From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Sep 18 16:21:09 1999 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, September 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 553 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: the Brazilian Jeepster fsj: Fuel Injection fsj: 112.5 inches... Re: fsj: Fuel Injection Re: fsj: Fuel Injection fsj: wagoneer FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:15:22 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: the Brazilian Jeepster Dan Starc called me today about a Jeep his friend has in South America. On page 108 and 109 is a picture of it. On page 110 the 1961 Jeepster was known as the Saci. Other than the captions by the pictures, no details... :( (Jeep, the 50 Year History) Dan, if your friend could get a picture to you I'd like to see it. It's very possible it is the same chassis as the VJ Jeepsters produced in the late 40's. Ackerson mentions that they had expected to produce 50,000 VJs, but only made about 10,4xx... In the pictures he says somethign about STevens making extensive use of inexpensive stampings for the South American version... Hope that helps. john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com 81 mercedes benz 300D (123) / 88 jeep wagoneer limited (xj) 77 Jeep Wagoneer (SJ) (for sale) http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/john/Vehicle-History.html http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:13:22 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Fuel Injection Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) writes: >> A: Holley makes a Pro-jection unit to fit, but there are a few others in the works that will be ready in a few months right Michael? << Yea...more like 2 years if I'm lucky :-). Really, I'd like to make the thing work with the OEM data 1st. on my stoc= k 360 by tuning the MAF and the fuel pressure. That's more of a long shot than using the Calibrator to tune the data, but a lot cheaper. I want the= Calibrator for the injection system once it sits atop my hybrid engine project. My plan is to simply provide a shopping list (a lot of which can come fro= m a junk yard '89-'93 V-8 Mustang donor) and a description of what I did to= make it work. The biggest hurdles will be the distributor, the VSS and machining an appropriate manifold for injector bosses. The distributor, f= or example, turns opposite the AMC V-8's which means a custom shutter for th= e hall effect pick-up. Luckily the shaft size is the same between the two...they're both Ford. The Ford ignition on the subject EEC-IV system i= s called TFI for Thick-Film Ignition. I'll probably have to provide some parts...which I'll do at cost. Like th= e TFI shutter, the injector fuel rails, the intake plumbing including the 9= 0 into the intake manifold, the EGR plumbing from somewhere to the EGR plat= e just behind the Ford throttle body, etc. On a limited bassis, I may be ab= le to help out with distributor grafting and machining an intake for injecto= r bosses. This injection system won't be easy or cheap to install. Requiring a pretty good knowledge of automotive systems and electrical/electronics. There are a lot of things to modify and systems to transplant. The wiring= harness will need to be reworked, then dressed-in, the fuel lines need to= be up-sized, an electric fuel pump added (the best place is inside the tank). Pretty much going to take the Ford system and retrofit it into my Chero. and then fool it into thinking it still lives in a Mustang. Emissions all hooked-up and functional. The goal is no error codes. I chose the Ford eventually because it is a pre OBD-II MAF sequential port system with an elaborate adaptive strategy (limp-home mode) and lots= of aftermarket support. When I'm 50 miles from nowhere and the computer dies, I want to be able to make it back to civilization. GM would be the obvious choice except they didn't go MAF and sequential until '96 which i= s post OBD-II. Trying to satisfy a pre OBD-II system will be a lot easier. For the newer members: Sequential port injection means each intake port has it's own injector and at low engine speeds/loading (cruise conditions= ), each injector squirts when the intake valve is open. It's the latest and greatest way to get fuel into the internal combustion engine. Probably so= on to be exceeded by direct injection where fuel is squirted directly into the combustion chamber. It takes a lot of pressure to do direct injection= . Around 2,000 PSI. My personal goal is 20 MPG hwy. from my SEFI hybrid AMC V-8 displacing 390 plus cu. in. Of course, I'm stacking the deck in my favor several ways starting with my 4L60E retrofit. Ending with longer than stock rods,= a full roller valve train and extensive use of anti-friction and thermal barrier coatings in the engine. The 4L60E is a GM 4 speed OD automatic wi= th a lock-up torque converter. Plus, 20 MPG is not too far away from my current 15 MPG with my 360 and a TH-400. I call it a hybrid because it is a 401 block with a NOS 390 crank and Buick 425 Nailhead rods. -- Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 15-Sep-1999 = ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:26:13 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: 112.5 inches... 112.5 inches... wheelbase 79 300SD 108.x inches... wheelbase 77 Wagoneer... hmm... 4 inches or so... 2 inches per end... let's see... 3 inch body lift, 3 inches of spring lift, 33x9.5's... should work pretty well... recase TH400 with Chevy case, rebuild Quadratrac, find 6.2L or 6.5L Diesel... voila... one each Full Size JBenz or would it be a Mercedes Jeep... or a Jeep Benz or a Benz Jeep either way, it'd be a Benz on a Jeep... :) The 300SD Turbo and trans would find their way into Fritz, to give him a bit more zip... I want to thank a friend in Oregon for finding me a cheap Benz to spark some dreams... ;) Who knows, the cheap Benz might even be worth saving, in which case I'll sell Fritz and the 77 Wagoneer and drive the 300SD and get the J10... all kinds of possibilities exist... But wouldn't it be cool to see a Diesel powered 4x4 300SD cruising down the road... full time four wheel drive... Diesel sounds at idle... sunroof... nice seats... ahhhh.... dreamin' again in Snohomish... better get outside and finish the project I just started... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:21:25 -0400 From: Raymond C Drouillard Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel Injection On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:10:54 -0400 "Bednarik, Nathan" writes: >hey Ray..... > >I would be very interested in your Pro-Jection file. I plan on doing this >in a month or so and I think it would be very helpful. >How does it do with smog? I appreciate it. > >Nate >San Diego, CA >1985 CJ-7/AMC 360 We haven't done the smog thing here in Michigan in about five years. We chased the smog nazis out :) Actually, the air simply got clean enough that it was deemed unnecessary. Holley Pro-Jection doesn't even pretend to be smog certified. I kept the EGR and have had no problems with it. The air injection system needs to be reworked or removed (I removed it). You absolutely can not inject air upstream of the O2 sensor. If I had kept the air pump, I would have plugged the manifold injectors and pumped all of the air into the catylitic converter. I never had it tested, but it's probablly cleaner than stock. Keeping the low compression (OK... so I had it bumped a bit) and EGR will keep the NOX down, and a good cat will keep the CO and HC down - especially if you pump air into the exhaust stream just before and/or at the converter. The trick will be to hide the four-barrel throttle body and associated sensors and wiring. Of course, the inspecters are used to seeing EFI equipment under the hood. Keeping everything else intact might just to the trick. Ray Drouillard ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:21:37 -0400 From: Raymond C Drouillard Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel Injection You already have it. I'll send it again, anyhow. For all I know, you might have lost it when your Unix system crashed ;-) I also have a pile of pictures. I could scan them at 1200 X 1200 DPI, 36 bit and send you .BMP files from our ISDN connection at work. Ray On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:44:37 -0700 john writes: >would love it, I'll put a page on my server about it... :) > >do you want your email included in it? >john > >At 01:24 AM 9/17/99 -0400, you wrote: >>I converted my GW to Holley Pro-Jection. It went from barely 10 to >14+ >>MGP, and is a lot stronger and better behaved. >> >>I wrote a lot of email about it as I was tuning it. I have the whole >>mass compiled into a single file if you want it. >> >>Ray >> >> >> >>On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:22:56 EDT Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com writes: >>> Does anyone know where I would begin to look for a fuel injection >>>system for >>>a 360 V-8. I'm considering changing over but I'm not sure where to >>>start> >>>Any help would be great. > >>> >>> Joe >>> >> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>Get the Internet just the way you want it. >>Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >>Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >> >------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! >Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial > email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. >-------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:57:01 EDT From: Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: wagoneer Here is a quick question for you guys> I'm currently eyeing up a 85-86?? Wagoneer, the problem is the engine is blown. I also am being told by the garage the it's a V-6. The question is can I put a V-8 in it????? ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #553 *************************