From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Aug 6 23:20:11 1999 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, August 7 1999 Volume 01 : Number 512 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: j 10 fsj: 77 Wagoneer 4 sale Re: fsj: j 10 Re: fsj: QT? Re: fsj: QT? fsj: J10 questions... :) Re: fsj: QT? Re: fsj: QT? Re: fsj: J10 questions... :) Re: fsj: QT? Re: fsj: J10 questions... :) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:53:32 EDT From: GuyJeepin-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: j 10 WOW, What a find short bed and a t-18 4 speed. I've been wanting one of those. Everything '74 up but 3/4 tons should be should be 6 lug if your search continues. Good luck. Dave, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:01:08 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: 77 Wagoneer 4 sale I'm going down to look at a 76 J10 tomorrow morning. I may be looking to sell my 77 Wagoneer quickly. I'll decide on how quickly after looking at the J10. :) Y'all seen the pictures of my 77, when I had it running the engine sounded good, tranny shifted fine, don't know much else about the mechanicals until I get the carb adapter on it. If I can work it out I may try to get the 76 J10 and move the 77 Wagoneer grille onto it... :) I doubt the aux fuel tank would work, any ideas on that? I might also put the NEW Holley carb on the 77 Wagoneer so I can keep my new Edelbrock... Either way, the Wagoneer will have a new carb. I haven't decided if I'm gonna keep the leather power seats for the J10 or not... guess that depends on the price. Jim, if you've still got that 77 frame I will definetly haul that off... that way I can make a short wheelbase (109" vs. 119") narrow track 76 J10... Man, I need to keep both rigs here to build my bobbed J10... Need a grand... Hey, wait... I may have it... just remembered something... yeehaw... Will keep you posted... I'm not expecting much of this J10 so I won't be terribly disappointed. I'm sitting here with a stack of FSJ manuals and books sifting through J10 data... looks like the 80 Honcho is ugly, I want an 81 to 84 J10 stepside in reality... :) Prefer one with the 258, AT and NP219 or NP229 (if they came that way)... If anyone is in the bay area and interested in an 80 J10 Honcho, I've got some pictures coming... after I look at 'em I'll scan 'em if I don't want it and post it. The guy is asking $2,900 for it. I'm starting to think along the lines of Ouray... Not sure if I'll put a camper on my J10, if I get one... the 76 has a canopy now... no idea what kind of shape this thing is in... the guy has provided a seemingly honest evaluation... but it's so hard to tell... Well, time to crash, I'm tired... (early yet, it's only about 10pm... :) You know... I could make a wide trac Wagoneer, and a narrow track J10 with a bobbed box... hmmm... can't find the time to chase down a carb adapter, yet willing to swap axles on two rigs... something doesn't add up here... Guess I'm just FSJ dreaming again.... but hey, doing the mental work on the designs is just as much fun and keeps my knuckles from getting any more scarred up... :) later, john - ---------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Real FREEDOM comes through knowing Jesus http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE/ - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:27:25 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: j 10 At 12:53 AM 8/7/99 EDT, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com wrote: >WOW, >>What a find short bed and a t-18 4 speed. I've been wanting one of those. >Everything '74 up but 3/4 tons should be should be 6 lug if your search >continues. Good luck. >>Dave, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com the problem is no one is biting on the guy's ad... of course it's not running and it is 6 lug... the other person looking for a J10 around here is trying to find one with a heavy duty floating type axle... For me, I don't care. I want the short wheel base rig and won't haul much in it... I may tow my trailer behind it with the load... :) I'm sitting here going through the Std Cat of 4x4's writing down specs... If I don't jump on this 76, I'll be looking long and hard for an 81 to 84 short wheelbase, 258, AT, NP219 or NP229... :) looking at the book, the 80 honcho has an NP219... but a butt ugly grille... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Subject: Re: fsj: QT? I went out and got the new JP Mag. and believe it or not it is mentioned in a couple of places in this issue!!! - --- john wrote: > > QT was on the 1973 Jeep Model, most likely Fall of > 72. > They went to disc brakes in the 1974 Model year. > > john > > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian wrote: > > >-->is that model yr 73? > >--> > >-->This statement was in an article on the MSN > Carpoint > >-->web site: > >--> > >-->"Meantime, in 1974, Chevrolet introduced the > first > >-->full-time four-wheel-drive system in its pickup > >-->trucks." > >--> > >-->http://carpoint.msn.com/advice?article=400 > >--> > >-->--- john wrote: > >-->> > >-->> QT was introduced in 1973. > >-->> john > >--> > >-->> On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian wrote: > >-->>-->When was the QT introduced? was it before > 1974? > >--> > >-->=== > >-->Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) > >-->78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 > >-->97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 > >--> > >-->I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting > that you really believe what you just said > -William Buckley, Jr. > >--> > >-->The word bipartisan usually means some > larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. > -George Carlin > >-->_____________________________________________________________ > >-->Do You Yahoo!? > >-->Bid and sell for free at > http://auctions.yahoo.com > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, > Washington USA > don't leave life without jesus, > please... > http://wagoneers.com > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > === Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) 78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said -William Buckley, Jr. The word bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. -George Carlin _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:41:38 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: QT? At 10:34 PM 8/6/99 -0700, Brian wrote: >I went out and got the new JP Mag. and believe it or >not it is mentioned in a couple of places in this >issue!!! what's mentioned? >--- john wrote: >> >> QT was on the 1973 Jeep Model, most likely Fall of >> 72. >> They went to disc brakes in the 1974 Model year. >> >> john >> >> On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian wrote: >> >> >-->is that model yr 73? >> >--> >> >-->This statement was in an article on the MSN >> Carpoint >> >-->web site: >> >--> >> >-->"Meantime, in 1974, Chevrolet introduced the >> first >> >-->full-time four-wheel-drive system in its pickup >> >-->trucks." >> >--> >> >-->http://carpoint.msn.com/advice?article=400 >> >--> >> >-->--- john wrote: >> >-->> >> >-->> QT was introduced in 1973. >> >-->> john >> >--> >> >-->> On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian wrote: >> >-->>-->When was the QT introduced? was it before >> 1974? >> >--> >> >-->=== >> >-->Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) >> >-->78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 >> >-->97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 >> >--> >> >-->I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting >> that you really believe what you just said >> -William Buckley, Jr. >> >--> >> >-->The word bipartisan usually means some >> larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. >> -George Carlin >> >>-->_____________________________________________________________ >> >-->Do You Yahoo!? >> >-->Bid and sell for free at >> http://auctions.yahoo.com >> >--> >> >> ---- >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, >> Washington USA >> don't leave life without jesus, >> please... >> http://wagoneers.com >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> > >=== >Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) >78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 >97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 > >I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said -William Buckley, Jr. > >The word bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. -George Carlin >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:51:13 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: J10 questions... :) Ok, since this thing has a 4speed, I'm assuming it's the T-18, - -is that a good thing? Second, it probably has the Dana 20 (it could have the Quadratrac as an option to the 4speed...)... - -Where do the pumpkins live? - -Same as the quadratrac? - -When did the pumpkins show up on the driver's side? - -Would a stepside (sportside) bed from a later model fit on the 76? (of course with a welder and torch any thing is possible... rofl... ) I just checked the specs... the 77 Wagoneer has a turning radius of 38.4 feet, the 76 J10 has a turning radius of 40.6 feet. Forget the axle swap... 2.2 feet ain't a problem... :) For grins: 76 J10 40.6' (model 25) 77 Wag 38.4' 79 cher 39.4' (hmm... remember that concrete post Michael? :) 80 J10 40.6' (model 25) 80 j10 41.2' (honcho) 81 Wag 37.7' later, john ============================================================= The just shall live by Faith... Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... Le Juste vivra par la foi... Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 ============================================================= john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/LivingByFaith/ http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Subject: Re: fsj: QT? There are two different T-case articles. One is called "Jeep Transfer Case Encyclopedia. This one just has a small blurb about what the case is/was. The other article is called "inside the original Jeep Quadra-Trac". This is a tech article about rebuilding one. - --- john wrote: > At 10:34 PM 8/6/99 -0700, Brian wrote: > >I went out and got the new JP Mag. and believe it > or > >not it is mentioned in a couple of places in this > >issue!!! > > > what's mentioned? > > > >--- john wrote: > >> > >> QT was on the 1973 Jeep Model, most likely Fall > of > >> 72. > >> They went to disc brakes in the 1974 Model year. > >> > >> john > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian wrote: > >> > >> >-->is that model yr 73? > >> >--> > >> >-->This statement was in an article on the MSN > >> Carpoint > >> >-->web site: > >> >--> > >> >-->"Meantime, in 1974, Chevrolet introduced the > >> first > >> >-->full-time four-wheel-drive system in its > pickup > >> >-->trucks." > >> >--> > >> >-->http://carpoint.msn.com/advice?article=400 > >> >--> > >> >-->--- john wrote: > >> >-->> > >> >-->> QT was introduced in 1973. > >> >-->> john > >> >--> > >> >-->> On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian wrote: > >> >-->>-->When was the QT introduced? was it before > >> 1974? > >> >--> > >> >-->=== > >> >-->Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) > >> >-->78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 > >> >-->97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 > >> >--> > >> >-->I won't insult your intelligence by > suggesting > >> that you really believe what you just said > > >> -William Buckley, Jr. > >> >--> > >> >-->The word bipartisan usually means some > >> larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. > > >> -George Carlin > >> > >>-->_____________________________________________________________ > >> >-->Do You Yahoo!? > >> >-->Bid and sell for free at > >> http://auctions.yahoo.com > >> >--> > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, > >> Washington USA > >> don't leave life without jesus, > >> please... > >> http://wagoneers.com > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >=== > >Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) > >78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 > >97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 > > > >I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that > you really believe > what you just said -William > Buckley, Jr. > > > >The word bipartisan usually means some > larger-than-usual deception is > being carried out. -George > Carlin > >_____________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold... > - ----------------------------------------------------- > === Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) 78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said -William Buckley, Jr. The word bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. -George Carlin _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:59:51 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: QT? cool. I can't find that rag anywhere around here... could you send me a copy of the articles and a subscription form? thanx, john At 10:54 PM 8/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >There are two different T-case articles. One is called >"Jeep Transfer Case Encyclopedia. This one just has a >small blurb about what the case is/was. > >The other article is called "inside the original Jeep >Quadra-Trac". This is a tech article about rebuilding >one. > >--- john wrote: >> At 10:34 PM 8/6/99 -0700, Brian wrote: >> >I went out and got the new JP Mag. and believe it >> or >> >not it is mentioned in a couple of places in this >> >issue!!! >> >> >> what's mentioned? >> >> >> >--- john wrote: >> >> >> >> QT was on the 1973 Jeep Model, most likely Fall >> of >> >> 72. >> >> They went to disc brakes in the 1974 Model year. >> >> >> >> john >> >> >> >> On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian wrote: >> >> >> >> >-->is that model yr 73? >> >> >--> >> >> >-->This statement was in an article on the MSN >> >> Carpoint >> >> >-->web site: >> >> >--> >> >> >-->"Meantime, in 1974, Chevrolet introduced the >> >> first >> >> >-->full-time four-wheel-drive system in its >> pickup >> >> >-->trucks." >> >> >--> >> >> >-->http://carpoint.msn.com/advice?article=400 >> >> >--> >> >> >-->--- john wrote: >> >> >-->> >> >> >-->> QT was introduced in 1973. >> >> >-->> john >> >> >--> >> >> >-->> On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian wrote: >> >> >-->>-->When was the QT introduced? was it before >> >> 1974? >> >> >--> >> >> >-->=== >> >> >-->Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) >> >> >-->78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 >> >> >-->97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 >> >> >--> >> >> >-->I won't insult your intelligence by >> suggesting >> >> that you really believe what you just said >> >> >> -William Buckley, Jr. >> >> >--> >> >> >-->The word bipartisan usually means some >> >> larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. >> >> >> -George Carlin >> >> >> >>>-->_____________________________________________________________ >> >> >-->Do You Yahoo!? >> >> >-->Bid and sell for free at >> >> http://auctions.yahoo.com >> >> >--> >> >> >> >> ---- >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, >> >> Washington USA >> >> don't leave life without jesus, >> >> please... >> >> http://wagoneers.com >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >=== >> >Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) >> >78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 >> >97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 >> > >> >I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that >> you really believe >> what you just said -William >> Buckley, Jr. >> > >> >The word bipartisan usually means some >> larger-than-usual deception is >> being carried out. -George >> Carlin >> >>_____________________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >----------------------------------------------------- >> john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com >> ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they >> mold... >> >----------------------------------------------------- >> > >=== >Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) >78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 >97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 > >I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said -William Buckley, Jr. > >The word bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. -George Carlin >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Subject: Re: fsj: J10 questions... :) - --- john wrote: > Ok, since this thing has a 4speed, I'm assuming it's > the T-18, > -is that a good thing? There is also a tranny guide in the current JP issue. The neglected all J's and auto SJ's. according to this article. However... It lists the T18 72-79 in both SJ's > Second, it probably has the Dana 20 (it could have > the Quadratrac as > an option to the 4speed...)... The BWQT only came attached to the TH400. > -Where do the pumpkins live? Should be center rear for the D20 > -Same as the quadratrac? > -When did the pumpkins show up on the driver's side? I think it started with the NP cases in 80. > -Would a stepside (sportside) bed from a later model > fit on the 76? > (of course with a welder and torch any thing is > possible... rofl... ) I think the mounting was teh same on all of them. > I just checked the specs... > the 77 Wagoneer has a turning radius of 38.4 feet, > the 76 J10 has a turning radius of 40.6 feet. > Forget the axle swap... 2.2 feet ain't a problem... > :) > > For grins: > > 76 J10 40.6' (model 25) > 77 Wag 38.4' What about 78? > 79 cher 39.4' (hmm... remember that concrete post > Michael? :) > 80 J10 40.6' (model 25) > 80 j10 41.2' (honcho) > 81 Wag 37.7' === Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) 78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said -William Buckley, Jr. The word bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. -George Carlin _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Subject: Re: fsj: QT? - --- john wrote: > cool. I can't find that rag anywhere around here... I have only been able to find it at Books-A-Million 30mi away. > could you send me a copy of the articles and a > subscription form? Sure, but you can subscribe on their website or by calling 800-678-8012. Either way would probably be quicker than waiting for me to get it mailed to you and then you mailing it in. If you still want the form let me know. === Brian ( http://go.to/graywolf ) 78 J-10 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird 4.6 V8 I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said -William Buckley, Jr. The word bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. -George Carlin _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 23:20:29 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: J10 questions... :) At 11:13 PM 8/6/99 -0700, Brian wrote: >> Second, it probably has the Dana 20 (it could have >> the Quadratrac as >> an option to the 4speed...)... > >The BWQT only came attached to the TH400. agreed... the info in the std cat of 4x4's wasn't clear... but my 76 shop manual straightened me right out. :) >>> -Where do the pumpkins live? > >Should be center rear for the D20 >>> -Same as the quadratrac? >> -When did the pumpkins show up on the driver's side? > >I think it started with the NP cases in 80. > >> -Would a stepside (sportside) bed from a later model >> fit on the 76? >> (of course with a welder and torch any thing is >> possible... rofl... ) >>I think the mounting was teh same on all of them. I've got the frame diagrams laid out on my scanner, looking at the wagoneer and J10 frames... very close... will check 81 later. Wondering when they changed the frames around and why my brush guard was like 3 or 4 inches wider than my 81 frame... :) > >> I just checked the specs... >> the 77 Wagoneer has a turning radius of 38.4 feet, >> the 76 J10 has a turning radius of 40.6 feet. >> Forget the axle swap... 2.2 feet ain't a problem... >> :) >> >> For grins: >> >> 76 J10 40.6' (model 25) >> 77 Wag 38.4' > >What about 78? probably the same as the 76/77... things didn't change until 80 with the change to the NP style xfr cases... > >> 79 cher 39.4' (hmm... remember that concrete post >> Michael? :) >> 80 J10 40.6' (model 25) >> 80 j10 41.2' (honcho) >> 81 Wag 37.7' > >=== - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! 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