From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Dec 16 10:37:37 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, December 16 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3663 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 RE: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) Re: fsj: Re: 360 --> 4.2 Re: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage Re: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 Re: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 Re: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 RE: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:41:04 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 You could put a 4.0L in, temporarily convert it to carb and switch to EFI later. I'm looking for a Grand Cherokee 4.0L flexplate to put in my Eagle so the swap will be less painful $$ wise later. I think I still have a 999 case from a '99 Wrangler that I can match the CPS hole on the 727 with. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:11:07 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > > so all I'd need is a 4.2 with a flex plate and it would > drop right on the existing frame mounts? > > sounds like a reasonable solution to an economical end. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # Exhaust up to the cat. Mounts on both the frame AND the motor (4.0L ones are different) I have a brand new TH400 flexplate someplace, but I'm looking for the 304 one for 727. I just have to knock the weight off it for the 6 cyl. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > # > CC: xj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > # > > # > thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. > # > > # > what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? > # > > # > > # > I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr case, and I > # > think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of course I just > # > recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:51:25 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) I can still move it by myself, so it's less than a 4.0L shortblock (as long as it's empty of oil) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:10:21 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) > > the thing probably weighs as much as an XJ too. :) > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # I have a nice Clark 5 speed with SAE#4 behind the 345 in my '71 Loadstar. Just not sure if it's O/D or not. It has a Brownie 3 speed behind that (over/under/straight) and a 2 speed rear axle. (That's 30 gears forwards and it still tops out at 55 mph!) > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:11:35 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: SAE# 4 adapter (fwd) > # > > # > trying to figure out what transmissions I can use with an SAE #4 adapter engine block (SD33T). > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?22-Transmission-Adapter-Transf ercase-Discussion&s=3c3d2902fd4a4ad512d6e24f95d96639 > # > > # > http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?8034-Transmission-options-for-SA E-4 > # > > # > http://www.phxgrp.com/transChrysler.htm > # > > # > http://www.phxgrp.com/transmission.htm > # > > # > > # > > # > john ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:01:59 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 360 --> 4.2 I found a local shop willing to do the swap on my Spirit. They regularly do XJ harness/4.0L swaps in YJ Wranglers. Probably going to have them do Black Jack unless I get time myself. Thinking about the Honcho later, but it's staying V8. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com Subject: fsj: Re: 360 --> 4.2 Benefit of the 4.0 is a lighter block, better flow and fuel injection. Problem is the computers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:12:34 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage Not that I can tell from the spreadsheet. - ------Original Message------ From: Jim Blair Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net To: john Meister To: FSJ ReplyTo: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage Sent: Dec 15, 2010 07:29 Was the 13.65 before or after I adjusted the carb? When I tore mine apart in your yard to adjust it, I had been getting 10 mpg and it went up to 19 after and slowly dropped again as the 727 transmission died. (I barely made it out of your driveway a week later because it was slipping so bad in first I had to put it in low gear to get up the hil, and could only do that if I shut the truck off first as the first/reverse clutches were fried together by the previous owner) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:05:15 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage > > just found my notes from superdawg, 4.2L with T-5, 235s and 3.31 gears: > average fuel economy over 8,821.8 miles was 13.65 mpg > > best ever mileage was 18.65 mpg > > my records for my '81 were all on paper, but the best mileage ever > was 13.74 something, average was in the 11-12 mpg range. > > > my best XJ average was the '87 4.0 with 3" of lift and 31s, got around 17 in town, > 21 on the highway... > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:40:09 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage my best mileage was when I took it around the Olympic peninsula... mostly sea level all the way around... On 12/15/2010 8:30 AM, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote: > I was pretty amazed with the highway mileage when I drove the J10 4.2 from Wichita to Austin. I had a hard time putting gas in it, and came to the realization that the tank was perpetually full. No hard numbers, but I was impressed for a heavy underpowered carbureted brick running thru a transfer case. That experience is with the Carter 2bbl and no emissions controls to speak of. > > - Landon > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Blair > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:29 AM > To: john Meister; local Jeep list > Subject: RE: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage > > Was the 13.65 before or after I adjusted the carb? When I tore mine apart in your yard to adjust it, I had been getting 10 mpg and it went up to 19 after and slowly dropped again as the 727 transmission died. (I barely made it out of your driveway a week later because it was slipping so bad in first I had to put it in low gear to get up the hil, and could only do that if I shut the truck off first as the first/reverse clutches were fried together by the previous owner) > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:05:15 -0800 >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com >> To: >> Subject: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage >> >> just found my notes from superdawg, 4.2L with T-5, 235s and 3.31 gears: >> average fuel economy over 8,821.8 miles was 13.65 mpg >> >> best ever mileage was 18.65 mpg >> >> my records for my '81 were all on paper, but the best mileage ever was >> 13.74 something, average was in the 11-12 mpg range. >> >> >> my best XJ average was the '87 4.0 with 3" of lift and 31s, got around >> 17 in > town, >> 21 on the highway... >> >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:27:45 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 Why not do a 304 if you're not going EFI? I got almost 20 mpg with mine in my J4000. Had plenty of power too. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > > thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. > > what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? > > > I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr case, and I > think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of course I just > recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:40:44 +0000 From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com Subject: Re: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 A 304 would be fine, where would I find one? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Blair Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:27:45 To: ; Cc: xj Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 Why not do a 304 if you're not going EFI? I got almost 20 mpg with mine in my J4000. Had plenty of power too. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > > thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. > > what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? > > > I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr case, and I > think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of course I just > recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:03:03 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 Can the offenhauser dual port 4bbl intake be put on a 4.0 head??? There's one for sale here with matching headers (for a CJ) it's very clean. - - Landon /////// On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > You could put a 4.0L in, temporarily convert it to carb and switch > to EFI > later. I'm looking for a Grand Cherokee 4.0L flexplate to put in my > Eagle so > the swap will be less painful $$ wise later. I think I still have a > 999 case > from a '99 Wrangler that I can match the CPS hole on the 727 with. > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > >> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:11:07 -0800 >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com >> To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com >> CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net >> Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 >> >> so all I'd need is a 4.2 with a flex plate and it would >> drop right on the existing frame mounts? >> >> sounds like a reasonable solution to an economical end. >> >> >> >> ----- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jim Blair wrote: >> >> # >> # Exhaust up to the cat. Mounts on both the frame AND the motor >> (4.0L ones > are different) I have a brand new TH400 flexplate someplace, but > I'm looking > for the 304 one for 727. I just have to knock the weight off it for > the 6 > cyl. >> # >> # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 >> # >> # >> # >> # >> # > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0800 >> # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com >> # > To: fsj-at-digest.net >> # > CC: xj-at-digest.net >> # > Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 >> # > >> # > thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. >> # > >> # > what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? >> # > >> # > >> # > I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr >> case, and > I >> # > think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of >> course I > just >> # > recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) >> # > >> # > john >> # > >> # > >> # > >> # > ----- >> # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, >> they mold >> # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, >> para bellum >> # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http:// >> fotomeister.us >> # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:16:39 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 It can be done but you may have to make minor mounting adjustments. > CC: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > From: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:03:03 -0600 > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > > Can the offenhauser dual port 4bbl intake be put on a 4.0 head??? > > There's one for sale here with matching headers (for a CJ) it's very > clean. > > - Landon > /////// > On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > > > You could put a 4.0L in, temporarily convert it to carb and switch > > to EFI > > later. I'm looking for a Grand Cherokee 4.0L flexplate to put in my > > Eagle so > > the swap will be less painful $$ wise later. I think I still have a > > 999 case > > from a '99 Wrangler that I can match the CPS hole on the 727 with. > > > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:11:07 -0800 > >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com > >> To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > >> CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > >> Subject: RE: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > >> > >> so all I'd need is a 4.2 with a flex plate and it would > >> drop right on the existing frame mounts? > >> > >> sounds like a reasonable solution to an economical end. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --- > >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --- > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jim Blair wrote: > >> > >> # > >> # Exhaust up to the cat. Mounts on both the frame AND the motor > >> (4.0L ones > > are different) I have a brand new TH400 flexplate someplace, but > > I'm looking > > for the 304 one for 727. I just have to knock the weight off it for > > the 6 > > cyl. > >> # > >> # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > >> # > >> # > >> # > >> # > >> # > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0800 > >> # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > >> # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > >> # > CC: xj-at-digest.net > >> # > Subject: fsj: 360 --> 4.2 > >> # > > >> # > thinking of replacing the 360 in the '83 cherokee with a 4.2. > >> # > > >> # > what's involved? motor mounts, flex plate for the 727??? > >> # > > >> # > > >> # > I still have that custom adapter to mate the AW4 to an SJ xfr > >> case, and > > I > >> # > think I have an AW4... so maybe I should look at a 4.0... of > >> course I > > just > >> # > recycled all of my xj wiring harnesses... :) > >> # > > >> # > john > >> # > > >> # > > >> # > > >> # > ----- > >> # > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > >> # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > >> they mold > >> # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, > >> para bellum > >> # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http:// > >> fotomeister.us > >> # > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > >> # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:23:11 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage Comparing different body styles, the FSJs are really shapped like a brick, while the XJs had a better flowing body design. Smoothing the air flow around the grille and adding underbody panel could help reduce the drag such as panels screwed in front the engine. The wheel wells are a marvel of turbulent flow, check the other vehicles while driving in the rain, while not being the driver of course. Some of the hypermiler have incredible body mods. http://www.aerocivic.com/ cheers Michel > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:05:15 -0800 > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > To: > > Subject: fsj: 4.2 in a J10 - mileage > > > > just found my notes from superdawg, 4.2L with T-5, 235s and 3.31 gears: > > average fuel economy over 8,821.8 miles was 13.65 mpg > > > > best ever mileage was 18.65 mpg > > > > my records for my '81 were all on paper, but the best mileage ever > > was 13.74 something, average was in the 11-12 mpg range. > > > > > > my best XJ average was the '87 4.0 with 3" of lift and 31s, got around 17 in > town, > > 21 on the highway... > > > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3663 **************************