From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Aug 22 14:14:30 1999 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, August 22 1999 Volume 01 : Number 529 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: FS: 360 heads Re: fsj: 700r4 to ? fsj: Re: 401 Headers fsj: 360 heads fsj: some info fsj: Re: xj: FS: BFG 33 x 9.5 M/T tires fsj: '74 Chero in the junkyard Re: fsj: Re: xj: FS: BFG 33 x 9.5 M/T tires Re: fsj: '74 Chero in the junkyard fsj: Re: Re: xj: FS: BFG 33 x 9.5 M/T tires fsj: Tires to fit an XJ FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: FS: 360 heads A: If you can find some '71 pistons, that will give you all the compression ratio you need! They are 10.5 to 1, and later 401s are already 9.25 to 1. Personally, next motor I build (probably for my Eagle) I will have about 11:1 compression, and I will be running propane (much cheaper around here, and I can fuel up in Canada at $1 a gallon) Chuck wrote: I'm also thinking of having my heads milled (360 or 401, whichever engine I decide to go with) to get my compression up from 8.25 to 9.0 to 1. =A0 Any do's and don'ts you folks have experienced. I live at 6000 ft. altitude and typically do my 4-wheeling between 9000 - 11000 feet elevation so restoring compression lost due to altitude is a big deal. If I have to use high test at sea level (which my jeep has never seen) it isn't a problem. I would like to continue burning our 85 octane regular in Colorado due to cost.... Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfal= se ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:19:31 -0400 From: Raymond C Drouillard Subject: Re: fsj: 700r4 to ? I just saw a partially disassembled double-cardon yesterday. I only looked at it briefly, but here's the scoop: The double-cardon consists of an end assembly (splined for the output shaft of the t-case) connect to the center assembly using a cardon cross u-joint. Another cardon-cross u-joint is used to connect the center assembly to the driveshaft. On the end assembly (and presumablly the driveshaft), right at the axis of rotation, there is a ball sitting in a socket. There is a hole drilled through a ball. Esentially, it's a Heim joint. There is a rod going through the hole in the ball to a hole in the ball on the driveshaft assembly. The cardon crosses have holes in them to accomidate this. This appears to keep the axis of rotation of the end assembly and driveshaft aligned, and splits the angle so that each of the two cardon crosses is at the same angle. I really need to look at this thing again. Maybe I ought to take some pictures. Ray Drouillard On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:27:33 -0400 Raymond C Drouillard writes: >>>> I saw a lincoln with a double-cardon on both ends of the >driveshaft. >>Would I have to do anything special to get away with doing that >myself? >><< >> >>I would not think that is possible unless the driveline length was fixed >>(no slip-joint) and the axle mounted solid (no suspension)? Seems like as >>soon as the driveshaft started to turn, the thing would flail all over the >>place because the splines in the slip joint would let it extend. The >>whole driveshaft would then rotate off-center of a line between the the >>output and the pinion yokes? > >There was some kind of a retainer going from the driveshaft to the >double-cardon. I figure that that keeps it from flopping. > >Certainly, with no retainer, the driveshaft would simply drop down. >Come to think of it, that would happen to a double-cardon on one end. > >The retainers obviously stop that in the Lincold. I think that there >is some kind of a pinion that keeps the driveshaft center in line with >the centerline of the output shaft. I never had one apart, though. > >Ray ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:57:11 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 401 Headers At 07:31 PM 8/21/99 -0600, JC Jones wrote: >John, > Do you know of anyone who makes header for an AMC 401 in a Wagoneer? >JC Jones :) don't have a clue... someone on the list might now, or Michael... have you contacted Summit Racing or JEGS to see what they have? john > > > ____________ <| > __|____________|___________/\_ > //------------||------||------\\ > // || || \\ > //______________||______||________\\_____________ > | JC Jones \ > | jcjones-at-goldencomputerservice.com | | > | ________ ICQ# 2857320 ________ | | > _| / ______ \ / ______ \ |_| > [_____/ / __ \ \____________________/ / __ \ \____] > | / \ | 76 Wagoneer 401 | / \ | > | \__/ | "Road Warrior" | \__/ | > \______/ \______/ > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 02:06:04 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: 360 heads "Chuck Scappaticci" writes: >> I'm also thinking of having my heads milled (360 or 401, whichever engine I decide to go with) to get my compression up from 8.25 to 9.0 to = 1. Any do's and don'ts you folks have experienced. I live at 6000 ft. altitude and typically do my 4-wheeling between 9000 - 11000 feet elevati= on so restoring compression lost due to altitude is a big deal. << Chuck, I don't believe you'll have any trouble going to 9 to 1 with the small AMC chambers. But if you go any further, you will need to check the= piston to valve clearance. It's not tough to do but, you will need to modify a couple of old lifters by welding them-up solid or find some soli= d lifters for the procedure. Plus buy some clay or Playdo. -- Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 21-Aug-1999 = ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:33:16 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: some info 1976 selected data ========================================================= model 25 (partial) wagoneer j10 chero chief ========================================================= wheelbase 108.7 118.7 overall length 183.5 192.5 overall width 75.6 78.9 78.9 overall height 66.7 69.3 67.6 front tread 59.4 63.3 65.4 rear tread 57.8 63.8 62.3 turning dia. 37.7 40.6 39.4 j10 vs. wagoneer - 10 inches longer wheelbase - 9 inches overall longer - ONLY 3.3 inches wider - 3.9 inch wider front track (1.95 in/side!) - 6 inches wider rear track (3" more) - 2.9 feet wider turning radius... (a little less than the sidewalk... works for me... :) So, if I take the front end from my 77 wagoneer and put it on what may someday be my 76 J10, and I switch front fenders as well, shouldn't be a problem (or a 2" problem with the spring pads... :) So, if I leave the rear axle on both rigs (both are 3.54) I should have no problems that way, and will improve the turning radius and looks of the J10 with the wagoneer front end. :) ttyl, john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:10:25 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: FS: BFG 33 x 9.5 M/T tires here's what the look like on an xj with only 2" of lift... rofl... :) http://wagoneers.com/john/JEEP/TIRES/33x9s.html However... these tires would work great on my FSJ project... any idea what they'd cost to ship up to Seattle? I'm getting more serious with my FSJ project (I just bought Alan's 235 Michelins though... :( But 33x9.5 MT's are my desire for the FSJ... First thing would be to get 'em siped. :) I'm waiting to hear back from someone on some J10 parts... john At 11:58 PM 8/21/99 -0700, Karl Olsen wrote: >I have a set of four BFG 33 x 9.5 Mud-Terrains for sale (15" wheel >size). Just over 10K miles on the set, even wear, minimal tread >chunking, no sidewall damage. I'm asking $300 for all four. >>Located in Las Vegas, Nevada. >>-Karl >>mailto:olsenk-at-netzero.net > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:20:01 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: '74 Chero in the junkyard While browsing at the FSJ mall today I saw something that struck me as odd. Under the dash to the right of the steering column was what looked like a hood release lever (obviously wasn't though) that said "low range" on it. I thought Q-trac low range levers were under the seat. What gives? It had a fuel tank skid plate laying inside. It's the first stock one I've seen and it looks lighter than my homemade jobbie. Anybody know what the stock one weighs? C'mon, somebody must have that littel piece of trivia floating around in their head! It also had those cool pop out side windows. Too bad they won't go in the Wag. Ben Willams '71 Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj: FS: BFG 33 x 9.5 M/T tires If they are on rims, it's $25 each to ship UPS Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:44:30 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '74 Chero in the junkyard it's possible that it was a conversion from the original quadratrac that didn't have the low range... I forget which year they made the low range standard... it was an add-on unit... since it's a 74 that's probably what it is... :) john At 04:20 AM 8/22/99 EDT, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >While browsing at the FSJ mall today I saw something that struck me as odd. >Under the dash to the right of the steering column was what looked like a >hood release lever (obviously wasn't though) that said "low range" on it. I >thought Q-trac low range levers were under the seat. What gives? > >It had a fuel tank skid plate laying inside. It's the first stock one I've >seen and it looks lighter than my homemade jobbie. Anybody know what the >stock one weighs? C'mon, somebody must have that littel piece of trivia >floating around in their head! > >It also had those cool pop out side windows. Too bad they won't go in the >Wag. > >Ben Willams >'71 Wagoneer > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:24:46 -0600 From: "Chuck Scappaticci" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: xj: FS: BFG 33 x 9.5 M/T tires I've got the 33x9.50 ATs on my 88 GW with a 4" softride lift and I love them... - -----Original Message----- From: john To: xj-at-digest.net Cc: fsj-at-digest.net Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 1:08 AM Subject: fsj: Re: xj: FS: BFG 33 x 9.5 M/T tires > >here's what the look like on an xj with only 2" of lift... rofl... :) > http://wagoneers.com/john/JEEP/TIRES/33x9s.html > >However... these tires would work great on my FSJ project... any idea >what they'd cost to ship up to Seattle? I'm getting more serious with >my FSJ project (I just bought Alan's 235 Michelins though... :( But >33x9.5 MT's are my desire for the FSJ... First thing would be to >get 'em siped. :) I'm waiting to hear back from someone on some J10 >parts... > >john > >At 11:58 PM 8/21/99 -0700, Karl Olsen wrote: >>I have a set of four BFG 33 x 9.5 Mud-Terrains for sale (15" wheel >>size). Just over 10K miles on the set, even wear, minimal tread >>chunking, no sidewall damage. I'm asking $300 for all four. >>>Located in Las Vegas, Nevada. >>>-Karl >>>mailto:olsenk-at-netzero.net >> >----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >----------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:41:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Tires to fit an XJ I can't remember if I can post to the XJ list still or not, but here goes. I have 4 steel rims from my AMC Eagle with near new Mohawk p215-75R-15" tires on them for $200 or best offer. They will also fit XJ Cherokees. Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #529 *************************