From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Oct 14 23:34:13 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, October 15 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3639 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: grille stuff Re: fsj: grille stuff fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: grille stuff Thanks for the offer...but... re: won't be $350 for sure.. Yeah but the gas would be double that. Even if I drove the WJ. LOL I WISH I lived up there. Between you, Jim B. among others I'd have a field day pickin'. Indiana uses so much salt on the roads here in the winter time that when the roads are DRY you can see the salt dust billowing up behind cars runnin' up the road. It's sad. There HAS to be a better solution. But road salt/sand is so cheap it'll never be replaced probably... And I guess it doesn't much matter to most folks since their cock-a-roach mobiles are all plastic... Lived as close to you as Sandy, OR in Naval days. But I always loved living in California, from San Diego to Santa Cruz over the years, it always felt like home. Until I got out of the service and couldn't AFFORD a home in California...lol. So it was off to Tennessee... (insert Green Acres theme here). ;-) JeepNut - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 - --- On Wed, 10/13/10, john wrote: From: john Subject: Re: fsj: grille stuff To: "JeepNut" Cc: "FSJ List" , "Greg Loxtercamp" Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:23 PM come on by and we'll negotiate... won't be $350 for sure... ;) you can do it, mark, michael, jim, curtis, paul, greg, joe, bill, larry, moe and curly have all been here... probably forgotten more than a few... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ when replying, please reply to: fotomeister-at-comcast.net john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, JeepNut wrote: # Well since you don't need those grille parts you could send 'em to me and I'll # let 'em hang around the front of my truck for a few years. # ;-) # # JeepNut # # ---------------------------------------------------------- # # Registered Linux user #287453 # # --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Greg Loxtercamp wrote: # # From: Greg Loxtercamp # Subject: Re: fsj: grille stuff # To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 1:46 PM # # The round headlight rings and tubs are the same ones used on the CJs. # # I also have a rhino chaser hanging above my bench. When I moved back to Mpls, # I # brought the front sheetmetal that holds the grill and the headlights to the # salvage yard. I wish I would have kept that, I would then have mounted the RC # grill and the round headlights in the metal and would have the complete assy # hanging about the bench... # # One problem with mounting the round tubs in the rectangular headlight hole of # the newer SJs is that a bit of the rectangular cutout still shows outside the # ring...but the round tub fits in the mounts for the rectangular tubs. You # just # have to weld a piece of sheetmetal to cover that up. # # My RC grill and the round tubs & rings are the only SJ parts I have # left...other # than the collection of SAE nuts and bolts in my nuts&bolts box. I got rid of # my # SJ 10 years ago...yikes...what am I still doing on this list??? # # Greg # # # # ________________________________ # From: john # To: Mark Wallace # Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 1:33:03 PM # Subject: Re: fsj: grille stuff # # I could send you the headlight rings, once we verify that they are the # correct ones... in exchange for a fiberglass set... (plus materials costs of # course) :) # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # when replying, please reply to: fotomeister-at-comcast.net # john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Mark Wallace wrote: # # # Just checked out a few of your vids JeepNut. That transmission is pretty # # beat. # # # # The grille I believe is ABS (acrylinitrile butydiene styrene). if we go # back # # to my days as an automobile engineer working in plastics ABS does a few # things # # pretty well one of which is taking paint, and one of which is impact. So # get # # the chrome off...I'd be inclined to just sand it off as best you can as # # sandpaper is reasonably cheap and paint it with whatever. I'd likely use # 220 # # grit and try it both wet and dry. heavy solvents (MEK acetone, Lacquer # # thinner) will eat the ABS, but the levels of solvent in the paints these # days # # are pretty low. If you like the Rhino Liner stuff great, if you want to # match # # the body color your friendly neighborhood DuPont or PPG jobber will be # happy # # to mix you up a plastic friendly paint...you shouldn't need an Ad Pro # # (adhesion promoter) with ABS. Or you can go to my standby Rust-Oleum. # # # # I have toyed with the idea of pulling a fiberglass mold off the # Rhino-Chaser # # grille that hangs above my workbench and making some fiberglass # Rhino-Chasers. # # Is there any interest in these? If I had the headlight bits I could pull # molds # # off of them as well. # # # # Mark # # 81 Wag # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:31:05 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: grille stuff Tennessee is nice... nice and humid... mild winters... nice folks... know what you mean about house prices... taxes are nuts out here too... On 10/13/2010 9:33 PM, JeepNut wrote: > Thanks for the offer...but... > > re: won't be $350 for sure.. > Yeah but the gas would be double that. Even if I drove the WJ. LOL > > I WISH I lived up there. Between you, Jim B. among others I'd have a field > day pickin'. Indiana uses so much salt on the roads here in the winter time > that when the roads are DRY you can see the salt dust billowing up behind cars > runnin' up the road. It's sad. There HAS to be a better solution. But road > salt/sand is so cheap it'll never be replaced probably... And I guess it > doesn't much matter to most folks since their cock-a-roach mobiles are all > plastic... > > Lived as close to you as Sandy, OR in Naval days. > But I always loved living in California, from San Diego to Santa Cruz over the > years, it always felt like home. > Until I got out of the service and couldn't AFFORD a home in > California...lol. So it was off to Tennessee... (insert Green Acres theme > here). > > ;-) > > JeepNut > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Registered Linux user #287453 > > --- On Wed, 10/13/10, john wrote: > > From: john > Subject: Re: fsj: grille stuff > To: "JeepNut" > Cc: "FSJ List", "Greg Loxtercamp" > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:23 PM > > come on by and we'll negotiate... won't be $350 for sure... ;) > > you can do it, mark, michael, jim, curtis, paul, greg, joe, > bill, larry, moe and curly have all been here... probably forgotten > more than a few... > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > when replying, please reply to: fotomeister-at-comcast.net > john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, JeepNut wrote: > > # Well since you don't need those grille parts you could send 'em to me and > I'll > # let 'em hang around the front of my truck for a few years. > # ;-) > # > # JeepNut > # > # ---------------------------------------------------------- > # > # Registered Linux user #287453 > # > # --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Greg Loxtercamp wrote: > # > # From: Greg Loxtercamp > # Subject: Re: fsj: grille stuff > # To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > # Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 1:46 PM > # > # The round headlight rings and tubs are the same ones used on the CJs. > # > # I also have a rhino chaser hanging above my bench. When I moved back to > Mpls, > # I > # brought the front sheetmetal that holds the grill and the headlights to > the > # salvage yard. I wish I would have kept that, I would then have mounted the > RC > # grill and the round headlights in the metal and would have the complete > assy > # hanging about the bench... > # > # One problem with mounting the round tubs in the rectangular headlight hole > of > # the newer SJs is that a bit of the rectangular cutout still shows outside > the > # ring...but the round tub fits in the mounts for the rectangular tubs. You > # just > # have to weld a piece of sheetmetal to cover that up. > # > # My RC grill and the round tubs& rings are the only SJ parts I have > # left...other > # than the collection of SAE nuts and bolts in my nuts&bolts box. I got rid > of > # my > # SJ 10 years ago...yikes...what am I still doing on this list??? > # > # Greg > # > # > # > # ________________________________ > # From: john > # To: Mark Wallace > # Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > # Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 1:33:03 PM > # Subject: Re: fsj: grille stuff > # > # I could send you the headlight rings, once we verify that they are the > # correct ones... in exchange for a fiberglass set... (plus materials costs > of > # course) :) > # > # john > # > # > # > # ----- > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # when replying, please reply to: fotomeister-at-comcast.net > # john-at-wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Mark Wallace wrote: > # > # # Just checked out a few of your vids JeepNut. That transmission is > pretty > # # beat. > # # > # # The grille I believe is ABS (acrylinitrile butydiene styrene). if we go > # back > # # to my days as an automobile engineer working in plastics ABS does a few > # things > # # pretty well one of which is taking paint, and one of which is impact. So > # get > # # the chrome off...I'd be inclined to just sand it off as best you can as > # # sandpaper is reasonably cheap and paint it with whatever. I'd likely use > # 220 > # # grit and try it both wet and dry. heavy solvents (MEK acetone, Lacquer > # # thinner) will eat the ABS, but the levels of solvent in the paints these > # days > # # are pretty low. If you like the Rhino Liner stuff great, if you want to > # match > # # the body color your friendly neighborhood DuPont or PPG jobber will be > # happy > # # to mix you up a plastic friendly paint...you shouldn't need an Ad Pro > # # (adhesion promoter) with ABS. Or you can go to my standby Rust-Oleum. > # # > # # I have toyed with the idea of pulling a fiberglass mold off the > # Rhino-Chaser > # # grille that hangs above my workbench and making some fiberglass > # Rhino-Chasers. > # # Is there any interest in these? If I had the headlight bits I could pull > # molds > # # off of them as well. > # # > # # Mark > # # 81 Wag > # # > # > - -- john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:15:06 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. Persons who read the list via email are automatically members, but readers of the FTP archive are not, and need to contact me (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) and get your name added to the list of "permitted senders". b) has your email address changed? some of you have had changes in your email address. your old address still works, and is still on the list, but your From: line shows a new address. this can happen for various reasons; you may have changed jobs or ISPs, and left a forward in place, or your IT staff may have fiddled with the email system. you will need to unsubscribe your old email address and subscribe the new one. this may require my involvement, if you can't figure out a way to get your old address off the list using the conventional majordomo commands. you can use the majordomo "which" command to probe for old addresses. send a message to majordomo-at-digest.net with one or more which commands in the body, one per line. to check for potential addresses for Fred Flinstone, formerly of bedrock.org, the following commands can be sent: which flintstone which bedrock note that the matches above might return any of the following addresses, if they appear in the list (in other words, you can use vagueness and incompleteness in your recollection as a tool): Fred.Flinstone-at-bedrock.org fflinstone-at-wilma.bedrock.org flintstonef-at-bedrock.com c) do you have more than one email address? if so, only the subscribed addresses can post, unless you contact me (see 1.a) above for relevant information) d) are you using (intentionally or accidentially) special "features" of your mail client? [this section is no longer operative, as the demime software now strips html, attachments, rich text format, etc. from postings automatically.] e) are your posts too large? there is a 10,000 character limit on posting sizes; this is done for various reasons. you can always split up large postings to get mail through. f) are you including majordomo commands at the start of your message? administrivia control is turned on; this is a trap for things like "unsubscribe" at the start of a message. try to avoid obvious majordomo commands in the subject and the first 10 lines, or misspell them in obvious ways (e.g. unzubscribe, 1ndex, h3lp, g3t, etc.) g) are you triggering spam traps? some things are red flags; for example, many phrases found commonly in spam are automatically blocked. h) are you using "funky" character sets? [7 bit restriction lifted experimentally on 8/2/00 -- film at 11] unfortunately, there are "issues" if i permit any character set other than old fashioned 7 level ASCII; therefore, you need to avoid national character sets that include various accents, umlauts, national currency characters such as the British pound symbol, etc. i) are you unintentionally including complete digests in your reply? You need to check and make sure you cut down replys to the minimal size; digests are between 20,000 and 25,000 characters in length, and if you include a complete digest in your reply, it clearly won't make the 10,000 character limit. By the way, this feature is intentional. j) Are you using a "bad" ISP or mail relay? See http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html for more information about Digest.Net policies about email. k) Is the error message you get back "User Unknown"? If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3639 **************************