trans are still in place I don't want to be blasting too close > # to them right now...maybe pull them later in the year and paint that section > # of the frame then. I don't want to use POR 15 because it will be too hard to > # sandblast off later. > # > # I think the floor is next. I can poke away at that while I am driving it. > # > # What have other people done? > # > # Mark Wallace > # 81 Wag > # _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 02:59:17 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: painting the frame question Sadly, I must say that I agree with the swapping of the frame unless you are a good welder, even on swapping the body if it is so rusted. As said, the factory body work is poor, comparing my 74 and 85 to the 87 that I got some good doors from at the junkyard, the static rear window of the cargo there is a lot infiltrations at the gasket on all 3 vehicles. Also as we all know the cowl area is really barely watertight. The painting is not done in most unseen area, the rear quarter panel are not painted, so is the cowl, as I can tell from dissecting a few wagons. I am myself wondering if it is time to do a body swap, it could be time... for a diesel in my future. The crew cab is really an ideal body style. Michel 74 and other wags > From: carnuck1-at-msn.com > To: john-at-wagoneers.com; wallacem7-at-aol.com > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: painting the frame question > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:29:27 -0700 > > I would just swap the frame! (I may end up with 2 more GWs soon!) > > Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > like them only Entangle and hold the poor and > weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > break through them > > ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > > > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:36:01 -0700 > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Subject: Re: fsj: painting the frame question > > > > I'd sandblast as much as you can, then spray on a rust converting primer, > > then either paint and bedline with what you can get at the mcparts > stores... > > or just leave it painted... or maybe undercoating... but either way I'd > > make sure you applied some kind of rust converter, even after sandblasting > > because it may be pretty deep into your metal. > > > > john > > > > > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > On Sat, 22 May 2010, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > > > > # hey all - > > # > > # After six months of not having any time for car projects I am back into > the > > # Wagoneer. As discussed earlier in this forum I cut a big chunk out of > the > > # frame and replaced it. I am now done with that operation. For the time > being > > # the rear axle is still off the Wag as is the gas tank...oh that reminds > me I > > # need to still drill holes and weld on some nuts to attach the gas tank. > Anyway > > # the remainder of the frame has some rust still on it. As of right now I > don't > > # have the space to pull the powertrain and body and deal with it the way > I'd > > # like to deal with it, but I also don't want it to rust any more. > > # > > # So I am thinking about sandblasting the frame from about the > transmission > > # cross member back and painting it. Also thinking about painting some of > the > > # floor...it appears to be mostly still solid behind the back seat. > So...that > > # being said should I just do a light sandblast job and blow off the scale > and > > # the loose paint or should I sandblast it to clean metal? How long should > I > > # expect to be blasting? Then for paint I have a few options....I can go > with a > > # proper full on automotive paint which is expensive or I can spray or > brush on > > # RustOleum from the Home Despot. When I have the resources to pull the > body off > > # the frame I expect to do it properly...either full on automotive paint > or > > # maybe even powder coat it, but that might be a few years off. That and > because > > # the engine and trans are still in place I don't want to be blasting too > close > > # to them right now...maybe pull them later in the year and paint that > section > > # of the frame then. I don't want to use POR 15 because it will be too hard > to > > # sandblast off later. > > # > > # I think the floor is next. I can poke away at that while I am driving > it. > > # > > # What have other people done? > > # > > # Mark Wallace > > # 81 Wag > > # > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 > 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3578 **************************