From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Sep 12 09:59:44 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, September 12 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3630 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Door lining up question RE: fsj: Door lining up question fsj: Fwd: definition of Jeeping (fwd) fsj: Re: Fwd: definition of Jeeping (fwd) fsj: Fwd: Jeep Video FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:03:21 -0400 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Door lining up question That door and the drivers door were hit years ago. Not hard...just the skins from their appearance. The dents were drilled, slide hammered and body puttied up by an insurance body shop. They don't look that good. I have new skins for both doors. From the looks of things the door is too low at the front, too low at the back and it hangs a little crooked. I have to kick it open from the inside. I finished up yesterday in the dark so it may just be a floor jack and a little more patience. I want to get everything more or less lining up before I go crazy with the cut-off wheel and the welders. Looking at it yesterday I thought about just pulling all the doors and the front clip and the powertrain...and then I decided that one car with it's drivetrain out at a time is plenty. When I am done the only origional panel on that side will be the front fender. Body fit and quality of welds is about what can be expected for what is really an early 60's vehicle. I have a friend who was in the automobile industry for 40 years who tells a story about the Chevy trucks from the 70's and how they were building them out of five plants and how there was an inch of variation in the width of those bodies (which created a challenge in getting the dahsboards to fit properly) . I would expect the wagoneer to have similar tolerances. I am going to insure and plate the jeep later this month, but I am thinking that I may start making some templates and buy some metal to make some patches after my next payday and start doing some tin work between now and then. Mark 81 Wag - -----Original Message----- From: Michel Balea To: Mark Wallace ; fsgdigestlast last Sent: Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:39 pm Subject: RE: fsj: Door lining up question The doors are a pain to align, I did not have too many issues installing the 88 wag rear door on the 74, basic striker adjustement. As pointed by Jim loosen and recheck for binding/rubbing spots. Is the door sill straight? The hardest is the front door, I almost considered buying one of those tools, but the body still moves via the tires and suspensions. The body-metal work is not the tightest welding work on those jeeps. I have done a few scavenging jobs, either at the yard or on my 3 wagoneers, and the welds are really loose. the latest discovery is the rear quarter panel window, basic spotwelds w big a gap running under the rubber seal, the factory applied some body sealer which is still soft as of last weekend, no rust under the gasket as opposed to the donor of the gasket which was the same 88 that donated the rear doors, and there was no body sealer and a lot of rust under the gasket. Michel > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Door lining up question > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 23:13:37 -0400 > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > So I fought with the rear door hinges again today. Actually took a different > take on the number 4 phillips screws (okay, I got out a bigger hammer) used > the Kroil and the impact driver and got all three screws from the lower hinge > out. Put the new hinge (Michel's old hinge) in, rehung the door and it doesn't > really shut right, and it doesn't open very easily and it doesn't line up all > that well. I suspect that all these symptoms are related. The door however now > does shut nice and tight. I'll take it around the block tomorrow to see if the > rattle is gone. > > What is everybody's take on lining up a back door on one of these Wagoneers? > Also this may or may not be important but there isn't much floor left under > the carpet in the rear footwell areas? Could that be allowing the body to flex > too much? (Maybe I'll get some metal and start in on the floor pretty soon) > > Mark > 81 Wag = ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:21:22 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Door lining up question This is why I got whole doors for the 74, at about $60 a pop, it is an easy job..... well not that easy as you have to sand away the fake wood with $20 for a rubber wheel,..... replacing the catches is easy, but the result is perfect. Michel > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Door lining up question > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:03:21 -0400 > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > That door and the drivers door were hit years ago. Not hard...just the skins > from their appearance. The dents were drilled, slide hammered and body puttied > up by an insurance body shop. They don't look that good. I have new skins for > both doors. From the looks of things the door is too low at the front, too low > at the back and it hangs a little crooked. I have to kick it open from the > inside. I finished up yesterday in the dark so it may just be a floor jack and > a little more patience. I want to get everything more or less lining up before > I go crazy with the cut-off wheel and the welders. Looking at it yesterday I > thought about just pulling all the doors and the front clip and the > powertrain...and then I decided that one car with it's drivetrain out at a > time is plenty. When I am done the only origional panel on that side will be > the front fender. > > > > Body fit and quality of welds is about what can be expected for what is really > an early 60's vehicle. I have a friend who was in the automobile industry for > 40 years who tells a story about the Chevy trucks from the 70's and how they > were building them out of five plants and how there was an inch of variation > in the width of those bodies (which created a challenge in getting the > dahsboards to fit properly) . I would expect the wagoneer to have similar > tolerances. > > I am going to insure and plate the jeep later this month, but I am thinking > that I may start making some templates and buy some metal to make some patches > after my next payday and start doing some tin work between now and then. > > Mark > 81 Wag > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michel Balea > To: Mark Wallace ; fsgdigestlast last > > Sent: Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:39 pm > Subject: RE: fsj: Door lining up question > > > The doors are a pain to align, I did not have too many issues installing the > 88 wag rear door on the 74, basic striker adjustement. > > As pointed by Jim loosen and recheck for binding/rubbing spots. Is the door > sill straight? > > The hardest is the front door, I almost considered buying one of those tools, > but the body still moves via the tires and suspensions. > > The body-metal work is not the tightest welding work on those jeeps. I have > done a few scavenging jobs, either at the yard or on my 3 wagoneers, and the > welds are really loose. the latest discovery is the rear quarter panel window, > basic spotwelds w big a gap running under the rubber seal, the factory applied > some body sealer which is still soft as of last weekend, no rust under the > gasket as opposed to the donor of the gasket which was the same 88 that > donated the rear doors, and there was no body sealer and a lot of rust under > the gasket. > > Michel > > > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Subject: fsj: Door lining up question > > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 23:13:37 -0400 > > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > > > So I fought with the rear door hinges again today. Actually took a > different > > take on the number 4 phillips screws (okay, I got out a bigger hammer) used > > the Kroil and the impact driver and got all three screws from the lower > hinge > > out. Put the new hinge (Michel's old hinge) in, rehung the door and it > doesn't > > really shut right, and it doesn't open very easily and it doesn't line up > all > > that well. I suspect that all these symptoms are related. The door however > now > > does shut nice and tight. I'll take it around the block tomorrow to see if > the > > rattle is gone. > > > > What is everybody's take on lining up a back door on one of these > Wagoneers? > > Also this may or may not be important but there isn't much floor left under > > the carpet in the rear footwell areas? Could that be allowing the body to > flex > > too much? (Maybe I'll get some metal and start in on the floor pretty soon) > > > > Mark > > 81 Wag > = ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Fwd: definition of Jeeping (fwd) Subject: definition of Jeeping A friend found this on a web page and liked it, so shared it... JEEPING: The art of getting dirty and going broke while slowly heading nowhere and taking all day to do it. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ when replying, please reply to: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:03:22 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: Fwd: definition of Jeeping (fwd) very nice. i resemble that remark. ; ) Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "undisclosed-recipients:" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: fsj: Fwd: definition of Jeeping (fwd) > Subject: definition of Jeeping > > > A friend found this on a web page and liked it, so shared it... > > > JEEPING: > The art of getting dirty and going broke while slowly heading nowhere and > taking all day to do it. > > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > when replying, please reply to: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:53:42 -0500 From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: Fwd: Jeep Video - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 14:43 Subject: Jeep Video This is a video of a military jeep being disassembled and reassembled in less than 4 minutes. Obviously some "mods" were made to it beforehand, but still pretty neat! http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/09/10/must_see_video_day ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3630 **************************