From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Sep 18 16:20:39 1999 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, September 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 554 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: 'New' '87 GW Re: fsj: 'New' '87 GW Re: fsj: wagoneer fsj: new V8 Holley Projection FI system on eBay Re: fsj: wagoneer Re: fsj: 'New' '87 GW fsj: Re: '77 Wagoneer and 300SDs and carbs Re: fsj: wagoneer fsj: FWD: Selling my '79 Wagoneer Re: fsj: Re: '77 Wagoneer and 300SDs and carbs Re: fsj: 300SD on an FSJ, Diesel of course... Re: fsj: 300SD on an FSJ, Diesel of course... Re: fsj: 300SD on an FSJ, Diesel of course... fsj: (no subject) Re: fsj: (no subject) fsj: Re: 112.5 inches... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:09:23 -0700 From: "Allan Weidenheimer" Subject: fsj: 'New' '87 GW Well, I was looking over the new GW the other night, it has those nasty 2.72 ratio axles. I guess that means it doesn't have the towing setup. My 84 brochure indicates the towing setup got the 3.31's (as I recall) and the non lockup transmission. This would also explain the poor acceleration, man, what a dog. I wish I could swap the 84 axles to it, but I suspect the front axle is bent. Today I plan to try and get the right front wheel off the '84. The rim bent when the tire popped, and then it continued turning until it bound on the caliper. I plan to put a chain through the slots, and hook it to my IHC pickup, then give it a good 'tug'. I hope my new caliper on there isn't ruined too. Allan Weidenheimer 87 GW 84 GW (wrecked) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 'New' '87 GW A: You can swap the gears from the '84 front axle to the '88, and just put the model 20 from the '84 in. (BTW, How much for the 2.72 rear axle?) I have a good '84 frontaxle with 3.31 from my Grand Wagoneer parts truck. I need 3.31 gears to put in my '83 housing (I hate the vacuum shift on the axle anyway, and I have locking hubs on mine) Want to switch horses midstream? Allan Weidenheimer wrote: Well, I was looking over the new GW the other night, it has those nasty 2.72 ratio axles. I guess that means it doesn't have the towing setup. My 84 brochure indicates the towing setup got the 3.31's (as I recall) and the non lockup transmission. This would also explain the poor acceleration, man, what a dog. I wish I could swap the 84 axles to it, but I suspect the front axle is bent. Today I plan to try and get the right front wheel off the '84. The rim bent when the tire popped, and then it continued turning until it bound on the caliper. I plan to put a chain through the slots, and hook it to my IHC pickup, then give it a good 'tug'. I hope my new caliper on there isn't ruined too. Allan Weidenheimer 87 GW 84 GW (wrecked) Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Stop the Chemtrails! My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:29:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: wagoneer A: Quick and dirty answer is yes, but it's fairly difficult. What kind of V8 do you want to put in? It won't attach to the tranny in it (only the early Buick aluminum block V8 will bolt up) and if it did, the tranny wouldn't last long unless you babied it. Same goes for the axles. A lot of them are running Model 15 axles, same as the Eagles, but with one piece axles. A better way to go would be with a late model S10 2.8 or Oldsmobile 3.1. There's another one, but I can't remember off the top of my head (I'm just getting started in the V6 category. I have to swap the intake gaskets on an '84 S10, which I haven't done since I worked on FWD GM cars. You may also want to ask this question of the XJ list (where I'm forwarding this to) Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com wrote: =A0=A0Here is a quick question for you guys> I'm currently eyeing up a 85-86?? Wagoneer, the problem is the engine is blown. I also am being told by the garage the it's a V-6. The question is can I put a V-8 in it????? Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Stop the Chemtrails! My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: new V8 Holley Projection FI system on eBay a new listing on eBay: Holley Projection/Fuel Injection Unit eBay Auction Item: #165912568 Auction Area: Miscellaneous:Automotive:General Vehicles:Parts Starts at $500.00 Quantity 1 # of bids 0 Location =A0 Alabama Started =A0 =A0 09/16/99, 19:19:47 PDT Ends =A0 =A0 =A0 09/21/99, 19:19:47 PDT Seller =A0 =A0 =A0 friarfly (15) Description: This unit is just what you need if you're building a hot rod and want the benefits of fuel injection.This is a stand alone unit with everything needed to set up your engine.This item is new never installed and will fit AMC/JEEP 304-360,CHRYS 318-360,and GM 301-350.This system is designed for carbureted,non- computerized V-8 vehicles.The special 2-barrel TBI used in this system can flow up to 670 CFM at 1.5 inches of vacuum. this unit can satisfy the fuel requirements of a 320 hp engine.M.O.s or cashiers check only. Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Stop the Chemtrails! My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:51:36 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: wagoneer At 09:57 AM 9/18/99 EDT, you wrote: > Here is a quick question for you guys> I'm currently eyeing up a 85-86?? >Wagoneer, the problem is the engine is blown. I also am being told by the >garage the it's a V-6. The question is can I put a V-8 in it????? If the "Wagoneer" you're talking about is a GRAND Wagoneer, it does NOT have a V6, unless it's the one I installed in my 67... :) rofl... Otherwise, it's an XJ wagoneer, not an f SJ Wagoneer, and it can be done, but with much pain and suffering and cutting. My recommendation on it is to have that crappy little chevy 2.8L piece of scrap metal replaced with the AMC 2.5L I-4 cylinder out of a late model year 86 so you get the TBI. Otherwise, run from it, quickly... They only XJ's you want to consider would have the 4.0L I-6, or maybe the 2.5L if the deal is good. Steer a wide range away from the 2.8L v6. If you find a little wagoneer with the 2.1L all-aluminum turbo Diesel, let me know. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:53:52 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 'New' '87 GW I just test drove a 90 GW with bad paint in South Everett... $5988 it had to have had the 3.31's... it moved out faster than Old Blue did with the 4v and open exhaust... it felt great. :) of course it'd be a lot cheaper for you to change your R&P and carriers. you don't need to change your entire axles... both the 84 and 87 will have the dana44f, the rear may be different... john At 09:09 AM 9/18/99 -0700, Allan Weidenheimer wrote: >Well, I was looking over the new GW the other night, it has those nasty >2.72 ratio axles. I guess that means it doesn't have the towing setup. >My 84 brochure indicates the towing setup got the 3.31's (as I recall) >and the non lockup transmission. This would also explain the poor >acceleration, man, what a dog. I wish I could swap the 84 axles to it, >but I suspect the front axle is bent. > >Today I plan to try and get the right front wheel off the '84. The rim >bent when the tire popped, and then it continued turning until it bound >on the caliper. I plan to put a chain through the slots, and hook it to >my IHC pickup, then give it a good 'tug'. I hope my new caliper on >there isn't ruined too. > >Allan Weidenheimer >87 GW >84 GW (wrecked) > > - ------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:02:23 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: '77 Wagoneer and 300SDs and carbs I'd just get the edelbrock performer manifold and the 1406 carb. I'll sell you my 1406 for $175... it's in the box... pO used it two weeks while getting his rebuilt... I can't use it until I buy a different rig... and I'd rather Diesel anyways... :) haven't seen the 300SD, rather than scrap it if it's rough, I'll put it on a Wagoneer chassis and have some fun... always wanted to do it... for $350 why not? THe engine/trans will be used in Fritz... saving me about $3000 over buying the parts in a yard! tranny alone used sells for $775, engine over $2250... this will give me a turbo in Fritz. :) I may look for a wrecked 80 and up GW for the chassis, or even a J10 chassis... the benz is 205 inches long with a 112.5 inch wb... john At 02:11 AM 9/18/99 EDT, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/17/1999 10:29:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >john-at-wagoneers.com(WAstatenospam) writes: > >> do you have the factory 4v? or 2v? > >factory 4v intake from a '74? Javelin that I bought from Jim Blair waiting in >the wings until I get this carb thing sorted out. Currently the factory 2100 >sits on the stock 2v intake. > >> if you have the 2v and you're trying to put a 4v on, yes >> there are adapters that will work. > >Not what I wanna do. > >> If you have the factory 4v like I do, there is not an adapter >> to mate the edelbrock to it... :( > >So how is everybody using an Edelbrock? Are they all using Edelbrock intakes? > >> is that what you're asking??? :) > >I guess it is. When I was in Maine in June I looked at a buddy's '77 wearing >an Edelbrock. He had an aluminum adapter under it that looked like a Q-jet >to square bore adapter but I don't remeber it hanging over the intake flange >as a Q-jet would do. When he pulled the intake off a '74 Chero it was >wearing a huge Holley double pumper. I helped him snag that manifold and >carb in '91 or so and I don't remember any adapter under it either. My >objection to the Motorcraft 4350 or a Holley look-alike is that rebuild kits >for the 4350 are $90 and everyone tells me that the 4350 was unreliable and >finicky anyway. > >> btw, the Benz on an FSJ project is going momentum in my mind... it's >> doable... I'm picking up a 300SD for $350!!! The motor and trans if >> good are going into Fritz... the hulk on top of the 77 wag chassis... :) > >Sounds cool but I'm not clear on why you wanna but the Benz body on the '77. >Is there something to be gained or do you just want a funky ride? > >> or if the 79 300SD is in any kind of shape, it'll get fritz's old engine >> and trans and get sold for a fair price... :) > > >Ben > - ------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:55:15 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: wagoneer At 01:36 PM 9/18/99 EDT, Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com wrote: > The only reason why I am considering it is that I currently have two running >V-8 360s. I think it is a grand Wagoneer because it's the full size from >what I can see> I'll keep my eyes peeled for you. > Joe a quick test is to look underneath... if it's got leaf springs in front it's a Grand type, SJ, Wagoneer... If it's got coils and a V6 either buy it for real cheap or run quickly away. john - ------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: FWD: Selling my '79 Wagoneer Forward: carlovrmpls-at-hotmail.com (jim=A0bielicki) Hello to everyone on the list from Minneapolis, MN. Lately I've been playing catch-up with all the Digests, but the topics and discussions are as always very good. I have decided to sell my '79 Wagoneer and want to give list members first chance at at. This was my first 4x4/FSJ which I bought from the original (85 year old at the time) owner in June '95. It had approx. 60,300 miles, now has just under 74M. Some things have been replaced on it, of course in my 4 yr ownership. It has QT w/ low gear, buckets w/armrest, a/c, cruise, tilt, r defog, p tailgate, tint glass; I added a class 3 hitch which I've never used. It was rustproofed new but that didn't stop the tinworm from getting at the quarters & rockers, the body is fairly decent, the cloth int. is in great shape (tan ext. with short woodgrain, copper int). Runs great. I can supply full details, please contact me off the list. Thanks, Jim Bielicki =A0 =A0 e-mail: carlovrmpls-at-hotmail.com '79 Wagoneer '86 GW Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Stop the Chemtrails! My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: '77 Wagoneer and 300SDs and carbs A: I'll have Elmo off his present frame in about a month. It'll be available then with the stock springs. I sort of figured who was saying what: I'd just get the edelbrock performer manifold and the 1406 carb. I'll sell you my 1406 for $175... it's in the box... pO used it two weeks while getting his rebuilt... I can't use it until I buy a different rig... and I'd rather Diesel anyways... :) haven't seen the 300SD, rather than scrap it if it's rough, I'll put it on a Wagoneer chassis and have some fun... always wanted to do it... for $350 why not? THe engine/trans will be used in Fritz... saving me about $3000 over buying the parts in a yard! tranny alone used sells for $775, engine over $2250... this will give me a turbo in Fritz. :) I may look for a wrecked 80 and up GW for the chassis, or even a J10 chassis... the benz is 205 inches long with a 112.5 inch wb... john At 02:11 AM 9/18/99 EDT, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/17/1999 10:29:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john-at-wagoneers.com(WAstatenospam) writes: do you have the factory 4v? or 2v? factory 4v intake from a '74? Javelin that I bought from Jim Blair waiting in the wings until I get this carb thing sorted out. Currently the factory 2100 sits on the stock 2v intake. =A0=A0=A0=A0if you have the 2v and you're trying to put a 4v on, yes there are adapters that will work. Not what I wanna do. =A0=A0=A0=A0If you have the factory 4v like I do, there is not an adapter to mate the edelbrock to it... :( So how is everybody using an Edelbrock? Are they all using Edelbrock intakes? =A0=A0=A0=A0is that what you're asking??? :) I guess it is. When I was in Maine in June I looked at a buddy's '77 wearing an Edelbrock. He had an aluminum adapter under it that looked like a Q-jet to square bore adapter but I don't remeber it hanging over the intake flange as a Q-jet would do. When he pulled the intake off a '74 Chero it was wearing a huge Holley double pumper. I helped him snag that manifold and carb in '91 or so and I don't remember any adapter under it either. My objection to the Motorcraft 4350 or a Holley look-alike is that rebuild kits for the 4350 are $90 and everyone tells me that the 4350 was unreliable and finicky anyway. =A0=A0=A0=A0btw, the Benz on an FSJ project is going momentum in my mind... it's doable... I'm picking up a 300SD for $350!!! The motor and trans if good are going into Fritz... the hulk on top of the 77 wag chassis... :) Sounds cool but I'm not clear on why you wanna but the Benz body on the '77. Is there something to be gained or do you just want a funky ride? =A0=A0=A0=A0or if the 79 300SD is in any kind of shape, it'll get fritz's old engine and trans and get sold for a fair price... :) Ben - ---------------- Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Stop the Chemtrails! My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:30:16 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 300SD on an FSJ, Diesel of course... At 11:13 AM 9/18/99 -0700, James Blair wrote: >A: I'll have Elmo off his present frame in about a month. It'll be >available then with the stock springs. serious... what about the axles? I need axles... matched pair late model... 3.31, 2.72, 3.54's are all ok... Even xj type axles would be ok. The idea is to put the 79 300SD body on the SJ frame, late model axles would allow me to use a New Process or New Venture xfr case. Since it'll be registered as a 79 300SD DIESEL, I'll be able to legally stuff a 6.2L or 6.5L Diesel into it. Since the GM Diesels are later models, AND Jeep's used GM engines, I can argue the transplant even with the CARB in CA if I had to. :) Shouldn't be a problem. This could be a cool way to have a custom FSJ without tailgate problems, my Diesel, a Benz... all at once. :) Imagine me pulling up to Ouray in 2002 with this setup riding on 33x9.5's MT's... Diesel rattling nicely at an idle, while I sit in air conditioned comfort, sunroof open enjoying the view... Of course if we go off road I'll be dragging my tail worse than an FSJ... :) 205 inches of total length vs. 186.4! I'll use 3 inch body lift blocks to mount the body, and go with about 3 to 4 inches of spring lift. The engine will sit down in the frame, will use the stock fuel tank as an auxillary, no wait, primary, the fuel tank in the benz as an auxillary!!! That way I can just operate a petcock to dump 21 gallons into the primary from above... :) The only problem is where to put a spare... If I use my auxillary tank from the 77 I won't be able to put it underneath... Wait... I should sell the 77 intact, it's too nice to trash, especially since James will have a good frame for me to use. I'll just need to find some axles. Worst case scenario is I'll use the 4.0L/aw4 and np231 or np242... Or, my 300D motor... it puts out plenty of torque... oh, the options are plentiful.... Let's see I've got two years to do it... might happen... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 300SD on an FSJ, Diesel of course... A: The rear axle will be there, albeit the gears are badly worn and noisy. The front will depend on Alan and I working out a deal or not on his '88 rear axle 2.72 and possibly bent '84 front 3.31 and my straight '84 front axle 3.31. If nothing comes of it, I'll be putting the '84 housing into the front (sans gears) with my '83's old brakes (left rotor is kapuckey from DSPO driving metal on metal) I wrote: I'll have Elmo off his present frame in about a month. It'll be available then with the stock springs. serious... what about the axles? (snip) some axles. Worst case scenario is I'll use the 4.0L/aw4 and np231 or np242... Or, my 300D motor... it puts out plenty of torque... oh, the options are plentiful.... Let's see I've got two years to do it... might happen... :) john Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Stop the Chemtrails! My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 300SD on an FSJ, Diesel of course... Crap! My wife just informed me that she is having a change of employment. My money from the sale of my '66 Fairlane is now going on bills instead of fixing up my Jeep! Crap, crap crap! She said once I get the Eagle running, we can sell her car and use that money. It don't work that way though! I have to put money in to get it all running! Crap, crap, crap! Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Stop the Chemtrails! My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:12:44 EDT From: Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: (no subject) O.K. guys, my 81 Wagoneer idles nicely when it's first started, but the when it warms up it idles really rough (almost to the point of stalling) Any ideas????? I also noticed that the fuel line from the pump feels like it's knocking. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:38:30 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: (no subject) vaccum problem. check the lines going from the thermal switches and air cleaner... better yet, replace ALL vacuum lines under the hood... that's what made my 81 run a lot better .:) john At 03:12 PM 9/18/99 EDT, Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com wrote: >O.K. guys, my 81 Wagoneer idles nicely when it's first started, but the when >it warms up it idles really rough (almost to the point of stalling) Any >ideas????? I also noticed that the fuel line from the pump feels like it's >knocking. > - ------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:41:04 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 112.5 inches... leaf springs can provide an excellent ride if configured properly... Old Blue had a ride very similar to Fritz. thin leaves, lots of 'em, with the nylon pads coated with amsoil synthetic grease... works great. :) for me I couldn't use anything but an FSJ (sj model) Jeep frame and driveline. :) rovers are nice, but I'm a jeep / benz guy... :) I've got access to lots of old Wagoneer stuff... :) john At 12:08 PM 9/18/99 -0700, rockmage wrote: >Hi John - > I'm just amused by the number of 'Benz's' that are starting to show up off >road. Start with my Rover / 240D hybrid, there's 2 later Rovers, one with a >300D, and one with a 300TD engine in New York, and a number across europe. - >The 115 body on Toyota chassis is the first Benz BODY I've seen used though - >FWIW, I'd go with something a bit more modern than a leaf sprung chassis, if >using the MB bodywork.(try to preserve SOME of the ride/handling at least) > If you get REALLY lucky, you might locate a Land Rover 109", or 110" >wheelbase truck. (the standard long wheel base lengths, for Rovers) The 110 >would offer you 4 wheel coil suspension, 4 wheel disk brakes, and an easy frame >to work from. The 2" difference would be extremely easy to dial out - Rover >frames are fully Boxed,and made from welded panels - A tinkerers dream. If you >do end up heading that way, let me know - one of my parts guys buys military >surplus, and can most likely get you a complete, good condition 110" >frame/running gear for a reasonable price. ( like maybe $1000 canadian ) > >Have fun with it - maybe I'll see you in the hills some time :^D > >Chris >Calgary, Alberta, Canada > >______________________________________________________ >Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com >Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting >cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com > > - ------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Washington has laws prohibiting unsolicited commercial email, aka: SPAM. $500 per message. I report abuse. - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #554 *************************