From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 12 07:07:51 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, October 12 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3636 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: the safety of jeeps Re: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model Re: fsj: The next project RE: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model fsj: useless Hollywood amusement fsj: Only 2 more days! fsj: Re: [FSJ-List] Only 2 more days! fsj: Ideas for Grille restoration? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: the safety of jeeps I'm not a fan of ZJs, but they are Jeeps and have some things in common with XJs and WJs... the driver was likely under the influence... http://www.komonews.com/news/local/104089534.html?tab=gallery&gallery=y&img=0 john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ when replying, please reply to: fotomeister-at-comcast.net john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model Chris, if the jeep is nice, and it's exempt from emissions because of age, then you might consider it... not sure how mechanical you are, but if you drop a 4.2L in there you'd see better mileage... if you're really good you might consider swapping in a 4.0 or better, a Diesel. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ when replying, please reply to: fotomeister-at-comcast.net john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 3 Oct 2010, Chris Talbott wrote: # Hi Michel, # # Thank you for all the help. You guys have been great. I've been looking on # AutoTrader and Craigslist. I found a few on CL today - '85 (2 of them), '86, # '87, '84 (2 of them). I liked the price and look of the '84 in Santa Monica, # but they said a knocking noise started. # http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/1980932595.html # # I also get runs/looks great, but needs a battery. Seems like if all it # needed was a battery, then they would keep it and put a new cheap battery in # it. There must be other issues, right? # # Of those years, you suggest the '86 or newer, right? # # I'll actually be in SF this week. Thanks again for your help. # Chris # # On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Michel Balea wrote: # # > From experience w a 74, 85 and lately an 87, I would stick to no later # > than 85 or 86. # > # > The 87 has a bunch of extra wires on the steering column, they have the # > newer style starter w the attached solenoid, which makes it harder to hot # > wire it, and I believe that 89 has the $$$$ EGR valve. 86 because of the new # > design of the dash has the advantage of not having the ammeter, avoiding the # > fatal jeep BBQ. # > # > Watch for rust and borderline spot weld on the rear wheel wells, the metal # > usually separates, of course the front is not better as water leaks for the # > cowl of the cold air vents. # > # > Ask, and we will help you some costly mistake. # > # > As said a stick could be more efficient, but rule #1 is to be your own # > mechanic, as the jeep will requires a few mods. Remember when one sells a # > vehicle, they usually get rid of some headache$$$. # > # > A good test is thru a car wash to check for water seapage..... then pull # > the carpet and check for water. Check all fluids for level and color, engine # > oil of course but do not forget the transmission, transfer case, rear # > differential and coolant. # > # > I am in the SF bay area if you need a second opinion. # > # > Michel # > # > > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:03:12 -0700 # > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > > To: cata1324-at-gmail.com # > > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > > Subject: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model # > > # > > First, # > > # > > You think you want a Full Size Jeep? # > > 1) are you a mechanic? # > > 2) are you married to a mechanic? # > > 3) are you related to a mechanic? # > > 4) are you independently wealthy and know a good mechanic? # > > # > > If you can't answer yes to any of the above, this may not be the best # > choice # > > in vehicles for you. # > > :) # > > # > > Ok, that said... I'd say 1981 or newer... but some of the '70's models # > are fine too. # > > # > > there are issues with all the years... based on my experiences I'd say a # > 1987 or # > > newer might offer a little less headache... unfortunately all you have # > for engine # > > and transmissions are the 360 V8 and TF727 transmission, neither of which # > are all # > > that great. They'll last, but they are inefficient... 8 to 12 mpg will be # > what you # > > can expect. # > > # > > In '86 they reworked the dash... my son has one and it drives # > wonderfully, but # > > it's thirsty and we had to replace the transfer case in it... # > > # > > Bottom line, if this is just going to be a fun family 4x4 any year will # > work fine. # > > # > > If you want, email info on which ones you're considering... and get on # > the FSJ # > > list on digest.net, we'll all help you spend your money. :) # > > # > > see: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/ for info. # > > # > > john # > > # > > ----- # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > when replying, please reply to: FullSizeJeeps-at-gmail.com # > > john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > # > > # > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Chris Talbott wrote: # > > # > > # Hi John, # > > # # > > # I hope you are well. I'm hoping to purchase a Wagoneer to take to the # > beach # > > # and throw the kids stuff in the back. My question really is - which # > model # > > # year is the best and most reliable? I am sure it depends on each # > vehicle as # > > # a case-by-case basis. # > > # # > > # I appreciate any feedback or help with this. # > > # # > > # All the best, # > > # Chris # > > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:08:54 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: fsj: The next project Delayed reaction. :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - -----Original Message----- From: Terry Halmshaw Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:11:39 To: Subject: Re: fsj: The next project LMAO! -at- John. At 11:55 PM 9/29/2010, you wrote: >I'm thinking that you have an opportunity here to vastly improve >your jeep with in floor storage and hidden compartments. Built in >refrigerator, gun locker, dry goods storage, slide out tool >cabinet. You don't need all that stuff under your jeep like the >exhaust system or fuel tank, you could mount it on the roof and save >weight by eliminating the fuel pump and use gravity. Exhaust? Route >it around the outside and make it double as an exo-skeleton roll >cage and theft/hijacking deterrent, someone will grab hold of it >just long enough to remove their fingerprints. Safety and >convenience, a win-win scenario. ;) >------Original Message------ >From: Mark Wallace >Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net >To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net >ReplyTo: Mark Wallace >Subject: fsj: The next project >Sent: Sep 29, 2010 22:44 > > Today I got off of work early. I am not entirely certain what my line of >thought actually was when i did this but somehow I changed the wire and the >liner in my MIG welder to .023 wire. Which would indicate that I am planning >on welding some sheet metal. I also called a metal place that a friend of a >friend had recommended in the next town over and got a price on 18 ga cold >rolled steel. They were half the price of the place in town...only I have to >buy a 4x8 sheet. I also recently changed the masonite on my workbench (I have >a throw-away masonite surface on my workbenches) which that should really be >clean before doing body work. I set aside the old oil soaked masonite to make >templates for my floor patches (you can carve it pretty easily with a belt >sander and then I can make dies out of birch plywood on the router table) I >know you can buy patch panels from BJ's but they are a little spendy for me >right now. > >I guess what this means is that I am going to repair my floor and probably my >left quarter panel before I put the gas tank back in and get a license plate. > >So...has anybody done major floor repairs before? Other than drilling out six >billion spot welds what are the challenges I should be anticipating? Should I >remove the rear doors and tailgate or just leave them be? I think I am solid >from the rear seat back and I am pretty sure I am not solid from the rear seat >forward. Also what are other people using to paint inside areas that will >never be seen, but also likely will never see the light of day again? What >about seam sealers? What are people using there? > >Mark >81 Wag > > >Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:26:19 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model Knocking sound or any weird sound is not good, can be neglect or abuse. The 84 has a vacuum disconnect front differential which can lead to another set of headaches, while in 85 the disconnect is in the front part of the TC . But as a rule for AMC the years are just a mere suggestion, as model change can overlap by a few month. As I mentioned, most of the time the PO get rid of a source of issues. But for a little more $$$ http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/1966625199.html The seats look good, no mileage statement, make sure it has passed smog and look at the smog report to see if it passes smog with flying colors or barely passes it Cheers Michel Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:06:51 -0700 Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model From: cata1324-at-gmail.com To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com CC: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net Hi Michel, Thank you for all the help. You guys have been great. I've been looking on AutoTrader and Craigslist. I found a few on CL today - '85 (2 of them), '86, '87, '84 (2 of them). I liked the price and look of the '84 in Santa Monica, but they said a knocking noise started. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/1980932595.html I also get runs/looks great, but needs a battery. Seems like if all it needed was a battery, then they would keep it and put a new cheap battery in it. There must be other issues, right? Of those years, you suggest the '86 or newer, right? I'll actually be in SF this week. Thanks again for your help.Chris On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Michel Balea wrote: >From experience w a 74, 85 and lately an 87, I would stick to no later than 85 or 86. The 87 has a bunch of extra wires on the steering column, they have the newer style starter w the attached solenoid, which makes it harder to hot wire it, and I believe that 89 has the $$$$ EGR valve. 86 because of the new design of the dash has the advantage of not having the ammeter, avoiding the fatal jeep BBQ. Watch for rust and borderline spot weld on the rear wheel wells, the metal usually separates, of course the front is not better as water leaks for the cowl of the cold air vents. Ask, and we will help you some costly mistake. As said a stick could be more efficient, but rule #1 is to be your own mechanic, as the jeep will requires a few mods. Remember when one sells a vehicle, they usually get rid of some headache$$$. A good test is thru a car wash to check for water seapage..... then pull the carpet and check for water. Check all fluids for level and color, engine oil of course but do not forget the transmission, transfer case, rear differential and coolant. I am in the SF bay area if you need a second opinion. Michel > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:03:12 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: cata1324-at-gmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: Wagoneer - Choosing the Right Model > > First, > > You think you want a Full Size Jeep? > 1) are you a mechanic? > 2) are you married to a mechanic? > 3) are you related to a mechanic? > 4) are you independently wealthy and know a good mechanic? > > If you can't answer yes to any of the above, this may not be the best choice > in vehicles for you. > :) > > Ok, that said... I'd say 1981 or newer... but some of the '70's models are fine too. > > there are issues with all the years... based on my experiences I'd say a 1987 or > newer might offer a little less headache... unfortunately all you have for engine > and transmissions are the 360 V8 and TF727 transmission, neither of which are all > that great. They'll last, but they are inefficient... 8 to 12 mpg will be what you > can expect. > > In '86 they reworked the dash... my son has one and it drives wonderfully, but > it's thirsty and we had to replace the transfer case in it... > > Bottom line, if this is just going to be a fun family 4x4 any year will work fine. > > If you want, email info on which ones you're considering... and get on the FSJ > list on digest.net, we'll all help you spend your money. :) > > see: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/ for info. > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > when replying, please reply to: FullSizeJeeps-at-gmail.com > john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Chris Talbott wrote: > > # Hi John, > # > # I hope you are well. I'm hoping to purchase a Wagoneer to take to the beach > # and throw the kids stuff in the back. My question really is - which model > # year is the best and most reliable? I am sure it depends on each vehicle as > # a case-by-case basis. > # > # I appreciate any feedback or help with this. > # > # All the best, > # Chris > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:29:20 -0600 From: Troy Phagan Subject: fsj: useless Hollywood amusement I was flicking through the channels on cable last night and happened to come across an amusing sequence on 'CMT'. It was an old Dukes of Hazzard episode. Cooter and the Duke boys were wildly driving a 70's era Wagoneer on dirt roads and cross country in order to get to the scrapyard before the General Lee got tore up in a car crusher. They didn't do any of the stereotypical jumps, but some of the shots were at significant speed, and the off road sequences were pretty entertaining, given the era. The body roll of the wagoneer was very seventies! Some other recent Hollywood uses of a wagoneer i have noticed: A&E series: Breaking Bad (Now Canceled:) Heroes A tourism commercial for the state of AZ. There's one in an insurance commercial (don't remember the company though.) It seems Hollywood likes wagoneers, too. - -- - -Troy Troy Phagan C.R.P. 4x4& Auto Accessories 2102 9th ST Greeley, CO 80631 970-351-8603 fax: 970-353-3066 tsp-at-crptruck.com www.crptruck.com www.smilingcharleys.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:22:19 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: Only 2 more days! Then I leave corporate NAPA and take some time off before starting my new job at an independent store closer to home. No more I-5 in the AM mayhem anymore! It took an hour to get to work this AM and it wasn't even raining! Too many gawks on the road causing their own accidents and making things worse! Only a 12 mile commute before, but now it will be 2! I'll miss the discount (still get one, but they have higher costs) and many of the customers as well as most of my cow-orkers! ;^) My mom's recent passing left me sad, but in a position where I don't have to work so hard anymore and I can finally have my own little repair shop again! I'll be clearing out ALL the excess stuff I have, including MR253 and '84 Grand Wagoneer wiring diagram plus the Renix EFI & TBI books I have. If I'm lucky most will be gone before the next swapmeet where the rest will go, IF I can ever get to one as a seller! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:32:27 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: [FSJ-List] Only 2 more days! best of luck in the new venture, Jim!!! good to hear of the lesser commute. Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Blair" To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: [FSJ-List] Only 2 more days! > Then I leave corporate NAPA and take some time off before starting my new > job at an independent store closer to home. > No more I-5 in the AM mayhem anymore! It took an hour to get to work > this AM and it wasn't even raining! Too many gawks on the road causing > their own accidents and making things worse! Only a 12 mile commute > before, but now it will be 2! > I'll miss the discount (still get one, but they have higher costs) and > many of the customers as well as most of my cow-orkers! ;^) > My mom's recent passing left me sad, but in a position where I don't > have to work so hard anymore and I can finally have my own little repair > shop again! > I'll be clearing out ALL the excess stuff I have, including MR253 and > '84 Grand Wagoneer wiring diagram plus the Renix EFI & TBI books I have. > If I'm lucky most will be gone before the next swapmeet where the rest > will go, IF I can ever get to one as a seller! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: JeepNut Subject: fsj: Ideas for Grille restoration? http://www.youtube.com/user/JeepNutsGarage I put up a short vid showing what I'm working with here and need some ideas. The chrome plating is tough even if is flaking in places. But it all needs sanded and recoated with.... something. Herculiner just came to mind....hmmmm.... Let me know your ideas on refinishing this ugly thing. Thanks! JeepNut - ---------------------------------------------------------- '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, an heirloom. Passed to one of the grandkids in 2009 -at- 270K miles.... '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. '88 Grand Wagoneer - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3636 **************************