From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jan 1 19:43:46 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, January 2 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3673 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: totally OT RE: fsj: totally OT RE: fsj: totally OT RE: fsj: totally OT Re: fsj: spider spikes question Re: fsj: totally OT FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:15:03 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. Persons who read the list via email are automatically members, but readers of the FTP archive are not, and need to contact me (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) and get your name added to the list of "permitted senders". b) has your email address changed? some of you have had changes in your email address. your old address still works, and is still on the list, but your From: line shows a new address. this can happen for various reasons; you may have changed jobs or ISPs, and left a forward in place, or your IT staff may have fiddled with the email system. you will need to unsubscribe your old email address and subscribe the new one. this may require my involvement, if you can't figure out a way to get your old address off the list using the conventional majordomo commands. you can use the majordomo "which" command to probe for old addresses. send a message to majordomo-at-digest.net with one or more which commands in the body, one per line. to check for potential addresses for Fred Flinstone, formerly of bedrock.org, the following commands can be sent: which flintstone which bedrock note that the matches above might return any of the following addresses, if they appear in the list (in other words, you can use vagueness and incompleteness in your recollection as a tool): Fred.Flinstone-at-bedrock.org fflinstone-at-wilma.bedrock.org flintstonef-at-bedrock.com c) do you have more than one email address? if so, only the subscribed addresses can post, unless you contact me (see 1.a) above for relevant information) d) are you using (intentionally or accidentially) special "features" of your mail client? [this section is no longer operative, as the demime software now strips html, attachments, rich text format, etc. from postings automatically.] e) are your posts too large? there is a 10,000 character limit on posting sizes; this is done for various reasons. you can always split up large postings to get mail through. f) are you including majordomo commands at the start of your message? administrivia control is turned on; this is a trap for things like "unsubscribe" at the start of a message. try to avoid obvious majordomo commands in the subject and the first 10 lines, or misspell them in obvious ways (e.g. unzubscribe, 1ndex, h3lp, g3t, etc.) g) are you triggering spam traps? some things are red flags; for example, many phrases found commonly in spam are automatically blocked. h) are you using "funky" character sets? [7 bit restriction lifted experimentally on 8/2/00 -- film at 11] unfortunately, there are "issues" if i permit any character set other than old fashioned 7 level ASCII; therefore, you need to avoid national character sets that include various accents, umlauts, national currency characters such as the British pound symbol, etc. i) are you unintentionally including complete digests in your reply? You need to check and make sure you cut down replys to the minimal size; digests are between 20,000 and 25,000 characters in length, and if you include a complete digest in your reply, it clearly won't make the 10,000 character limit. By the way, this feature is intentional. j) Are you using a "bad" ISP or mail relay? See http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html for more information about Digest.Net policies about email. k) Is the error message you get back "User Unknown"? If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:49:50 -0800 (PST) From: JeepNut Subject: fsj: totally OT This group of folks is so great. Just how great it is to be involved in this and several other Jeep lists was really realized this last couple of weeks. I've had a need to visit a Buick forum due to my wife's acquisition of her Mom's car. Has a heat issue and I tried to get some help there. Didn't get much response. One guy told me he'd done the fix before, but recommended I purchase an Alldata subscription to help me fix it. Wondering if he works for Alldata too, maybe a stock holder? Browsing the forum there I see that mantra repeated ad nauseum. Not at all like here where a dozen guys will chime in all willing to relate personal experience and how-to's to get things fixed. And CERTAINLY no online page of manuals to download. I asked a followup question that was flagged as spam ?? I even PM'd a moderator as the spam message link suggested and no joy there getting the question posted. weird. Here's what I asked on there: I found a set of Buick OEM Factory Service Manuals for this thing. $50 / 3 volumes, in very good condition that I can purchase. Alldata subscription is around $20 a year every year for as long as I need them. Seems an easy choice to me, $50once or $20 x 5-10 years? But Alldata seems to be very commonly touted on the forum. Is there some specific advantage to Alldata over the actual GM FSMs? I'd need a compelling reason to spend so much more for an online subscription. Any opinions from the group? JeepNut - ---------------------------------------------------------- '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, an heirloom. Passed to one of the grandkids in 2009 -at- 270K miles.... '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. '88 Grand Wagoneer - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:39:03 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: totally OT While alldata is certainly thorough, I've found other mechanic's experience and photos to be best. The nice thing about alldata is you aren't restricted to the one kind of vehicle. As for the heat issue, it's generally pretty simple to troubleshoot until they get all computerized. Make sure you have flow through the core. Check both hoses for heat ( if one is cold, there is either a blockage or the valve isn't opening or the thermostat is jammed open.) Check to see if all the vacuum motors move when you move the controls (broken vacuum lines tend to be noisy)8! If the hoses are hot > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:49:50 -0800 > From: thejeepnut-at-yahoo.com > Subject: fsj: totally OT > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > This group of folks is so great. Just how great it is to be involved in this > and several other Jeep lists was really realized this last couple of weeks. > > I've had a need to visit a Buick forum due to my wife's acquisition of her > Mom's car. Has a heat issue and I tried to get some help there. > Didn't get much response. One guy told me he'd done the fix before, but > recommended I purchase an Alldata subscription to help me fix it. Wondering > if he works for Alldata too, maybe a stock holder? > Browsing the forum there I see that mantra repeated ad nauseum. > Not at all like here where a dozen guys will chime in all willing to relate > personal experience and how-to's to get things fixed. > And CERTAINLY no online page of manuals to download. > > I asked a followup question that was flagged as spam ?? I even PM'd a > moderator as the spam message link suggested and no joy there getting the > question posted. weird. Here's what I asked on there: > > I found a set of Buick OEM Factory Service Manuals for this thing. $50 / 3 > volumes, in very good condition that I can purchase. > Alldata subscription is around $20 a year every year for as long as I need > them. > Seems an easy choice to me, $50once or $20 x 5-10 years? But Alldata seems to > be very commonly touted on the forum. > Is there some specific advantage to Alldata over the actual GM FSMs? > I'd need a compelling reason to spend so much more for an online > subscription. > > Any opinions from the group? > > JeepNut > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, an heirloom. Passed to one of > > the grandkids in 2009 -at- 270K miles.... > > '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. > > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > > '88 Grand Wagoneer > > - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, > > TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- > > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, > > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 > > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: JeepNut Subject: RE: fsj: totally OT Oh this thing is a regular uberfancy machine (read unnecessarily complicated to fix). To me at least - lol Has this ridiculous pass side gets one temp/driver gets another temp stuff in it. You've GOT to be kidding....TOTALLY not necessary IMHO. But then neither is a light that says the door is ajar. If you're dumb enough to fall out the door of a moving vehicle, it may be mother nature trying to cleanse the gene pool. No offense to anyone who's ever fallen out of a moving vehicle. Actually one of my grandkids did almost fall out of his mom's car. There's the value of an idiot light. Aptly named in her case. ANYway the passenger side of the Buick blows cold all the time, drivers side works fine. Understand that this is controlled by separate electrical motors that are mounted to the plenum. I've been trying desperately to figure how how in the heck you are supposed to access the things. The passenger one is supposed to be on top of the plenum behind the glove box, blah blah but I can't get my hand in there to even feel the thing, much less take it off and replace it. Lots of Buick guys talk about having had to replace the things. But there is precious little useful info about HOW they accomplished. I can get it out. But she won't like me leaving out bunches of unnecessary covers and junk that I might leave out of the dash when I put it back together. LOL I mean, I LIKE Willy's Jeeps. Spartan, functional, workhorses, easy to work on... sorry- I keep ranting... So the Alldata thing is not just a certain model/year of Buick for $20? But is it better than a FSM? Not a big advantage for me. I try to stay clear of GMs. Never liked 'em. I think the wifey got this one just to tick me off. 3 Jeeps in the driveway and she has to come home with this orphan. JeepNut - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 - --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Jim Blair wrote: From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: totally OT To: thejeepnut-at-yahoo.com, fsj-at-digest.net Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 8:39 PM While alldata is certainly thorough, I've found other mechanic's experience and photos to be best. The nice thing about alldata is you aren't restricted to the one kind of vehicle. As for the heat issue, it's generally pretty simple to troubleshoot until they get all computerized. Make sure you have flow through the core. Check both hoses for heat ( if one is cold, there is either a blockage or the valve isn't opening or the thermostat is jammed open.) Check to see if all the vacuum motors move when you move the controls (broken vacuum lines tend to be noisy)8! If the hoses are hot > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:49:50 -0800 > From: thejeepnut-at-yahoo.com > Subject: fsj: totally OT > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > This group of folks is so great. Just how great it is to be involved in this > and several other Jeep lists was really realized this last couple of weeks. > > I've had a need to visit a Buick forum due to my wife's acquisition of her > Mom's car. Has a heat issue and I tried to get some help there. > Didn't get much response. One guy told me he'd done the fix before, but > recommended I purchase an Alldata subscription to help me fix it. Wondering > if he works for Alldata too, maybe a stock holder? > Browsing the forum there I see that mantra repeated ad nauseum. > Not at all like here where a dozen guys will chime in all willing to relate > personal experience and how-to's to get things fixed. > And CERTAINLY no online page of manuals to download. > > I asked a followup question that was flagged as spam ?? I even PM'd a > moderator as the spam message link suggested and no joy there getting the > question posted. weird. Here's what I asked on there: > > I found a set of Buick OEM Factory Service Manuals for this thing. $50 / 3 > volumes, in very good condition that I can purchase. > Alldata subscription is around $20 a year every year for as long as I need > them. > Seems an easy choice to me, $50once or $20 x 5-10 years? But Alldata seems to > be very commonly touted on the forum. > Is there some specific advantage to Alldata over the actual GM FSMs? > I'd need a compelling reason to spend so much more for an online > subscription. > > Any opinions from the group? > > JeepNut > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, an heirloom. Passed to one of > > the grandkids in 2009 -at- 270K miles.... > > '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. > > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > > '88 Grand Wagoneer > > - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, > > TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- > > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, > > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 > > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:19:10 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: totally OT PS: I wrote my reply while I was waiting for my baconmaster burger to come (ain't technology great?) > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:49:50 -0800 > From: thejeepnut-at-yahoo.com > Subject: fsj: totally OT > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > This group of folks is so great. Just how great it is to be involved in this > and several other Jeep lists was really realized this last couple of weeks. > > I've had a need to visit a Buick forum due to my wife's acquisition of her > Mom's car. Has a heat issue and I tried to get some help there. > Didn't get much response. One guy told me he'd done the fix before, but > recommended I purchase an Alldata subscription to help me fix it. Wondering > if he works for Alldata too, maybe a stock holder? > Browsing the forum there I see that mantra repeated ad nauseum. > Not at all like here where a dozen guys will chime in all willing to relate > personal experience and how-to's to get things fixed. > And CERTAINLY no online page of manuals to download. > > I asked a followup question that was flagged as spam ?? I even PM'd a > moderator as the spam message link suggested and no joy there getting the > question posted. weird. Here's what I asked on there: > > I found a set of Buick OEM Factory Service Manuals for this thing. $50 / 3 > volumes, in very good condition that I can purchase. > Alldata subscription is around $20 a year every year for as long as I need > them. > Seems an easy choice to me, $50once or $20 x 5-10 years? But Alldata seems to > be very commonly touted on the forum. > Is there some specific advantage to Alldata over the actual GM FSMs? > I'd need a compelling reason to spend so much more for an online > subscription. > > Any opinions from the group? > > JeepNut > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, an heirloom. Passed to one of > > the grandkids in 2009 -at- 270K miles.... > > '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. > > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > > '88 Grand Wagoneer > > - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, > > TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- > > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, > > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 > > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: spider spikes question Had never seen these. Those are pretty cool! I'd still like to have a set of Mattracks. Wow. I have SOOO many more wants than I have money...lol JeepNut - ---------------------------------------------------------- '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, an heirloom. Passed to one of the grandkids in 2009 -at- 270K miles.... '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. '88 Grand Wagoneer - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 - --- On Fri, 12/31/10, john wrote: From: john Subject: fsj: spider spikes question To: Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 2:19 PM trying to mount my spider spikes, they came without all the hardware, have the compression nuts for the lug nuts but the bolts are a bit too short to secure the plate. I picked up some longer ones and some nylon bushings to hold the plate out... QUESTION, should the plate actually touch the rim or is it ok for that locking plate to stand off of the rim? I am using 5 bolts/5 lug nuts. thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 19:28:34 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: totally OT the alldata is ok, but a good shop manual is fine too. the alldata info is kept up to date, suppose that's an advantage. I've got a friend with a shop that let's be check info on his alldata... wasn't much different than my bentley for my vw. $20 a year, is that unlimited use and all vehicles? if so, that's a good deal... john On 1/1/2011 5:49 PM, JeepNut wrote: > This group of folks is so great. Just how great it is to be involved in this > and several other Jeep lists was really realized this last couple of weeks. > > I've had a need to visit a Buick forum due to my wife's acquisition of her > Mom's car. Has a heat issue and I tried to get some help there. > Didn't get much response. One guy told me he'd done the fix before, but > recommended I purchase an Alldata subscription to help me fix it. Wondering > if he works for Alldata too, maybe a stock holder? > Browsing the forum there I see that mantra repeated ad nauseum. > Not at all like here where a dozen guys will chime in all willing to relate > personal experience and how-to's to get things fixed. > And CERTAINLY no online page of manuals to download. > > I asked a followup question that was flagged as spam ?? I even PM'd a > moderator as the spam message link suggested and no joy there getting the > question posted. weird. Here's what I asked on there: > > I found a set of Buick OEM Factory Service Manuals for this thing. $50 / 3 > volumes, in very good condition that I can purchase. > Alldata subscription is around $20 a year every year for as long as I need > them. > Seems an easy choice to me, $50once or $20 x 5-10 years? But Alldata seems to > be very commonly touted on the forum. > Is there some specific advantage to Alldata over the actual GM FSMs? > I'd need a compelling reason to spend so much more for an online > subscription. > > Any opinions from the group? > > JeepNut > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > '92 Cherokee Laredo, bought new, an heirloom. Passed to one of > > the grandkids in 2009 -at- 270K miles.... > > '04 Grand Cherokee Laredo. Bone stock. It's hers. > > '87 Street Comanche #24/100. In storage. > > '88 Grand Wagoneer > > - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, > > TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- > > B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, > > ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 > > 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Registered Linux user #287453 > - -- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3673 **************************