From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 15 07:49:44 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, December 15 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3662 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: 360 --> 4.2 fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) RE: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 RE: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 fsj: OT: linux fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage RE: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:39:51 +0000 From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com Subject: fsj: Re: 360 --> 4.2 Benefit of the 4.0 is a lighter block, better flow and fuel injection. Problem is the computers. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - -----Original Message----- From: Tesar Landon-R16884 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:15:52 To: john; full size jeep list Cc: xj-list Subject: RE: 360 --> 4.2 I'm weighing a similar option. The 258's are dirt cheap, and the 4.0s are more like potting soil cheap, imo. I was wondering if there is any benefit with the oiling system on the 4.0..? - - Landon - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:31 PM To: full size jeep list Cc: xj-list Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr case, and I think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of course I just recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:11:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) trying to figure out what transmissions I can use with an SAE #4 adapter engine block (SD33T). http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?22-Transmission-Adapter-Transfercase-Discussion&s=3c3d2902fd4a4ad512d6e24f95d96639 http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?8034-Transmission-options-for-SAE-4 http://www.phxgrp.com/transChrysler.htm http://www.phxgrp.com/transmission.htm john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:49:55 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) I have a nice Clark 5 speed with SAE#4 behind the 345 in my '71 Loadstar. Just not sure if it's O/D or not. It has a Brownie 3 speed behind that (over/under/straight) and a 2 speed rear axle. (That's 30 gears forwards and it still tops out at 55 mph!) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:11:35 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) > > trying to figure out what transmissions I can use with an SAE #4 adapter engine block (SD33T). > > > > > http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?22-Transmission-Adapter-Transf ercase-Discussion&s=3c3d2902fd4a4ad512d6e24f95d96639 > > http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?8034-Transmission-options-for-SA E-4 > > http://www.phxgrp.com/transChrysler.htm > > http://www.phxgrp.com/transmission.htm > > > > john ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:12:10 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 Exhaust up to the cat. Mounts on both the frame AND the motor (4.0L ones are different) I have a brand new TH400 flexplate someplace, but I'm looking for the 304 one for 727. I just have to knock the weight off it for the 6 cyl. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > > thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. > > what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? > > > I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr case, and I > think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of course I just > recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) the thing probably weighs as much as an XJ too. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # # I have a nice Clark 5 speed with SAE#4 behind the 345 in my '71 Loadstar. Just not sure if it's O/D or not. It has a Brownie 3 speed behind that (over/under/straight) and a 2 speed rear axle. (That's 30 gears forwards and it still tops out at 55 mph!) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:11:35 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) # > # > trying to figure out what transmissions I can use with an SAE #4 adapter engine block (SD33T). # > # > # > # > # > http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?22-Transmission-Adapter-Transfercase-Discussion&s=3c3d2902fd4a4ad512d6e24f95d96639 # > # > http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?8034-Transmission-options-for-SAE-4 # > # > http://www.phxgrp.com/transChrysler.htm # > # > http://www.phxgrp.com/transmission.htm # > # > # > # > john ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 so all I'd need is a 4.2 with a flex plate and it would drop right on the existing frame mounts? sounds like a reasonable solution to an economical end. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # # Exhaust up to the cat. Mounts on both the frame AND the motor (4.0L ones are different) I have a brand new TH400 flexplate someplace, but I'm looking for the 304 one for 727. I just have to knock the weight off it for the 6 cyl. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # > CC: xj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 # > # > thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. # > # > what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? # > # > # > I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr case, and I # > think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of course I just # > recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: OT: linux I've been a major OpenSUSE (and SUSE) fan for over 10 years... ...just wondering... is there a better distro that uses a good version of KDE? I need a working sendmail system... what distro works best with sendmail/pop or imap and apache? I don't have time to do the full on sys admin thing, but if it's simple enough I'm game. YAST has been pretty good in SuSE, but I haven't had much luck with sendmail/POP, etc. I'm also looking at doing more with wagoneers.com in the way of blogging or forums and need a robust distribution to support that activity. I have a dislike for Gnome and red hat, but open to the rest of the open source world. you might just email me directly on this one instead of borrowing everyone else, email me at linuxmeister at comcast.net. in other news, the WJ still has an error code for it's emission vent system, the 300D is doing quite well, the Injection Pump for my TDI is on it's way back up here to get installed likely on Thursday, superdawg is still in pieces but supposedly the SD33T is in the chassis, haven't brought the '83 Cherokee home but am on the hook to get... thinking about dropping a 4.2L in it to get it running, will wait for superdawg to get done to see how the SD33T works, if it does will go through my 2nd one and use it. my son just put a locker in his '85 GW (model 20 rear axle, lock-right) and was going to have a shift kit installed, shop pulled it apart and found metal, wouldn't do it, figure the 727 is doomed... we're kind of shopping for a used XJ with a good 4.0L/AW4 and set up his GW with it. it's been raining every day for many days... nasty winter weather... the dikes in the valley are holding... don't like the heavy winter rain, waiting for the regular light rain that we have most of the year... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:15:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage just found my notes from superdawg, 4.2L with T-5, 235s and 3.31 gears: average fuel economy over 8,821.8 miles was 13.65 mpg best ever mileage was 18.65 mpg my records for my '81 were all on paper, but the best mileage ever was 13.74 something, average was in the 11-12 mpg range. my best XJ average was the '87 4.0 with 3" of lift and 31s, got around 17 in town, 21 on the highway... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:29:17 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage Was the 13.65 before or after I adjusted the carb? When I tore mine apart in your yard to adjust it, I had been getting 10 mpg and it went up to 19 after and slowly dropped again as the 727 transmission died. (I barely made it out of your driveway a week later because it was slipping so bad in first I had to put it in low gear to get up the hil, and could only do that if I shut the truck off first as the first/reverse clutches were fried together by the previous owner) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:05:15 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage > > just found my notes from superdawg, 4.2L with T-5, 235s and 3.31 gears: > average fuel economy over 8,821.8 miles was 13.65 mpg > > best ever mileage was 18.65 mpg > > my records for my '81 were all on paper, but the best mileage ever > was 13.74 something, average was in the 11-12 mpg range. > > > my best XJ average was the '87 4.0 with 3" of lift and 31s, got around 17 in town, > 21 on the highway... > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:36:07 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 Need the frame horns for it to work. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:11:07 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > > so all I'd need is a 4.2 with a flex plate and it would > drop right on the existing frame mounts? > > sounds like a reasonable solution to an economical end. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # Exhaust up to the cat. Mounts on both the frame AND the motor (4.0L ones are different) I have a brand new TH400 flexplate someplace, but I'm looking for the 304 one for 727. I just have to knock the weight off it for the 6 cyl. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > # > CC: xj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > # > > # > thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. > # > > # > what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? > # > > # > > # > I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr case, and I > # > think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of course I just > # > recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3662 **************************