From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 19 14:57:16 1999 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, October 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 583 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: another adventure... Re: fsj: another adventure... fsj: Re: Diagnosis Re: fsj: another adventure... fsj: Re: carparts.com fsj: twisted metal Re: fsj: twisted metal Re: fsj: re: gears and stuff Re: fsj: re: gears and stuff fsj: Re: a question. Re: fsj: re: gears and stuff Re: fsj: Re: a question. Re: fsj: Re: a question. Re: fsj: re: gears and stuff fsj: Lookin' to Get Hitched FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:39:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: another adventure... No, I wasn't in the loop -- I bought the rear spings off the rig and they are still in my garage! I don't know what rear springs Greg is using or where they came from -- just the front springs. - -brad John writes: > so YOU were in the loop too? :) > > so it was Brad, Fred, John, Greg, and now James??? > > WHO's NEXT???? :-) > > john > > At 09:15 AM 10/18/99 -0700, Brad Seevers wrote: > > > >Ya, the front springs came off of a late 70s cherokee at Beaverton Light > Truck. > >I bought the rear springs at the same time. > > > >-brad > > > >John writes: > > > >> let's see... the springs started out with Fredric down in Portland. > >> I bought 'em, took 'em up here to Snohomish. Then Greg bought 'em and > >> brought 'em back to Portland... now James is gonna bring 'em back up > here... > >> > >> Greg, didn't you have more info on where Fred got 'em, or was that Brad? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: another adventure... I don't know what I'm going to do with the springs (4 inch Trailmaster JP-25). I've got the original front springs from my wag that I may put back on...don't know. I've got 4 inch blocks in the rear with my original springs. If I get a different FSJ (new GW), I might put a 2-3 inch lift on. If so, they would be soft springs. Even though the trailmaster are softer than my 3 inch Ranchos, they are not as soft as my original springs. I'd like to keep the trailmasters on and rotate the pumpkin, but I've been quoted ~>$500 for the job. Right now, I'd really like positive castor...now, I'm probably negative by ~4 degrees with the wedges installed for minimal driveline u-joint angle. Yes, these springs have been around... I'll keep you all posted so you could be the next... Greg Lox '79 Wag Portland,OR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Diagnosis On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, mike parris wrote: >-->John, >-->Have a 91 GW with 41,000 miles (orig). When driving along suddenly the >-->engine shuts >-->down. Am able to restart after stopping. Sometimes it starts up again >-->while coasting >-->(without engaging starter). New fuel filter installed, no remedy. What >-->do you think? >-->Mike sounds like it might be a vapor lock type issue... try rerouting your fuel line and filter a bit, or wrapping the lines. It could also be an electronic ignition module problem... ====================================================================================== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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(spam is unsolicitied commercial email.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: another adventure... A: You have 4" blocks instead of springs in the back? Too bad. I only want to go springs all around! That's why I turned down a 3" Rough Country set for $200 because it was only rear blocks. (Greg=A0Loxtercamp) I don't know what I'm going to do with the springs (4 inch Trailmaster JP-25). I've got the original front springs from my wag that I may put back on...don't know. I've got 4 inch blocks in the rear with my original springs. If I get a different FSJ (new GW), I might put a 2-3 inch lift on. If so, they would be soft springs. Even though the trailmaster are softer than my 3 inch Ranchos, they are not as soft as my original springs. I'd like to keep the trailmasters on and rotate the pumpkin, but I've been quoted ~>$500 for the job. Right now, I'd really like positive castor...now, I'm probably negative by ~4 degrees with the wedges installed for minimal driveline u-joint angle. Yes, these springs have been around... I'll keep you all posted so you could be the next... Greg Lox '79 Wag Portland,OR Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: carparts.com I just got an email that says carparts.com is going to sell used and rebuilt parts now too! I also got a virtual coupon for $30 off my next order over $100. Re: Exciting New Features & A Special Savings Coupon from CarParts.com! Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:06:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: twisted metal Who around the Seattle area can realign the diff angle by twisting the tubes on a dana 44 front axle for a reasonable price? Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: twisted metal drivelines NW? ask Benz Springs, they'd know for sure... not far from your place. john On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, James Blair wrote: >-->Who around the Seattle area can realign the diff angle by twisting the >-->tubes on a dana 44 front axle for a reasonable price? >--> >-->Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: >-->http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: >-->http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA NOTE: Washington State has anti-spam laws: $500 per occurrence. (spam is unsolicitied commercial email.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:55:27 -0700 From: Pat Hines Subject: Re: fsj: re: gears and stuff James Blair wrote: > > Oops! I goofed on the Eagle rear axles! They are Dana 35 non-clips > (model 15), not Dana 30s > > Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: > http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false Same reference; Dana 35 low case 3.07 & 3.31, high case 3.55, 3.73, 4.11, & 4.56. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:38:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: re: gears and stuff I wrote: Oops! I goofed on the Eagle rear axles! They are Dana 35 non-clips (model 15), not Dana 30s Pat wrote: Same reference; Dana 35 low case 3.07 & 3.31, high case 3.55, 3.73, 4.11, & 4.56. Pat A: The problem is that the Dana 30 front axle uses a different carrier for the 2.72 and 3.08 from the 2.35 gears I have now. Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:51:41 EDT From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: a question. On Sun, 17 Oct, john asked: > So, would XJ readers be interested in old SJ's, > and would (f)SJ readers be interested in XJ's? Maybe; but it might be a better idea to have two small books out, rather than one big one. That way, those who just aren't interested in the one or the other can have what they want, and those who are interested in both will go ahead and buy both. ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ Wagoneering in Las Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:57:21 -0700 From: Pat Hines Subject: Re: fsj: re: gears and stuff James Blair wrote: > > I wrote: > Oops! I goofed on the Eagle rear axles! They are Dana 35 non-clips > (model 15), not Dana 30s > > Pat wrote: > Same reference; Dana 35 low case 3.07 & 3.31, high case 3.55, 3.73, > 4.11, & 4.56. > Pat > > A: The problem is that the Dana 30 front axle uses a different carrier > for the 2.72 and 3.08 from the 2.35 gears I have now. What are the ring tooth count and the pinion tooth count? Should be on the diff tag. A 2.35 to one gear set would be one of the lowest I've heard of, considering the engine power of that model. Pat Hines ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:58:03 -0700 From: Thunderbird Subject: Re: fsj: Re: a question. OrigamiTB-at-aol.com wrote: > On Sun, 17 Oct, john asked: > > > So, would XJ readers be interested in old SJ's, > > and would (f)SJ readers be interested in XJ's? > > Maybe; but it might be a better idea to have two small books out, > rather than one big one. That way, those who just aren't interested > in the one or the other can have what they want, and those who > are interested in both will go ahead and buy both. I agree, but also include a cross reference for interchangable parts. Including all parts sources. Brian 78 J10-4 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 ThunderbirdLX 4.6 V8/Sport Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1) Those who fear and distrust the people 2) Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe...depository of the public interest. - -- Thomas Jefferson ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:39:34 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: a question. At 07:58 PM 10/18/99 -0700, Thunderbird wrote: >OrigamiTB-at-aol.com wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Oct, john asked: > > > > > So, would XJ readers be interested in old SJ's, > > > and would (f)SJ readers be interested in XJ's? > > > > Maybe; but it might be a better idea to have two small books out, > > rather than one big one. That way, those who just aren't interested > > in the one or the other can have what they want, and those who > > are interested in both will go ahead and buy both. > >I agree, but also include a cross reference for interchangable parts. >Including all parts sources. the only parts I've found to be interchangeable between my SJ and my XJ has been the U-joints. and maybe light bulbs... :) for a few years the NP229 was used in both, but the spline count may have been different. no common engines or trans... I'll think some more about it... but the U-joints are all I've found after 15 or so Jeeps, mixed between FSJ and Xj... :) john > >Brian >78 J10-4 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 >97 ThunderbirdLX 4.6 V8/Sport > >Men by their constitutions are naturally >divided into two parties: >1) Those who fear and distrust the people >2) Those who identify themselves with the >people, have confidence in them, cherish >and consider them as the most honest and >safe...depository of the public interest. >-- Thomas Jefferson > > >______________________________________________________ >Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com >Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting >cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com > > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: re: gears and stuff The problem is that the Dana 30 front axle uses a different carrier for the 2.72 and 3.08 from the 2.35 gears I have now. Pat wrote: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0What are the ring tooth count and the pinion tooth count? A: I counted them but forgot. Should be on the diff tag. A: The Eagle rear axles only got a letter stamp, the same as the earlier AMC cars. A 2.35 to one gear set would be one of the lowest I've heard of, considering the engine power of that model. A: The Eagle's 6 cyl has plenty of power! The 4.2L is in my full size Cherokee now, and with the 2.72 gears it still hauls -at-$$ and pulls a 3 ton trailer no problem. At 20 mpg, I'm sure not complaining! Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:35:45 -0400 From: "toboggan hill farm" Subject: fsj: Lookin' to Get Hitched I'm in the Gettysburg, PA and am looking for a trailer hitch (class 3) for my '83 Wagoneer. I also need a radiator in good condition. My parsimonious nature forbids me from buying new, and the yards around here don't seem to have anything for a Wagoneer. If you can help me at a reasonable price, please let me know. Thanks. Brett ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #583 *************************