From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 8 08:25:03 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, December 8 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3657 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 Re: fsj: popcorn special (tdi's, sd33t's, 300Ds, WJs, FSJs, oh my...) Re: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 RE: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 RE: fsj: Re: winches FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:09:36 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 What about that Cummins powered bus I sent you the link to? I'd be interested in the body as a rolling shed and we could pull the motor up at my cabin. ;^) With friends like me, who needs enemies? > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:30:25 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: joe-at-j-hughes.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 > > got any 4bt's laying around? :) > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Joe Hughes wrote: > > # I wish I had $5k. I canb^Yt stop drooling over this M715 CL ad. > # > # > # > # Joe Hughes > # > # Cell/Text: (joe) hug-hes2 > # > # b^Y49 Willys Pickup, 73 Cherokee chassis, 4BT, T-19, NP205, D44b^Ys > # > # b^Y50 Willys Wagon, 95 Dodge 2500 chassis, 6BT, 47RH, NP241, D70-60 (Project) > # > # b^Y22 Willys Overland Touring > # > # > # > # Feed: craigslist seattle | all for sale / wanted search "dodge diesel" > # Posted on: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:29 PM > # Author: webmaster-at-craigslist.org > # Subject: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 > # > # > # > # > # This is a 1967 M715 old military truck that has been restored fully sand > # blasted and painted. down to bare frame. and painted with the good paint from > # army jeepparts.com rust free > # the engine transmission and transfercase has be replaced with modern > # components. it now has a cummins 4bt diesel engine installed mated to a nv4500 > # 5 speed trans from a 2001 dodge cummins truck and the original noisy np200 > # transfercase has been replaced with a np205. none of them leak and all runs > # and shift smooth. the engine runs great and doesnt smoke even when cold. the > # rear main oil seal has been replaced on the engine less that 50 miles ago. the > # engine also has a brand new turbo charger installed. > # has a block heater to keep the engine warm if desired but not necessary. the > # is 12v setup with all wiring complete. turnsignal. tail, brake and head lights > # all work. > # it does need the front turn signals installed but do come with the truck. the > # hood wasn't painted because during prep my neighbor ran it over with his > # truck. I did install it for legality purposes. but a hood from an old jeep > # wagoneer or j series pickup will bolt right on. its the one single body part > # that can be had from the civilian version of this truck. i have a half gallon > # of the OD green paint. to paint the new hood to match the rest of the truck. > # the entire under body has been rubber coated for long life. the soft top is > # NOS. there are modern militay seats that come with it. now for the bad I dove > # this truck to the dump and on the way home the rear axle went out. but I do > # have a replacement axle sitting here that I am going to install its not > # original so it does not match the front but then at least it can be driven. I > # am just burnt out on this project. I have been working on it all summer and > # just got it on the road. I have a family and am in need of a crewcab truck. > # so if you are looking for a unique truck that turns heads and needs just a > # little work then this is it. I have 8K invested in the truck not to mention > # hundreds of hours of work.. > # I also have a full service manual for the engine and 4 original service > # manuals for the truck all are different. before and after pics. willing to > # seperate motor trans and truck. > # 2200 for just the truck 1700 for the engine. more information on the engine > # can be found -at- 4btswaps.com and info on the truck m715zone.com > # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0525.jpg[/IMG] > # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0527.jpg[/IMG] > # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0354.jpg[/IMG] > # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0319.jpg[/IMG] > # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0224.jpg[/IMG] > # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0187.jpg[/IMG] > # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0315.jpg[/IMG] > # > # > # View article... > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:15:55 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: popcorn special (tdi's, sd33t's, 300Ds, WJs, FSJs, oh my...) got my TDI to the shop tonight, it sounded horrible... when I drove into the shop's lot they were all looking at it... sounded like chitty chitty bang bang... hopefully the used IP pump will swap out without drama... but why would it? :) looking at the Cherokee pictures it's nice to see it's all setup for an Automatic. superdawg is setup for manual trans so I may keep it that way and look for a Scout manual trans for Superdawg... or some way of mating my T5 to the SAE#4 adapter so I can use what I have and keep superdawg as as stick since he'll be the dirt hauling errand vehicle. anyone have any ideas on the SAE#4 adapter out of my CJ-10A to a Jeep T5? I'm trying to remember if I sold that adapter... don't think I did. I'm wondering if I shouldn't find an old J10 and swap the axle so I can use the Scout transmission/xfr case... we'll see... first things first... not sure I want a Dana 20 xfr case anyone on the CJ-10 list have a setup that will work in an '83 Cherokee mated to an SD33T? also noticed that both '83 trucks have A/C. :) which means I can probably rob the brackets off the 360 to adapt to the SD33T. will try to get it working in both. then today, my WJ spit up a check engine code today... the P0442 error, a leak in the fuel vent, or a bad gas cap... not sure how to fix that... guess my mightyvac that I bought to work on the Diesel Benz will be useful. need to get the 300D realigned since it has new tires... it's not pulling hard to the right now, but slightly to the left... my son plans to put a locker in his '85 GW this weekend... he's moving back in tomorrow... he got my office out in the garage and I got the upstairs bedroom... a good thing, forced me to purge, selling a bunch of stuff off on ebay because of their free listing sale. :) http://shop.ebay.com/dieseljohn/m.html so, first thing is to get my TDi back from the shop, figure out the P0442 code on the WJ, get the FEA on the 300D, help my son with the GW locker, figure out how to get the Chief home and then get all my stuff and superdawg up from centralia, never heard from curtis despite emails, phone calls... hope everything is ok down there... guess I don't need to bring superdawg up right away, but I will need that engine, and want to use the nice grille on the Chief... john interim score: 2003 Jetta GLS TDI wagon - in shop, getting a Used Injection pump installed - should be all it needs for some time 40-50mpg! 1991 300D - new tires, needs the front alignment dialed in 1983 J10 stepside - superdawg - in pieces in centralia for about 10 years now... 1983 Cherokee Chief - non-running and waiting for me to pick it up - bad 360 suspected, new 727/np228 1999 WJ - spitting up an emissions code: P0442 Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (medium leak) (any thoughts on the fix?) On 12/7/2010 8:27 PM, Jim Blair wrote: > Nope. WT got it's own special inbetween size. > > Rear the same as a j10? > From: Jim Blair > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:47:15 -0800To:Subject: RE: fsj: > popcorn special > The WT front axle and Jtruck are the same. The Cherokee should be lighter than > a CJ10 tug! >> here's the pictures: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1983-CherokeeChief/ALL.html > - -- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:17:22 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 would love it but don't have the money and a 6BT is massive... and heavy... the SD33T is just right... I do need to rebuild one of these spare IP's though... or find another Scout TD for cheap. :) On 12/7/2010 10:09 PM, Jim Blair wrote: > What about that Cummins powered bus I sent you the link to? I'd be interested > in the body as a rolling shed and we could pull the motor up at my cabin. > ;^) > > With friends like me, who needs enemies? > >> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:30:25 -0800 >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com >> To: joe-at-j-hughes.com >> CC: fsj-at-digest.net >> Subject: Re: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 >> >> got any 4bt's laying around? :) >> >> >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Joe Hughes wrote: >> >> # I wish I had $5k. I canb^Yt stop drooling over this M715 CL ad. >> # >> # >> # >> # Joe Hughes >> # >> # Cell/Text: (joe) hug-hes2 >> # >> # b^Y49 Willys Pickup, 73 Cherokee chassis, 4BT, T-19, NP205, D44b^Ys >> # >> # b^Y50 Willys Wagon, 95 Dodge 2500 chassis, 6BT, 47RH, NP241, D70-60 > (Project) >> # >> # b^Y22 Willys Overland Touring >> # >> # >> # >> # Feed: craigslist seattle | all for sale / wanted search "dodge diesel" >> # Posted on: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:29 PM >> # Author: webmaster-at-craigslist.org >> # Subject: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 >> # >> # >> # >> # >> # This is a 1967 M715 old military truck that has been restored fully sand >> # blasted and painted. down to bare frame. and painted with the good paint > from >> # army jeepparts.com rust free >> # the engine transmission and transfercase has be replaced with modern >> # components. it now has a cummins 4bt diesel engine installed mated to a > nv4500 >> # 5 speed trans from a 2001 dodge cummins truck and the original noisy > np200 >> # transfercase has been replaced with a np205. none of them leak and all > runs >> # and shift smooth. the engine runs great and doesnt smoke even when cold. > the >> # rear main oil seal has been replaced on the engine less that 50 miles > ago. the >> # engine also has a brand new turbo charger installed. >> # has a block heater to keep the engine warm if desired but not necessary. > the >> # is 12v setup with all wiring complete. turnsignal. tail, brake and head > lights >> # all work. >> # it does need the front turn signals installed but do come with the truck. > the >> # hood wasn't painted because during prep my neighbor ran it over with his >> # truck. I did install it for legality purposes. but a hood from an old > jeep >> # wagoneer or j series pickup will bolt right on. its the one single body > part >> # that can be had from the civilian version of this truck. i have a half > gallon >> # of the OD green paint. to paint the new hood to match the rest of the > truck. >> # the entire under body has been rubber coated for long life. the soft top > is >> # NOS. there are modern militay seats that come with it. now for the bad I > dove >> # this truck to the dump and on the way home the rear axle went out. but I > do >> # have a replacement axle sitting here that I am going to install its not >> # original so it does not match the front but then at least it can be > driven. I >> # am just burnt out on this project. I have been working on it all summer > and >> # just got it on the road. I have a family and am in need of a crewcab > truck. >> # so if you are looking for a unique truck that turns heads and needs just > a >> # little work then this is it. I have 8K invested in the truck not to > mention >> # hundreds of hours of work.. >> # I also have a full service manual for the engine and 4 original service >> # manuals for the truck all are different. before and after pics. willing > to >> # seperate motor trans and truck. >> # 2200 for just the truck 1700 for the engine. more information on the > engine >> # can be found -at- 4btswaps.com and info on the truck m715zone.com >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0525.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0527.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0354.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0319.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0224.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0187.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0315.jpg[/IMG] >> # >> # >> # View article... >> # > - -- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:18:36 -0800 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: RE: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 Yea, I can't imagine the 6BT with a 1/2 ton frame, axles and springs. Nice thing about the buses they have an Allison transmission instead of the wimpy 47RH or 48RE that they have in the Dodge's. I think the 4BT in my FSJ chassis is just right, plenty of power, less weight and shouldn't be too much for the 44's. Now if I could just find a Ford ZF 5-speed for it... Anyone have a 88+ Ford with a small block or I6 with a 5-speed they don't need? I Checked the local pull-a-parts this last weekend and surprisingly struck out. I thought it was going to be an easy find. Joe Hughes Cell/Text: (joe) hug-hes2 '49 Willys Pickup, 73 Cherokee chassis, 4BT, T-19, NP205, D44's '50 Willys Wagon, 95 Dodge 2500 chassis, 6BT, 47RH, NP241, D70-60 (Project) '22 Willys Overland Touring - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:dieseljohn-at-comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:17 PM To: Jim Blair Cc: joe-at-j-hughes.com; fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 would love it but don't have the money and a 6BT is massive... and heavy... the SD33T is just right... I do need to rebuild one of these spare IP's though... or find another Scout TD for cheap. :) On 12/7/2010 10:09 PM, Jim Blair wrote: > What about that Cummins powered bus I sent you the link to? I'd be > interested in the body as a rolling shed and we could pull the motor up at my cabin. > ;^) > > With friends like me, who needs enemies? > >> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:30:25 -0800 >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com >> To: joe-at-j-hughes.com >> CC: fsj-at-digest.net >> Subject: Re: fsj: FW: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 >> >> got any 4bt's laying around? :) >> >> >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com >> http://fotomeister.us >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> >> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Joe Hughes wrote: >> >> # I wish I had $5k. I canb^Yt stop drooling over this M715 CL ad. >> # >> # >> # >> # Joe Hughes >> # >> # Cell/Text: (joe) hug-hes2 >> # >> # b^Y49 Willys Pickup, 73 Cherokee chassis, 4BT, T-19, NP205, D44b^Ys >> # >> # b^Y50 Willys Wagon, 95 Dodge 2500 chassis, 6BT, 47RH, NP241, >> D70-60 > (Project) >> # >> # b^Y22 Willys Overland Touring >> # >> # >> # >> # Feed: craigslist seattle | all for sale / wanted search "dodge diesel" >> # Posted on: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:29 PM >> # Author: webmaster-at-craigslist.org >> # Subject: kiaser M715 military jeep truck (poulsbo) $5000 >> # >> # >> # >> # >> # This is a 1967 M715 old military truck that has been restored fully sand >> # blasted and painted. down to bare frame. and painted with the >> good paint > from >> # army jeepparts.com rust free >> # the engine transmission and transfercase has be replaced with modern >> # components. it now has a cummins 4bt diesel engine installed >> mated to a > nv4500 >> # 5 speed trans from a 2001 dodge cummins truck and the original >> noisy > np200 >> # transfercase has been replaced with a np205. none of them leak >> and all > runs >> # and shift smooth. the engine runs great and doesnt smoke even when cold. > the >> # rear main oil seal has been replaced on the engine less that 50 >> miles > ago. the >> # engine also has a brand new turbo charger installed. >> # has a block heater to keep the engine warm if desired but not necessary. > the >> # is 12v setup with all wiring complete. turnsignal. tail, brake >> and head > lights >> # all work. >> # it does need the front turn signals installed but do come with the truck. > the >> # hood wasn't painted because during prep my neighbor ran it over with his >> # truck. I did install it for legality purposes. but a hood from an >> old > jeep >> # wagoneer or j series pickup will bolt right on. its the one >> single body > part >> # that can be had from the civilian version of this truck. i have a >> half > gallon >> # of the OD green paint. to paint the new hood to match the rest of >> the > truck. >> # the entire under body has been rubber coated for long life. the >> soft top > is >> # NOS. there are modern militay seats that come with it. now for >> the bad I > dove >> # this truck to the dump and on the way home the rear axle went >> out. but I > do >> # have a replacement axle sitting here that I am going to install its not >> # original so it does not match the front but then at least it can >> be > driven. I >> # am just burnt out on this project. I have been working on it all >> summer > and >> # just got it on the road. I have a family and am in need of a >> crewcab > truck. >> # so if you are looking for a unique truck that turns heads and >> needs just > a >> # little work then this is it. I have 8K invested in the truck not >> to > mention >> # hundreds of hours of work.. >> # I also have a full service manual for the engine and 4 original service >> # manuals for the truck all are different. before and after pics. >> willing > to >> # seperate motor trans and truck. >> # 2200 for just the truck 1700 for the engine. more information on >> the > engine >> # can be found -at- 4btswaps.com and info on the truck m715zone.com >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0525.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0527.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0354.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0319.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0224.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0187.jpg[/IMG] >> # [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Zx3Queen/DSC_0315.jpg[/IMG] >> # >> # >> # View article... >> # > - -- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:11:49 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: winches A nice feature for a winch install is to be able to move it to the back hitch.... I know we are supposed to be wheeling with others, but if stuck you need to be able to go back.... sometimes. So any ideas on the best way to install a front hitch? I already got a nice square front a montero, now I need to install a matching plate and braces on the front. Michel > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 20:41:48 -0800 > From: thejeepnut-at-yahoo.com > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: winches > Thanks Troy. I personally like getting tech info from anyone who has hands on > experience. ;-) > > I really, really like the way Warn supports the customer. > It's getting too rare and I like to and DO support companies that do business > that way, most of the time, but man $1200 is a small fortune to me... I'm > looking for a used one but used Warn/Ramsey or even MileMarker 9-10k winches > don't seem to turn up around here on Craigslist. I'm gonna keep lookin. > It > bugs me nuts that the politico/economic situation is the way that it is but > that's gonna turn in to a rant so let me just say thanks for your feedback on > this. > > I'm comparing a lot of things and trying to figure out how to justify > the cost differences. I don't go wheeling often, definitely not as often as i > would LIKE to go, but I'm not always bright. lol > I'll get sick of waiting > for the one or two only other guys I know around the area that wheel and I'll > go by myself. Then I get stuck. > Last time I went we had a hoarde of like 9 or > 10 ATVS come to our rescue. I think we were on the ATV trails. Wasn't seeing > any other trucks back there. Anyway they threw down 4 straps and they all > gassed it in different directions going forward and that was all the umph I > needed to get up out of the ravine I was in. The 4 10-13yr olds that were > with me were totally thrilled with the whole thing and a good time was had by > all. :-) > But I'd have liked to have had a winch... I was just getting > started with the hi-lift when they came along and I was SOOOOOO glad... 2 > minutes into THAT exercise and I was exhausted. But it was a big hole and a > heavy truck for that kind of nonsense. ;-) > > JeepNut > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Registered Linux > user #287453 > > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Troy Phagan wrote: > > > > From: Troy Phagan > > Subject: fsj: Re: winches > > To: > fsj-at-digest.net > > Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 5:08 PM > > RE: Winches: > > > > I > am a 'Red Letter Dealer' for Warn winches. That > > means I am an authorized > dealer, and only sell at authorized > > prices. > > > > I don't intend this as an > advertisement, but have > > some insight into what you are seeing. For the > record, > > I am also frustrated by the situation. Plus, it's not > > limited to > winches, many, many automotive aftermarket items > > are experiencing similar > situations. For example Lift kits: > > Very few lift kit/ suspension parts are > built using USA made > > steel products. Most is imported. I can name the > > > names if anyone is interested. It's the Global > > economics at work. > > > > > Except for the Tabor line, all WARN winches are designed, > > built and > assembled in the USA. Warn stands behind > > their products; you can order > repair parts, or at least > > replacement sub-assembly items, for 30 year old > Warn > > winches. That is NOT even true of many automobiles, > > not to mention > aftermarket items like winches. Each > > warn motor is designed for the task in > mind. Almost > > all of the import / china winches are using very big, > > > primitive motors and are accomplishing the various > > weight pull ratings > through gear reductions. A > > Warn winch will not fry your alternator / > battery. The > > cheap imports have massive amperage draws and heat up > > > quickly due to their primitive, inefficient motors and get > > progressively > worse. The also tend to be constructed > > of brittle, caste materials that > break easily. It is > > very common for users of import winches to use them > once, > > twice, three times and then have them fail. Then, it > > is near > impossible to get repair parts. They get > > thrown away... > > > > Warn is very > aware of the pricing situation. They are > > trying to find ways to reduce > costs without going overseas > > or making an inferior product. One of the > things they > > mentioned to me that will happen soon is an improvement to a > > > newer, sealed solenoid device that will be universal to all > > their winches. > The new electronic solenoid will be > > waterproof, and universal, and be a cost > reduction. It > > was not said, but it maybe an imported device, I don't > > > know. They don't share too many intimate details, but > > I know they know > what's going on in the world. > > > > I also sell other brands, but Warn is my > preferred > > brand. Unfortunately, I don't sell many winches, and I > > don't > make much when I do. I sell a couple Smittybilt > > (chinese/import) winches a > month.. I sell a couple > > Warn winches in a YEAR. > > > > FYI: Warn has a rebate > program on now until the end of the > > year: > http://www.warn.com/truck/cash_rebate.shtml > > > > Again, I don't mean this as > an advertisement, but it is an > > issue relevant to the list. If anyone would > like more > > information they can contact me off-list if desired. > > Or, I > suggest contacting the individual winch companies > > personally. I > specifically mean to phone any company > > in question. Most do not respond to > email in any kind > > of meaningful fashion.... > > > > Regards, > > ---Troy > > > > > Troy Phagan > > C.R.P. 4x4 & Auto Accessories > > 2102 9th ST > > Greeley, CO 80631 > > 970-351-8603 > > fax: 970-353-3066 > > > > tsp-at-crptruck.com > > > > www.crptruck.com > > www.smilingcharleys.com ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3657 **************************