From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Oct 4 09:18:06 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, October 4 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3635 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: The next project Re: fsj: The next project RE: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model fsj: another intake manifold adventure FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 01:44:06 -0400 From: Mark Wallace Subject: fsj: The next project Today I got off of work early. I am not entirely certain what my line of thought actually was when i did this but somehow I changed the wire and the liner in my MIG welder to .023 wire. Which would indicate that I am planning on welding some sheet metal. I also called a metal place that a friend of a friend had recommended in the next town over and got a price on 18 ga cold rolled steel. They were half the price of the place in town...only I have to buy a 4x8 sheet. I also recently changed the masonite on my workbench (I have a throw-away masonite surface on my workbenches) which that should really be clean before doing body work. I set aside the old oil soaked masonite to make templates for my floor patches (you can carve it pretty easily with a belt sander and then I can make dies out of birch plywood on the router table) I know you can buy patch panels from BJ's but they are a little spendy for me right now. I guess what this means is that I am going to repair my floor and probably my left quarter panel before I put the gas tank back in and get a license plate. So...has anybody done major floor repairs before? Other than drilling out six billion spot welds what are the challenges I should be anticipating? Should I remove the rear doors and tailgate or just leave them be? I think I am solid from the rear seat back and I am pretty sure I am not solid from the rear seat forward. Also what are other people using to paint inside areas that will never be seen, but also likely will never see the light of day again? What about seam sealers? What are people using there? Mark 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:55:00 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: fsj: The next project I'm thinking that you have an opportunity here to vastly improve your jeep with in floor storage and hidden compartments. Built in refrigerator, gun locker, dry goods storage, slide out tool cabinet. You don't need all that stuff under your jeep like the exhaust system or fuel tank, you could mount it on the roof and save weight by eliminating the fuel pump and use gravity. Exhaust? Route it around the outside and make it double as an exo-skeleton roll cage and theft/hijacking deterrent, someone will grab hold of it just long enough to remove their fingerprints. Safety and convenience, a win-win scenario. ;) - ------Original Message------ From: Mark Wallace Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net ReplyTo: Mark Wallace Subject: fsj: The next project Sent: Sep 29, 2010 22:44 Today I got off of work early. I am not entirely certain what my line of thought actually was when i did this but somehow I changed the wire and the liner in my MIG welder to .023 wire. Which would indicate that I am planning on welding some sheet metal. I also called a metal place that a friend of a friend had recommended in the next town over and got a price on 18 ga cold rolled steel. They were half the price of the place in town...only I have to buy a 4x8 sheet. I also recently changed the masonite on my workbench (I have a throw-away masonite surface on my workbenches) which that should really be clean before doing body work. I set aside the old oil soaked masonite to make templates for my floor patches (you can carve it pretty easily with a belt sander and then I can make dies out of birch plywood on the router table) I know you can buy patch panels from BJ's but they are a little spendy for me right now. I guess what this means is that I am going to repair my floor and probably my left quarter panel before I put the gas tank back in and get a license plate. So...has anybody done major floor repairs before? Other than drilling out six billion spot welds what are the challenges I should be anticipating? Should I remove the rear doors and tailgate or just leave them be? I think I am solid from the rear seat back and I am pretty sure I am not solid from the rear seat forward. Also what are other people using to paint inside areas that will never be seen, but also likely will never see the light of day again? What about seam sealers? What are people using there? Mark 81 Wag Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:32:02 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model >From experience w a 74, 85 and lately an 87, I would stick to no later than 85 or 86. The 87 has a bunch of extra wires on the steering column, they have the newer style starter w the attached solenoid, which makes it harder to hot wire it, and I believe that 89 has the $$$$ EGR valve. 86 because of the new design of the dash has the advantage of not having the ammeter, avoiding the fatal jeep BBQ. Watch for rust and borderline spot weld on the rear wheel wells, the metal usually separates, of course the front is not better as water leaks for the cowl of the cold air vents. Ask, and we will help you some costly mistake. As said a stick could be more efficient, but rule #1 is to be your own mechanic, as the jeep will requires a few mods. Remember when one sells a vehicle, they usually get rid of some headache$$$. A good test is thru a car wash to check for water seapage..... then pull the carpet and check for water. Check all fluids for level and color, engine oil of course but do not forget the transmission, transfer case, rear differential and coolant. I am in the SF bay area if you need a second opinion. Michel > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:03:12 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: cata1324-at-gmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model > > First, > > You think you want a Full Size Jeep? > 1) are you a mechanic? > 2) are you married to a mechanic? > 3) are you related to a mechanic? > 4) are you independently wealthy and know a good mechanic? > > If you can't answer yes to any of the above, this may not be the best choice > in vehicles for you. > :) > > Ok, that said... I'd say 1981 or newer... but some of the '70's models are fine too. > > there are issues with all the years... based on my experiences I'd say a 1987 or > newer might offer a little less headache... unfortunately all you have for engine > and transmissions are the 360 V8 and TF727 transmission, neither of which are all > that great. They'll last, but they are inefficient... 8 to 12 mpg will be what you > can expect. > > In '86 they reworked the dash... my son has one and it drives wonderfully, but > it's thirsty and we had to replace the transfer case in it... > > Bottom line, if this is just going to be a fun family 4x4 any year will work fine. > > If you want, email info on which ones you're considering... and get on the FSJ > list on digest.net, we'll all help you spend your money. :) > > see: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/ for info. > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > when replying, please reply to: FullSizeJeeps-at-gmail.com > john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Chris Talbott wrote: > > # Hi John, > # > # I hope you are well. I'm hoping to purchase a Wagoneer to take to the beach > # and throw the kids stuff in the back. My question really is - which model > # year is the best and most reliable? I am sure it depends on each vehicle as > # a case-by-case basis. > # > # I appreciate any feedback or help with this. > # > # All the best, > # Chris > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: another intake manifold adventure exciting Friday evening in the Snonomish Monster Carport... decided to fix my wife's car ('91 300D 2.5L Turbo Diesel)... the glow plug controller failed, and it had a couple of bad glow plugs as well... since the car has 265,000 miles I decided to clean the intake manifold at the same time... was surprising clean, see: http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/124-intake-glowplugs-300d-2.5TD/ALL.html compared to the intake on the 2003 VW TDI with about 155,000 miles: http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/tdi/tdi-clean-intake/ALL.html the benz was easier to work on, but the German plastics were more brittle and I ended up snapping off the main throttle linkage... we're on our way to Bellingham (95 miles north) to pick up the $15 part... another TDI adventure. :) but, couldn't leave you without pictures of mac and jack, and mushrooms and frogs, here's some eye candy... overcast day, not sure anything will be worth taking pictures of on the run up I-5 to bellingham... so these will have to hold you. :) Oh yeah, we took them out in the backyard yesterday... john http://fotomeister.us/2010/09-Sep-27-frog-mushrooms/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/2010/10-Oct-01-cats-mushrooms/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ when replying, please reply to: fotomeister-at-comcast.net john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3635 **************************